Trying to Understand this detail from the New Program Your World Included.

[ORV]

The updated inclusions will begin on bookings made on or after October 1, 2024, for all new reservations on sailings departing on or after January 1, 2025. 

 

Ok, What happens if I book a cruise on Oct 2, 2024 that sails on Dec 5, 2024 or any date between then and Dec 31st 2024?

 

Maybe I'm missing something simple, but I'm not getting this. 

[PhD-iva]

Per the above statement in the example you have given, Simply More policies would still control.

[AMHuntFerry]

I read it the same way as PhD-iva.

[cruiserchuck]

The press release issued by Oceania states that 

 

"The line's current simply MORE™ offering will end on September 30, 2024, meaning that a shore excursion credit and beverage package will no longer be automatically included."

 

To me, this indicates that you will not get the Simply More benefits if you book after September 30.  However, this obviously could change, and I suspect Oceania may have some new promotion starting October 1 for cruises departing before December 31. 

[PhD-iva]

@Jancruz, your expertise is requested! Thx!

[basor]

7 minutes ago, cruiserchuck said:

The press release issued by Oceania states that 

 

"The line's current simply MORE™ offering will end on September 30, 2024, meaning that a shore excursion credit and beverage package will no longer be automatically included."

 

To me, this indicates that you will not get the Simply More benefits if you book after September 30.  However, this obviously could change, and I suspect Oceania may have some new promotion starting October 1 for cruises departing before December 31. 

you forgot to include "for cruises sailing after 01JAN 25"....

[ORV]

51 minutes ago, PhD-iva said:

Per the above statement in the example you have given, Simply More policies would still control.

Maybe I'm dense, but I don't see that. Is that a deduction since it doesn't specifically spell it out? 

[PhD-iva]

59 minutes ago, ORV said:

Maybe I'm dense, but I don't see that. Is that a deduction since it doesn't specifically spell it out? 

Hopefully JanCruz1will be able to expound on this question.
But, reading the hypothetical situation, both of the two conditions for Simply More to not apply have not been met.
Yes, the booking was made after October 1, however, the sailing date is not after January 1.

I hope that makes sense.

[ORV]

29 minutes ago, PhD-iva said:

Hopefully JanCruz1will be able to expound on this question.
But, reading the hypothetical situation, both of the two conditions for Simply More to not apply have not been met.
Yes, the booking was made after October 1, however, the sailing date is not after January 1.

I hope that makes sense.

Yes but, read what Cruiserchuck said. Simply More ends for bookings made after Sept 30th, 2024. I really think it's a grey area, would love to see someone report if they're in that situation. 

[PhD-iva]

9 minutes ago, ORV said:

Yes but, read what Cruiserchuck said. Simply More ends for bookings made after Sept 30th, 2024. I really think it's a grey area, would love to see someone report if they're in that situation. 

Read the announcement, I clipped a quote below.

”The updated inclusions will begin on October 1, 2024, for all new reservations on sailings departing on or after January 1, 2025.”

 

Two conditions for SM to not be applicable: purchased after 30 September AND sailing after 31 December.

 I hope this helps.

Edited September 23 by PhD-iva
Clarification

[PhD-iva]

1 minute ago, PhD-iva said:

Read the announcement, I clipped a quote below.

”The updated inclusions will begin on October 1, 2024, for all new reservations on sailings departing on or after January 1, 2025.”

 

Two conditions for SM to not be applicable: purchased after 30 September AND sailing after 31 December.

 I hope this helps.

And of course I’d love to hear from our resident expert! (@JanCruz1).

[AMHuntFerry]

11 minutes ago, ORV said:

Yes but, read what Cruiserchuck said. Simply More ends for bookings made after Sept 30th, 2024. I really think it's a grey area, would love to see someone report if they're in that situation. 

