Warning if your about to cruise on Coral.

[OzKiwiJJ]

47 minutes ago, vozzie said:

Are you all aware that there's around 5000 new Covid cases in QLD a day? Where do you think they are coming from...corn flakes packets? No...they are coming from people going to work, going to the shops, flying on aircraft, catching a train, getting pissed at the pub or going to the footy. Is the media asking us not to frequent those places? How does a few managed cases on a cruise ship attract so much attention?

Because the media likes to beat up cruise ships. They still have this outdated attitude that cruising is only for the rich, instead of understanding it's one of the most affordable holidays, and where you don't have to do any chores. 

[MicCanberra]

I don't know how this will go but Princess and the government  need to sort this out before people start dying or the cruise industry here is dead.

[Aus Traveller]

22 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

I don't know how this will go but Princess and the government  need to sort this out before people start dying or the cruise industry here is dead.

Deaths from COVID are less likely now that people are fully vaccinated, compared with the Ruby debacle at the start of the pandemic when no-one was vaccinated. I have read that experts say that the original variant of COVID was more lethal than the present ones.

[Aussieflyer]

3 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said:

Deaths from COVID are less likely now that people are fully vaccinated, compared with the Ruby debacle at the start of the pandemic when no-one was vaccinated. I have read that experts say that the original variant of COVID was more lethal than the present ones.

However, by the end of January 4000 Australians had died of COVID since the pandemic began. At the beginning of July the total number of dead had grown to 10,000. With the new immunity-evading BA.4 and BA.5 variants, this is set to worsen still. 

[arxcards]

2 hours ago, vozzie said:

Are you all aware that there's around 5000 new Covid cases in QLD a day? Where do you think they are coming from...corn flakes packets? No...they are coming from people going to work, going to the shops, flying on aircraft, catching a train, getting pissed at the pub or going to the footy. Is the media asking us not to frequent those places? How does a few managed cases on a cruise ship attract so much attention?

Unless they want to go back to their pedantic contact tracing, you could become infected and not be sure where you caught it from out of all those places you visited on the previous few days. So it is everywhere, and not attention seeking. In the early days of all the tracing, there was the security guy in Melbourne offering favours for quarantine leniency, in Sydney the limo driver of overseas flight crews that thought masks were dumb, and the Brisbane nurse - all of these got all but named and shamed, as they were targets that could be blamed.

 

So an international cruise ship rocks into Brisbane, and reports health numbers to gain clearance to the port, as they have long been required to. Those numbers are tangible, and regardless of where they were initially contracted, the ship is a target because of those reported numbers. In a sense, the protocols have tried to manage this, as specific numbers have not been publicly reported. If the press had anything more than "elevated cases in crew" to work with, they would indeed be running to the typewriters with every arrival.

 

For each one of us that cruise, there are more than 10 than don't. Of those 10, there would be 3 that would jump up & down about how disease festers on these ships. Mind you, they would be also jumping up and down about planes, gyms, pubs, nightclubs, schools - all the things they don't do.

Edited July 11, 2022 by arxcards

[MicCanberra]

56 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said:

Deaths from COVID are less likely now that people are fully vaccinated, compared with the Ruby debacle at the start of the pandemic when no-one was vaccinated. I have read that experts say that the original variant of COVID was more lethal than the present ones.

But people are still dying and the cruise industry  will be blamed if they can link it to a cruise.

[Cbtours]

Just now, MicCanberra said:

But people are still dying and the cruise industry  will be blamed

😩

[MMDown Under]

5 hours ago, arxcards said:

I just found it helpful to listen to her response on the ABC radio grab. I haven't been able to find a radio link.

 

Protocols are based around these.

https://www.dtis.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/1615610/eastern-seaboard-cruise-protocols.pdf

Thank you for the link.  I don't listen to ABC radio and didn't hear it on ABC TV news.

[pully8]

Reading with interest. Hopefully no one becomes seriously ill.

People keen on cruising again will want to know how outbreaks are being handled, given the recent history.

