Do you smoke on a cruise?

[Griller]

I prefer:

 

Making a non-smoking casino is like making a clothing-mandatory brothel.

 

Passengers on other cruise lines never believe me when I tell them NCL made the cigar rooms onboard at least some of the NCL ships I've cruised on totally nonsmoking last April.

 

Come on, how far can we go to please the antismoking brigade?

[Mooder]

Passengers on other cruise lines never believe me when I tell them NCL made the cigar rooms onboard at least some of the NCL ships I've cruised on totally nonsmoking last April.

 

Come on, how far can we go to please the antismoking brigade?

 

Seriously?!?!?! The cigar rooms are non-smoking. That seems to be an oxymoron.

[BIG_Steve]

Wow... this could be the most uninformed person here. Congratulations!

 

 

 

WELL, you sure told me! I am Soooo humbled!

 

I said I wasn't going to fan the flames any longer. But you can keep right on going.

[Mooder]

I prefer:

 

Making a non-smoking casino is like making a clothing-mandatory brothel.

 

I take the humor, but it seems an extreme position of you're serious, so I am curious - believe me I have no axe to grind and am only following this thread with mild interest - would you be against a non-smoking casino if it were in addition to a smoking casino?

[Mooder]

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Has anyone else reading here come up with any possible theory as to why these poll numbers would skew so unexpectedly away from the US curve?

 

Nevermind. I've seen several good theories mentioned and don't know, except for a combination of all. For me, I just wasn't that interested in the discussion until I'd finished reading through all the others that interested me.

[pianomanorlando]

I take the humor, but it seems an extreme position of you're serious, so I am curious - believe me I have no axe to grind and am only following this thread with mild interest - would you be against a non-smoking casino if it were in addition to a smoking casino?

 

Of course that would be fine. But just check out the casinos in Atlantic City... they made the casinos devote 80% (I think) of their floor space to non-smoking. Those areas are dead empty. The smoking areas are so full you can't get a seat at a table.

[Mooder]

Of course that would be fine. But just check out the casinos in Atlantic City... they made the casinos devote 80% (I think) of their floor space to non-smoking. Those areas are dead empty. The smoking areas are so full you can't get a seat at a table.

 

I agree. Here in CT I have observed the same pattern in the big casinos we have up here. But, fortunately, the are so huge they can afford to devote some space to the non-smokers. It wouldn't make sense for every place.

[Griller]

Seriously?!?!?! The cigar rooms are non-smoking. That seems to be an oxymoron.

 

In fact there was a good reason although as an occasional cigar smoker on Jewel last April I was a bit miffed until they explained why.

 

NCL banned cigarette smoking in all the bars, the cigarette smokers then piled into the cigar room and overloaded the hitherto adequate ventilation system, the smell of cigarette smoke then leaked into Le Bistro next door and diners rightly complained.

 

Hence a total ban on smoking in the cigar room. Jewel 's cigar room had no door, unlike Gem which has a tightly fitting door. I haven't been on Gem recently enough to know if cigar smoking is currently allowed in the cigar room or not.

[Mooder]

In fact there was a good reason although as an occasional cigar smoker on Jewel last April I was a bit miffed until they explained why.

 

NCL banned cigarette smoking in all the bars, the cigarette smokers then piled into the cigar room and overloaded the hitherto adequate ventilation system, the smell of cigarette smoke then leaked into Le Bistro next door and diners rightly complained.

 

Hence a total ban on smoking in the cigar room. Jewel 's cigar room had no door, unlike Gem which has a tightly fitting door. I haven't been on Gem recently enough to know if cigar smoking is currently allowed in the cigar room or not.

 

So what DOES go on in the "cigar room"?, she hesitated to ask. Do you just get your cigar to take and smoke elsewhere? On the Gem, I remember I was surprised how few people I saw in the room, but frankly can't recall what they were doing - though I would like to think I'd have noticed if they were not smoking. :rolleyes:

[*Wink*]

I wonder why the had to ban all smoking in the cigar bar. Couldn't they have just said no cigarettes.. Cigars only?

[Griller]

I'll second that, we cigar afficionados hated having cigarette smokers in our little clubroom, where we chatted and socialised with likeminded folk.................

 

it was quite funny when the cigarette smokers first came in, we used to cough and fan the air when they lit up, but it all turned to ashes in the end......................

 

anway its all history now, its up to the open air bar on one of the top decks, OK to smoke a cigar there, can't remember the name, it overlooks the swimming pool.

 

Not much fun transatlantic or in cold weather.

[KnJTexas]

Well I hope alot of you folks are not next to our balony in Sept cruise. We will be enjoying our cigars and smokes :rolleyes: watching the sea roll by.

I'm so tired of non smokers treating smokers as second class people we paided our way we go to our corners and stand away from the doors. We can even go in and enjoy a beer and a smoke at the same time anymore.

[*Wink*]

Well I hope alot of you folks are not next to our balony in Sept cruise. We will be enjoying our cigars and smokes :rolleyes: watching the sea roll by.

I'm so tired of non smokers treating smokers as second class people we paided our way we go to our corners and stand away from the doors. We can even go in and enjoy a beer and a smoke at the same time anymore.

Your comment has generated some deep questions that I'd like to know your thoughts on.

 

You seem ticked off that you are now required to make concessions with your smoking, i.e. standing away from doors. Is it your belief that someone walking through your smoke would not, could not have a negative impact on their health?

