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well, as of Jan 23rd you will need a passport to enter the US when entering by air.

 

Personally, I think you should get a passport. Not all countries will accept your birthcertificate either.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html

 

All cruise ports in the Caribbean accept BC and photo ID, or they would not have ships stopping there...:rolleyes: Who cares what is required to get into Beirut, I am not going there, and no, they will not let me in with my BC.

 

Please see my post above, if you are a US citizen, you will NOT be denied entry back into the US if you have an emergency and need to fly - no matter what country you are coming in from, no matter when in the future as of the current laws. You can expedite your entry by making arrangements in advance, SOME airlines will require you to do this before you board a plane, others will not.

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we got passports in 1999 for our first trip to Europe. Now we use them for ALL travel - foreign and domestic. IT makes everything a breeze. We did go to the Bahamas once before that (long before 9/11) and using birth certificates was a huge to-do. LOVE LOVE LOVE my passport. Wish we got stamps on cruises, though.

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We just got our passports at the end of November.

We received them in 4 weeks.

Now we're good to go, and don't have to worry about our Birth Certificates, and drivers licenses!

 

We will definitely use them again. We are planning on going to Cancun next March, for our daughters 18th birthday.

 

JUST DO IT!!!

 

We are sailing on the Triumph, June 16th, 2007!

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As of this winter, a passport is required, ever for travel to Canada. Now as a practical matter, it is very difficult to keep out a citizen who has all the other paperwork in order, but they've been saying "passports will be required by January '07" for about three years now.

 

Go to the local courthouse, clerk of the court's office, have your SS card, your driver's licence and a "passport photo" from Walgreens in your possession and $10 {i think it is] in your wallet, fill out the form and mail it in right there. Allow 8-10 weeks for delivery.

 

And don't smile in the photo. The guvmint hates happy citizens.

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...and don't misunderstand me, I have a passport, have always had a passport, need it for work and play, I have lived in Europe for several years, traveled all over - had to get extra pages when I was in Europe because of all the stinking government visas etc. I highly recommend getting one.

 

I just don't like people spreading misinformation that a US citizen will be denied entry into the US without a passport if flying, that is absolutely NOT true. Again, if you are in a hurry, or the airline requires it you will need to be faxed a permission letter from the State Dept. if not, you will just be detained until your citizenship can be validated.

 

The US citizen, who did not violate foreign laws, trapped abroad is a load of BS!!!

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What happens, worst case scenario, if you miss the ship and have to fly to your next port? You are not flying anywhere without your passport!

 

And what if someone gets ill and has to leave the ship early to fly home? Nope, not without a passport!

 

And finally, what if someone at home gets ill or, God forbid, dies? You need to get off the ship in a hurry and get home? Better have that passport.

This is why I finally broke down and applied for them, too scary to think of what could happen in an emergency without them.

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Hi! Everyone! I am new to the board and a first time cruiser.(hopefully i will be a repeat cruiser- hubby is not so sure about the whole cruise thing) We are going on a cruise soon and we are wondering who all will be using just there birth certificate and drivers license since it is not mandantory that you have a passport yet? :)

 

 

I will be cruising soon in April this year and I'm gonna hold off until later in the year to get my passport. I'm getting it later this year because I know eventually we will need it and its just a safe thing to have. But for my April cruise, I will just use my BC and DL.

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Have never traveled outside the U.S. (except twice to Canada) over the past 30 years without a passport and don't plan to leave this country without one on my person.

 

Got my first passport in 1968 when I flew to Berlin, Germany to join my husband who was stationed with the U.S. Army. Learned then that a passport is the way to travel outside the U.S.

 

Made a trip to Canada in 1974 without my passport with no problem. Took my next trip out of the country in 1996 to Europe and re-applied for a passport since my original had expired. Have kept my passport updated and current ever since.

 

It's so much quicker and easier to just plop my passport on the counter at the airline's or cruise ship check in than to fiddle with paper's showing proof of identity. Like the famikiar commercial says, ``won't leave home without it.''

 

Dianne

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Hi and welcome. While you don't have to have passport at this time, you are taking a risk. If something happens while on your cruise (illness of someone back home or ANY reason you may have to fly back for) you will not be able to get back into the states as you are required to have a passport to enter. It's really up to you and what you feel comfortable with. I have had one since my first cruise 7 years ago just because of visting other countries you never know what could happen. I hope you and your hubby enjoy your cruise!