Accuracy and transparency are key for people to have confidence around risks and safety. 

We know how stretched the health system is at present and most have done all they can to be safe. 

Given how social cruising is and people enjoy eating and drinking masks cannot be worn all the time. 

It is how outbreaks are handled that will assist with personal decisions.

Offloaded? Confined to cabins? Assistance when cruise cancelled? 

Is there a website that shows the health status of cruise ships?   

 

[bazzaw]

4 hours ago, Aussieflyer said:

However, by the end of January 4000 Australians had died of COVID since the pandemic began. 

Every day, the Qld Health Department publishes Covid data on Facebook. This includes Deaths. BUT - if you read the fine print you will find that these people did indeed test positive to Covid in the time before death - but theDept  openly states that the most they can say about these people is that they died WITH Covid. The causes of Death can be multiple - and for an elderly, unfit, obese person who has a heart condition, high BP, cancer, diabetes, etc, etc , then indeed getting Covid may push them over the edge. I have a 90yo friend who has/had cancer, a dicky heart valve that needs replacing for the second time - but who is also very fit, active and not overweight - he also recently tested positive for Covid but he was fully vaccinated and the virus was little more than a nuisance for him ( like a common cold is!!) 

[Mikamarii]

58 minutes ago, bazzaw said:

 if you read the fine print you will find that these people did indeed test positive to Covid in the time before death - but theDept  openly states that the most they can say about these people is that they died WITH Covid. 

This same thing came out here with our hospitals at the very end of 2021 which sparked changes. We were told every day the deaths and it sounded horrific. But what was finally admitted was that terminal or severely unhealthy people were being transferred to the icu and because their immune systems were virtually nothing they’d contract the virus shortly before dying. They estimated upwards of 50% of deaths were due to this. What really sparked outrage was when our childrens hospital reported a death of a terminally Ill 11 year old died of Covid when she had been suffering from a brain tumour. Parents were outraged that they had to deal with a media blitz for this false reporting.

 

its not to minimize death. Death is tragic and unfortunate especially when preventable.  But as you said the risks are different based on your health, for some of whom, ignored it and the latest thing pushed them over the edge. But people aren’t protesting fast food chains or convenience stores that sell cigarettes. 

 

 

[Tikibird]

5 hours ago, pully8 said:

Reading with interest. Hopefully no one becomes seriously ill.

People keen on cruising again will want to know how outbreaks are being handled, given the recent history.

Accuracy and transparency are key for people to have confidence around risks and safety. 

We know how stretched the health system is at present and most have done all they can to be safe. 

Given how social cruising is and people enjoy eating and drinking masks cannot be worn all the time. 

It is how outbreaks are handled that will assist with personal decisions.

Offloaded? Confined to cabins? Assistance when cruise cancelled? 

Is there a website that shows the health status of cruise ships?   

 

My biggest concern is how ports will handle outbreaks.  I don't want to board a PNG cruise and then have it all for nothing if PNG refuses to let passengers disembark because there are cases aboard the ship. 

[arxcards]

6 hours ago, pully8 said:

Reading with interest. Hopefully no one becomes seriously ill.

People keen on cruising again will want to know how outbreaks are being handled, given the recent history.

Accuracy and transparency are key for people to have confidence around risks and safety. 

We know how stretched the health system is at present and most have done all they can to be safe. 

Given how social cruising is and people enjoy eating and drinking masks cannot be worn all the time. 

It is how outbreaks are handled that will assist with personal decisions.

Offloaded? Confined to cabins? Assistance when cruise cancelled? 

Is there a website that shows the health status of cruise ships?   

 

For NSW, yes there is a status page. QLD has the same protocols, but doesn't have a status page. The NSW page is carrying the info for Coral Princess as well. I don't know if that is because her next stop is a NSW port, or if they will list all ships on the East Coast. Pacific Explorer is currently yellow (0.3 to 3%) and Coral Princess is amber (3 to 10%)

 

Cruising and COVID-19 | NSW Government

 

 

 

[NSWP]

3 hours ago, Tikibird said:

My biggest concern is how ports will handle outbreaks.  I don't want to board a PNG cruise and then have it all for nothing if PNG refuses to let passengers disembark because there are cases aboard the ship. 