Or O might have some bare bones cruise only fares (no SM, no YWI) at fill-the-ship prices offered in silent sales or a public sale. The current flash sale seems to address a few Oct-Dec 2024 underfilled cruises. My December cruise that had oodles of empty cabins a few weeks into the summer sale was waitlisted by the end of the sale. There might be some opportunities if you're social schedule needs filling.

[PhD-iva]

6 minutes ago, AMHuntFerry said:

Or O might have some bare bones cruise only fares (no SM, no YWI) at fill-the-ship prices offered in silent sales or a public sale. The current flash sale seems to address a few Oct-Dec 2024 underfilled cruises. My December cruise that had oodles of empty cabins a few weeks into the summer sale was waitlisted by the end of the sale. There might be some opportunities if you're social schedule needs filling.

My social calendar ALWAYS needs filling!!! 😎

[ORV]

31 minutes ago, PhD-iva said:

Read the announcement, I clipped a quote below.

”The updated inclusions will begin on October 1, 2024, for all new reservations on sailings departing on or after January 1, 2025.”

 

Two conditions for SM to not be applicable: purchased after 30 September AND sailing after 31 December.

 I hope this helps.

I’m not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand. I see the first part of what you posted in post # 69 of the “No more Simply More” thread, but I’m not seeing the part that starts with “Two conditions”. Where does that come from?

 

But my question concerns sailings booked Oct 1 or after and sailing before Dec 31, 2024. The way this is written they get nothing. 

[shepherd really]

I didn't know there would be word problems on this Oceania quiz.  I do know that I have until the end of this month to change a reservation I made using an FCC or just ask for a refund.   I won't wait to change it after the rest of 2026 is released under the new Simply Less Added Value Experience, or SLAVE program.  

[PhD-iva]

12 minutes ago, ORV said:

I’m not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand. I see the first part of what you posted in post # 69 of the “No more Simply More” thread, but I’m not seeing the part that starts with “Two conditions”. Where does that come from?

 

But my question concerns sailings booked Oct 1 or after and sailing before Dec 31, 2024. The way this is written they get nothing. 

In your post, you identify the two conditions to which I refer.
1. Sailings booked October 1 or after.

2. Sailing before December 31, 2024 (although I think it’s more correct to say sailing AFTER).

I think I’ve done everything I can do to explain this to you. I’m sorry if I have not been clear.

[Jancruz]

3 hours ago, cruiserchuck said:

The press release issued by Oceania states that 

 

"The line's current simply MORE™ offering will end on September 30, 2024, meaning that a shore excursion credit and beverage package will no longer be automatically included."

 

To me, this indicates that you will not get the Simply More benefits if you book after September 30.  However, this obviously could change, and I suspect Oceania may have some new promotion starting October 1 for cruises departing before December 31. 

Correct a new Promo starts 10/1and Simply more is gone..

Jancruz1

Edited September 23 by Jancruz

[ORV]

35 minutes ago, PhD-iva said:

In your post, you identify the two conditions to which I refer.
1. Sailings booked October 1 or after.

2. Sailing before December 31, 2024 (although I think it’s more correct to say sailing AFTER).

I think I’ve done everything I can do to explain this to you. I’m sorry if I have not been clear.

So the second part is what you added. Ok, that makes sense. 
 

But I’m not asking anything about after Jan 1. Just cruises booked after Oct 1 and taken before Dec 31 2024. I’m pretty sure I’ve been clear on that from the first post. 
 

My position is these would get nothing in the way of perks. 
 

It still seems to me there are 90 days of cruises there that if booked after October 1st are in a grey area. Hopefully I’ve made my question more clear. 

[Redtravel]

It’s simple.  Same thing happened when Simply More was introduced.  We took 2 O cruises in 2024. One was booked before Simply More as cruise only.  We were offered to reprice to include simply more. We did cruise only.  It was a Vista Caribbean cruise. Not interested in excursions. Not a drinker. The other was booked with Simply More. There was no choice. It was in Europe. We took excursions. Included beer and wine wasn’t attractive. We usually book an Oceania Caribbean winter cruise.  When we looked to book for winter 2025, Simply More was the on.y way you could book Oceania. That was enough to turn us off. We booked on another line that doesn’t include excursions. I now notice flash sales for Caribbean cruises. Too little, too late.  Wondering what Oceania will become. It had a great product with Olife.  Hope new product works for everyone.