 

This is just not true...you will be able to get back to the states. You don't have to stay on an island forever (though some might like that idea.) :p While I agree traveling with a passport is best, you can return without one.

 

http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/c...c_2225.html#12

 

Q. What happens to U.S. citizens who attempt to re-enter the country without a passport or an alternative travel card?

Under the law, the new documentation requirements may be waived under certain circumstances. These exceptions include individual cases of unforeseen emergency and individual cases based on “humanitarian or national interest reasons.” In addition, the State Department has processes to assist U.S. citizens overseas to obtain emergency travel documentation for those with lost or stolen passports.

For the general public, people who apply for entry but do not have appropriate documentation will be referred for secondary screening at the port. In secondary, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers will evaluate any evidence of citizenship or identity the individual may have and will verify all information against available databases. However, to prevent delay at the ports of entry, we would encourage all U.S. citizens to obtain the appropriate documents before they travel.

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We have an appointment at the post office to get our passports tomorrow. My friend and I cruise in 2 1/2 months. I hope that allows plenty of time to get the passport in.

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Go to the local courthouse, clerk of the court's office, have your SS card, your driver's licence and a "passport photo" from Walgreens in your possession and $10 {i think it is] in your wallet, fill out the form and mail it in right there. Allow 8-10 weeks for delivery.

 

This is from the US sight about the fees for passports.

 

 

Passport Fees

 

 

 

March 8, 2005

Routine Services (Form DS-11)

Non-Refundable

Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $67. The execution fee is $30. The total is $97 .

Under Age 16: The passport application fee is $52. The execution fee is $30. The total is $82 .

The passport application fee includes the $12.00 Security Surcharge, which became effective March 8, 2005.

Methods of Payment -

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Just my 2 cents. My family, including children, use passports for any out of the country travel as well as any airport travel. Works for us. :D

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This is from the US sight about the fees for passports.

 

 

Passport Fees

 

 

 

March 8, 2005

Routine Services (Form DS-11)

Non-Refundable

Age 16 and older: The passport application fee is $67. The execution fee is $30. The total is $97 .

Under Age 16: The passport application fee is $52. The execution fee is $30. The total is $82 .

The passport application fee includes the $12.00 Security Surcharge, which became effective March 8, 2005.

Methods of Payment -

 

 

YIKES!!

 

I paid nowhere near that for mine 6 years ago.

 

Leave it to the feds to pass a law making something mandatory and then raising the rates.

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...and don't misunderstand me, I have a passport, have always had a passport, need it for work and play, I have lived in Europe for several years, traveled all over - had to get extra pages when I was in Europe because of all the stinking government visas etc. I highly recommend getting one.

 

I just don't like people spreading misinformation that a US citizen will be denied entry into the US without a passport if flying, that is absolutely NOT true. Again, if you are in a hurry, or the airline requires it you will need to be faxed a permission letter from the State Dept. if not, you will just be detained until your citizenship can be validated.

 

The US citizen, who did not violate foreign laws, trapped abroad is a load of BS!!!

 

You're absolutely right, but I don't think that anyone is claiming that you would become a "man/woman without a country" if you tried to return to the US by air without a passport, as long as you're a US citizen. However, I suspect that it could be a major hassle, involving many phone calls and discussions with beaurocrats and airline ticket agents, who may not really know what the law really is (they've just been told that no one gets on a US bound plane without a passport).

 

So, yes, you could return home, eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a couple days to contact the State Dept., convince them that you really are a citizen and get (and probably pay dearly for) an expedited replacement passport or waiver. And while the website says that waivers can be granted in the case of an emergency, I suspect that staying too long at Margheritaville or Carlos and Charlies' does not really constitute an unavoidable emergency in the eyes of the State Department.

 

I, for one, would just as soon avoid the potential hassle and use a passport.

 

Besides, I've heard that the fees, which are already pretty high, are going up (possibly doubling) later this year. Avoid the rush and the increased cost by getting one now.

 

On our next cruise in April, since we're in this odd interim period in which a birth certificate still works for a normal cruise return, I'm going to take both. If I lose my passport in a foreign port, I can still use my BC to get home. If I get stranded in a foreign port, I will have my PP to fly home with no hassle.