 

Don't you think it separates us from the animals, so to speak, that we have concern and accountability for the well being of our fellow man? Doesn't it behoove all of us to think not only of ourselves, but to consider other people highly enough that we wouldn't dream of putting them in harms way?

 

When did defiance replace consideration?

[Traveller20074]

I read through that other post as well and was getting a annoyed at the blatant name calling. It quickly degraded from an adult conversation to a flame war.

 

I'm a "retired smoker" who used to smoke a pack a day and quit for health, financial, social reasons. Therefore, I'm a VERY tolerant non-smoker. Yes, I smelled it while passing through the casino and might have caught a brief whiff walking past someone on deck but it was always the case of "just passing through" so it didn't bother me.

 

I know it's hard to quit and I'm understanding of those that can't break the habit. Besides there are more places I can go for fresh air than there are for a smoker to go and light up.

 

That ^^^^

[G'ma]

Of course that would be fine. But just check out the casinos in Atlantic City... they made the casinos devote 80% (I think) of their floor space to non-smoking. Those areas are dead empty. The smoking areas are so full you can't get a seat at a table.

 

AC suspended their nonsmoking policy in October last year.......too much loss of revenue in tough economic times.....they say.

 

It's always about the money...always.

[Surfgirl]

AC suspended their nonsmoking policy in October last year.......too much loss of revenue in tough economic times.....they say.

 

It's always about the money...always.

 

And the smoking ban in Atlantic City may be back! YAY!

 

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/186/story/413144.html

[CruisnGram]

And the smoking ban in Atlantic City may be back! YAY!

 

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/186/story/413144.html

 

"May" is the operative word here. When reading the article, this statement jumped out at me and says it all:

 

Pennsylvania increased the percentage of the casino floor where smoking is allowed in December from 25 to 50 percent after casinos showed slot machines in smoking areas made twice the revenue as those in non-smoking areas.

As said before, it's all about the money. So, I'm thinking that things "may" stay just as they are. YAY!

CG

[Ladder55]

ncl could hold a few rooms for non smoking, but a just a few in each category, then it would give the non smokers an opportunity to have a non smoking room

 

ccl does have some rooms that are non smoking only,not sure about the other lines

[MSH2007]

who will pay for the social programs that the cigarette taxes support?

 

On February 4 2009, President Obama signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act of 2009 granting insurance to an additional 4 million children and pregnant women, including for the first time legal immigrants without a waiting period.

 

And this was done by increasing the tax on cigarettes (61 cents/pack).

 

So - as long as I continue to smoke, I know I'm helping to pay for the health insurance of a bunch of poor little children and pregnant women who wouldn't otherwise have any. Just my way of giving back ... :)

[mpk218]

who will pay for the social programs that the cigarette taxes support?

 

On February 4 2009, President Obama signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act of 2009 granting insurance to an additional 4 million children and pregnant women, including for the first time legal immigrants without a waiting period.

 

And this was done by increasing the tax on cigarettes (61 cents/pack).

 

So - as long as I continue to smoke, I know I'm helping to pay for the health insurance of a bunch of poor little children and pregnant women who wouldn't otherwise have any. Just my way of giving back ... :)

 

 

Hahahh , there ya go :p See I knew there was a benefit in it some where ... Heck if they took away the cig tax and the Booze tax the country would go broke (er)...

[MAZANDSTEVE]

Yey another debate on smoking!

Ok, I am a non smoker..................... now, gave up a month ago, mainly for health issues.

I know there will be lots of smokers wherever I go, even on a cruise ship. So as long as there is somewhere non smoking for me to go, I dont care!! I will go where I feel happy and will not make any judgments on smokers, its there right to smoke if they wish, I just dont have to sit near them thats my choice. I dont see it as a problem for anyone, there is always somewhere to go to suit smokers and non-smokers. Why the stress??:):)

[Surfgirl]

"May" is the operative word here. When reading the article, this statement jumped out at me and says it all:

 

Pennsylvania increased the percentage of the casino floor where smoking is allowed in December from 25 to 50 percent after casinos showed slot machines in smoking areas made twice the revenue as those in non-smoking areas.

 

As said before, it's all about the money. So, I'm thinking that things "may" stay just as they are. YAY!

 

CG

 

Don't "bet" on it! :D YAY!

[Surfgirl]

who will pay for the social programs that the cigarette taxes support?

 

On February 4 2009, President Obama signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act of 2009 granting insurance to an additional 4 million children and pregnant women, including for the first time legal immigrants without a waiting period.

 

And this was done by increasing the tax on cigarettes (61 cents/pack).

 

So - as long as I continue to smoke, I know I'm helping to pay for the health insurance of a bunch of poor little children and pregnant women who wouldn't otherwise have any. Just my way of giving back ... :)

 

 

Except that smokers cost tax payers billions of dollars in Medicaid costs.

 

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/11/tobacco_cost.html

[melligene]

Except that smokers cost tax payers billions of dollars in Medicaid costs.

 

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/11/tobacco_cost.html

 

 

You might want to check underage drinking and/ or alcohol related accidents and their associated costs. Also you may want to check Medicare fraud. Please do your homework before you respond. Please don't pick and choose by just reading or listening to the news. Just sayin..........

[LadyShiva]

It's the thread that never ends... it just goes on and on, my friends... :eek:

 

I know the Barney song, too, and I'm not afraid to use it! :D