[ORV]

2 minutes ago, Redtravel said:

It’s simple.  Same thing happened when Simply More was introduced.  We took 2 O cruises in 2024. One was booked before Simply More as cruise only.  We were offered to reprice to include simply more. We did cruise only.  It was a Vista Caribbean cruise. Not interested in excursions. Not a drinker. The other was booked with Simply More. There was no choice. It was in Europe. We took excursions. Included beer and wine wasn’t attractive. We usually book an Oceania Caribbean winter cruise.  When we looked to book for winter 2025, Simply More was the on.y way you could book Oceania. That was enough to turn us off. We booked on another line that doesn’t include excursions. I now notice flash sales for Caribbean cruises. Too little, too late.  Wondering what Oceania will become. It had a great product with Olife.  Hope new product works for everyone.

I don’t understand what your post has to do with my question. ??

[Jancruz]

8 minutes ago, ORV said:

So the second part is what you added. Ok, that makes sense. 
 

But I’m not asking anything about after Jan 1. Just cruises booked after Oct 1 and taken before Dec 31 2024. I’m pretty sure I’ve been clear on that from the first post. 
 

My position is these would get nothing in the way of perks. 
 

It still seems to me there are 90 days of cruises there that if booked after October 1st are in a grey area. Hopefully I’ve made my question more clear. 

I dont know why they made it so complicated but the promo starting 10/1 is a good one every one should be happy but it is definitely NOT Simply More ..if you want wine or beer with lunch and dinner book by the 30th.

Orv I hope this helps miss you!!

We are going to have a fabulous trivia game this week, cant wait!!

Jancruz1

Edited September 23 by Jancruz
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[PhD-iva]

21 minutes ago, ORV said:

So the second part is what you added. Ok, that makes sense. 
 

But I’m not asking anything about after Jan 1. Just cruises booked after Oct 1 and taken before Dec 31 2024. I’m pretty sure I’ve been clear on that from the first post. 
 

My position is these would get nothing in the way of perks. 
 

It still seems to me there are 90 days of cruises there that if booked after October 1st are in a grey area. Hopefully I’ve made my question more clear. 

ORV, thank you for your post. Yes, I did understand how you stated the question.
From a logic perspective, both conditions must be met for simply more to not apply.

Perhaps if I avoided a double negative it might be easier to understand. Simply more applies until both of the conditions are met (condition 1 AND condition 2). Meaning, the new booking must be made after September 30 AND the cruise must embark after December 31. Until both conditions are met, simply more will apply.

I was hoping we would hear from @JanCruz1 ……

[PhD-iva]

51 minutes ago, Jancruz said:

Correct a new Promo starts 10/1and Simply more is gone..

Jancruz1

I guess I didn’t see this post. Not sure I agree…… but I will defer to the greater authority.

[AMHuntFerry]

26 minutes ago, PhD-iva said:

ORV, thank you for your post. Yes, I did understand how you stated the question.
From a logic perspective, both conditions must be met for simply more to not apply.

Perhaps if I avoided a double negative it might be easier to understand. Simply more applies until both of the conditions are met (condition 1 AND condition 2). Meaning, the new booking must be made after September 30 AND the cruise must embark after December 31. Until both conditions are met, simply more will apply.

I was hoping we would hear from @JanCruz1 ……

😅🤣I'm pretty sure most marketing people don't take logic classes, so I take what the write with a grain of salt.

[PhD-iva]

2 minutes ago, AMHuntFerry said:

😅🤣I'm pretty sure most marketing people don't take logic classes, so I take what the write with a grain of salt.

I’m sure you’re right. Guess I’ll give up now.