 

Paul Noble

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I know for us Canucks.. those that procrastinated in getting their passports are now waiting in 5hr plus lines just to get into the passport office.. god only knows how long the turn around time is to receive them.. :rolleyes:

 

Too each their own.. being a Canadian we really have no choice in the matter if we want to cruise.. most have to fly or drive upteen hours to get to a port.. besides the eastern and western (where passports will not be required)

 

I would say if you plan on vacationing yearly invest the money now in a passport.. for US Citizens it works out to approximately 10 bucks per year.. hey atleast your passports are valid for 10yrs.. ours up North are only valid for 5yrs:( and are approximately the same price!!!(quietly praying for the govt to change that soon)

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While you are deciding whether or not to get a passport consider this scenario that was recently posted on another board.

 

A couple misses their cruise out of Miami due to flight delays. They had to fly to the next port of Jamaica to catch their ship. As of Jan 23 a passport is required to fly to the Caribbean so if they didn't have one after that date they wouldn't have been able to catch up with the ship.

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You're absolutely right, but I don't think that anyone is claiming that you would become a "man/woman without a country" if you tried to return to the US by air without a passport, as long as you're a US citizen. However, I suspect that it could be a major hassle, involving many phone calls and discussions with beaurocrats and airline ticket agents, who may not really know what the law really is (they've just been told that no one gets on a US bound plane without a passport).

 

Not true, one phone call, no delay, no hassle, I KNOW from personal experience from Germany... State dept. faxed the airline direct....

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YIKES!!

 

I paid nowhere near that for mine 6 years ago.

 

Leave it to the feds to pass a law making something mandatory and then raising the rates.

Interesting because that is exactly what I paid for mine 9 years ago. I just found the canceled check.

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You're absolutely right, but I don't think that anyone is claiming that you would become a "man/woman without a country" if you tried to return to the US by air without a passport, as long as you're a US citizen. However, I suspect that it could be a major hassle, involving many phone calls and discussions with beaurocrats and airline ticket agents, who may not really know what the law really is (they've just been told that no one gets on a US bound plane without a passport).

 

I would have to agree with you. While maybe some on here had no problem prior to the new law. We will not really know how they will handle situtations after Jan. 23 2007. While they do say these new requirements may be waived in case of a emergency.....who determines that is another story.

I guess we really won't know until it happens to someone after Jan 23 2007.

I would not take any chances.........but that's my opinion...

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Well only 2 people in my family going on this trip have a passport, me included. The rest of my family I just sent an email out to them just yesterday telling them that if they couldn't get a passport before our August cruise that they would be ok. So some will probably get it and some won't but I know when we went on our first cruise 2 yrs ago my family members used a BC and DL and were A-OK the whole trip. So if you only have a BC and DL for now for your upcoming cruise, you will be alright.

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I have a passport and travel with it for other reasons than vacation. All this scary things that might happen if you get left behind at the port are not what some on this board make it out to be. Why did the government delay the requirement? They are trying to figure out a cheaper alternative other than a passport and if they do you will not need a passport to fly home in case of an emergency. Just like now a passport will be required for all planned flights and I agree with mrdood that all that it will take is a phone call and maybe a TSA official meeting you at the gate.

 

I say don't rush out to get a passport because I believe the government will probably come up with a cheaper method good for both air and sea for this type of travel. Not because the government has our pocket books in mind but because our nearest foreign neighbors that depend on tourism for their economies has asked them too.

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I say don't rush out to get a passport because I believe the government will probably come up with a cheaper method good for both air and sea for this type of travel. Not because the government has our pocket books in mind but because our nearest foreign neighbors that depend on tourism for their economies has asked them too.

 

Please list those foreign neighbours that have asked ???

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Not true, one phone call, no delay, no hassle, I KNOW from personal experience from Germany... State dept. faxed the airline direct....

 

 

 

Was this before or after 9/11? Considering the new restrictions as of 1/23/07 may not be as easy.

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Please list those foreign neighbours that have asked ???

 

Mexico and Canada made a formal request tha "pass cards" be made available for land crosssings. Members of the Caribbean community yet have not formally asked but have inquired if th U.S. could extend a pass card to the them also.