Likewise Eden today, the local populace might not be too happy with even a few covid pax and crew who are concealing the lurgy landing. Some anyway.

Edited July 11, 2022 by NSWP

[arxcards]

2 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Likewise Eden today, the local populace might not be too happy, some anyway.

Approaching the wharf now.

 

[OzKiwiJJ]

16 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Likewise Eden today, the local populace might not be too happy with even a few covid pax and crew who are concealing the lurgy landing. Some anyway.

Someone has just reported on FB that anyone going ashore in Eden requires a negative RAT.

[Cbtours]

Just now, OzKiwiJJ said:

Someone has just reported on FB that anyone going ashore in Eden requires a negative RAT.

Yet considering how many keep referring to rat showing negative when they were positive etc will it really be useful? 
Also given you don’t need to do a test for flying into Australia now.

[OzKiwiJJ]

20 minutes ago, Cbtours said:

Yet considering how many keep referring to rat showing negative when they were positive etc will it really be useful? 
Also given you don’t need to do a test for flying into Australia now.

It's better than no test at all, I guess. At least it could identify some positive cases.

[Pobman]

3 hours ago, arxcards said:

I don't know if that is because her next stop is a NSW port, or if they will list all ships on the East Coast. Pacific Explorer is currently yellow (0.3 to 3%) and Coral Princess is amber (3 to 10%)

 

Cruising and COVID-19 | NSW Government

 

 

 

 

Probably is because of the NSW visit, as it was not on that page before.

[Cbtours]

20 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

It's better than no test at all, I guess. At least it could identify some positive cases.

Agree totally, but given the histrory, just producing negative rat won’t necessarily stop spread 😩 and worse still, the negative reporting

[OzKiwiJJ]

42 minutes ago, Cbtours said:

Agree totally, but given the histrory, just producing negative rat won’t necessarily stop spread 😩 and worse still, the negative reporting

True.

 

I wish there was some way media outlets could be made accountable for false reporting. They get away with far too much these days.

[Cbtours]

1 minute ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

True.

 

I wish there was some way media outlets could be made accountable for false reporting. They get away with far too much these days.

So true

[pully8]

Thankfully we have moved on from the individual states guarding their borders and hospitals. Memorable comments from a premier at the time wanting to restrict hospitals for state use only, which would be tricky if an unfortunate interstate person needed admission.

Hopefully the new protocols have sorted all that out, albeit hospital care seems less necessary now with current treatments.

The mantra at present is cruise/travel with confidence, what will be will be.

Personal responsibility, health/travel insurance and all will be well.

Much as things were pre pandemic.  

[pully8]

3 minutes ago, Cbtours said:

So true

Accurate reporting is essential especially with health issues.

Sometimes with cruising and travel we have found great value from other people who are living the experiences, on board reporting on forums like this.

Especially when major issues disrupted travel on european river cruises, high low water. Getting factual current info from providers or travel agents was not always timely. 

[Cbtours]

9 minutes ago, pully8 said:

Thankfully we have moved on from the individual states guarding their borders and hospitals. Memorable comments from a premier at the time wanting to restrict hospitals for state use only, which would be tricky if an unfortunate interstate person needed admission.

Hopefully the new protocols have sorted all that out, albeit hospital care seems less necessary now with current treatments.

The mantra at present is cruise/travel with confidence, what will be will be.

Personal responsibility, health/travel insurance and all will be well.

Much as things were pre pandemic.  

And I don’t think they can go back to mass closures and restrictions otherwise they would be admitting that the mandates re vaccine that was pushed “to stop serious effects” would be considered null and void????. Saying that we had no problem getting vaccinated cos we wanted to travel!