 

And in congress:

 

The passport card is intended as a lower cost means of establishing

identity and nationality for American citizens in two limited

situations--for citizens crossing U.S. land borders and traveling by

sea between the U.S., Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean or Bermuda. The

passport card is not designed to be a globally interoperable travel

document as defined by the International Civil Aviation Organization

(ICAO). Designing a card format passport for wide use, including by air

travelers, would inadvertently undercut the broad based international

effort to strengthen civil aviation security and travel document

specifications to address the post 9/11 threat environment. Moreover,

in its recent consideration of the FY 2007 Appropriations Act for the

Department of Homeland Security, the Congress, while allowing for the

use of the passport card by citizens traveling by sea between the U.S.,

Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean or Bermuda, did not make parallel changes

regarding international air travel.

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My mom's passport expires on Sept 20/07 and were Canadian. Were leaving Toronto on the 4th of Feb returning the 14th of March, our panama cruise is with RCCL from Feb 12th - 23rd and its going into the panama canal, costa rica, aruba, curacao......is she going to be ok? should she/we worry?

 

the passport office said there;s a 2 month waiting period for passports so thats out of the question. and he also said it needs to be valid for 6 months after departing the panama canal we'll be there on the 19th of Feb and he said it wont be valid......correct me if my math is wrong but wont 6 months be august 14th? her's doesnt expire til the 20th.

 

should we worry about getting on the cruise and back into canada?

 

THank you to all that reply, and happy cruisin:D

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My mom's passport expires on Sept 20/07 and were Canadian. Were leaving Toronto on the 4th of Feb returning the 14th of March, our panama cruise is with RCCL from Feb 12th - 23rd and its going into the panama canal, costa rica, aruba, curacao......is she going to be ok? should she/we worry?

 

the passport office said there;s a 2 month waiting period for passports so thats out of the question. and he also said it needs to be valid for 6 months after departing the panama canal we'll be there on the 19th of Feb and he said it wont be valid......correct me if my math is wrong but wont 6 months be august 14th? her's doesnt expire til the 20th.

 

should we worry about getting on the cruise and back into canada?

 

THank you to all that reply, and happy cruisin:D

 

The problem I forsee is that the ship's crew may deny her onboard the ship if one of the countries the ship is sailing to requires a valid passport for Canadian Citizens. Also, if something were to happen (i.e, miss the ship while on port, a medical emergency) and she needs to board a plane, the airline could deny boarding onto the plane. Please bear in mind that what I am saying is not set in stone. Usually the six month passport expiration is from the begining of the trip.

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Hi everybody. Since jan 1 all canadian need a passport if you wish to fly another country. having a passport makes life alot easier at the border.

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Hi evrybody. In this day and age you cannot travel without having a passport. you don't want to have to canel your cruise because they do not

let you pass at the border

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Mexico and Canada made a formal request tha "pass cards" be made available for land crosssings. Members of the Caribbean community yet have not formally asked but have inquired if th U.S. could extend a pass card to the them also.

 

This wasn't asked for by Canada or Mexico, it was "mutually agreed upon" meaning someone thought it was a good idea.

 

It is a good idea more or less, but if you plan to cruise anywhere other than in North America, you may as well get the Passport, and renew as necessary.

 

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=8177558e-91c3-4ad6-8e6e-db63816581bd&k=76330

 

 

On top of that, there's nothing stating the costs of such a thing. There's currently a F.A.S.T. (I love these insipid acronyms... :D ) card for cross-border Trade, and it requires fingerprints, and it's about $25 for the registration. If you're not going to go with a full-on machine-readable passport program, and reduce the price of it, at least having a card that's supported by a biometrics and a central database, it's a better system than just having a simple and counterfeitable card.

 

This type of system was talked about in Canada in 1999-2000, and when 2001/09/11 happened, the question of integration with the US/Mexico.

 

BTW, as of Jan 23, 2007 You need a passport to travel by air to the US.

 

http://www.ppt.gc.ca/newsroom/news.aspx?lang=e&page=/newsroom/20061205.aspx

 

 

 

If you're American, you don't NEED a passport, but, you're far better served to get one, that way you can cruise in Europe.

 

Either way, us non-Americans will be in a shorter line on boarding :D

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Was this before or after 9/11? Considering the new restrictions as of 1/23/07 may not be as easy.

 

The incident in Germany was my son last Spring...

 

...the link I posted on the website regarding emergencies is valid for the NEW laws after 1/23, it really is laughable to think that in August if you debark the ship in Costa Maya for an emergency, you a)would not be allowed to fly back home b) would have to travel to Mexico City to get permission from the Embassy to do so.

 

The only time you would be hassled is if you did not check in first, and that would only require a secondary screening - per the State Department Web site.

 

The sky on this is not falling.

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I guess I'm just a sceptic. Since the new restrictions have not been enforced as of yet......the truth is no one knows how it will be handeled.

My opinion why even take a chance.

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I guess I'm just a sceptic. Since the new restrictions have not been enforced as of yet......the truth is no one knows how it will be handeled.

My opinion why even take a chance.

 

...I agree, I am on my third passport, I just find the whole picture of stranded americans laying all over the Caribbean humorous, the link I posted addresses the new restrictions, they will still let you back in.

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Maddea20 - my comments are not mean't in a nasty way it is just amazing or rather shocking how many people are just not aware of what kind of danger they might be putting themselves into....

 

 

 

I dont think that its because people are not aware...

In my case, I am aware but I was just not ready to foot the bill yet. In some other folks case, it could be that they travel so little that they dont think its worth the cost for them. But being that it is soon going to be mandatory to have one for travel...I think when push comes to shove people will handle their business since there wont be any other option.

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Interesting because that is exactly what I paid for mine 9 years ago. I just found the canceled check.

 

I got mine 4 years ago and paid $57. You got ripped off.

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Also from the Dept. of State website:

 

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS: The Government of Mexico requires that all U.S. citizens present proof of citizenship and photo identification for entry into Mexico. However, some U.S. citizens have encountered difficulty in boarding flights in Mexico without a passport.

 

And this fact sheet is from August of last year. If you go to Mexico without a passport and think that you can make a phone call and get on a plane without delay after the new rules take effect in a couple weeks, you are living in a dream world. The whole point of getting a passport, the ONLY reason, is that in case of emergency, you can take a cab to the airport, buy a plane ticket, and fly home. If you had such an emergency, would you want to have to worry about making a phone call, or getting a fax, or making a 4 hour trip to the embassy first, or worse? Give me a break. It's worth every penny of that $97 just for the peace of mind.

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Actually, the information I received from Carnival for our April '08 cruise is that the push back of the date that cruise passengers will need a passport is due to the fact that the government is planning to issue a smaller Pass Port type card and the cost will be significately less - approximately $50 per card.

 

I am waiting for that to be implemented before I spend $400 on passports for a family of 4.

 

This is the statement from Carnival in my documents:

 

The U.S. Government will require that all of our guests, including U.S. Citizens be in possession of a valid passport when traveling on any Carnival Cruise. This requirement will become effective no later than June 1, 2009. This effective date may be moved to an earlier date pending the U.S. Government's implementation of new identification cards (PASScards) that will provide a less expensive alternative form of documentation. For travel by air, the passport deadline will remain January 8, 2007.

 

I'm holding a passport application as I type. And as far as the smaller passport card goes:

 

Electronic Passport Statement:

"The State Department will begin issuing a new type of passport containing an embedded electronic chip and called an "Electronic Passport". The new passport will continue to be proof of the bearer's United States citizenship/nationality and identity, and will look and function in the same way as a passport without a chip. The addition of an electronic chip in the back cover will enable the new passport to carry a duplicate electronic copy of all information from the data page. The new passport will be usable at all ports-of-entry, including those that do not yet have electronic chip readers.

Use of the electronic format will provide the traveler the additional security protections inherent in chip technology. Moreover, when used at ports-of-entry equipped with electronic chip readers, the new passport will provide for faster clearance through some of the port-of-entry processes.

Issuance of this new passport will be phased in incrementally. It is expected that by late 2006 nearly all U.S. passports will be issued in this new format. The new passport will not require special handling or treatment, but like previous versions should be protected from extreme bending and from immersion in water. The electronic chip must be read using specially formatted readers, and is not susceptible to unauthorized reading.

The cover of the new passport will be printed with a special symbol representing the embedded chip. The symbol will appear in port-of-entry areas where the electronic passport can be read.

 

If your referring to the credit card size passport, you are still going to be required to have the main passport but the cc size one can be bought for an additional fee and used at checkpoints, etc but obviously you still need the big passport to stamp, and they won't be available for some time. Save yourself some headaches and money and go ahead and get them now imho.

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We have passports, just got them. I got mine in September, and DH's came in this past Saturday with our Feb. cruise docs:D We'll definitely be using them on our upcoming trip, and are glad that we went ahead and got them.

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