I think they cheat

[cruiser_new]

I am no stranger to casinos, not that I'm a professional gambler or anything, but casinos are a regular form of entertainment for me. I usually play blackjack, and I play by the book, which I know well. I am a rookie at craps, trying to learn the game. Usually I lose, becasue the house always has the advantage, right? Sometimes I actually win, which is why I keep coming back. HOWEVER, on nights I do not win, I always see a fair number of of people doing well.

 

Just got off of our first cruise last weekend (Carnival Legend), and I think something is up. The whole time I was in the casino ( a fair amount) I saw ONE person that I think did well (actually I'm not even sure of that....he had a nice stack of chips when he cashed in, but I have no idea what he bought in for).

 

I would like to relay something I saw at a craps table, and you craps veterans can remark on it. I had a pretty good roll going. The stick lady took the dice and pushed them over by the money drop (across from her), and then flipped one of them over, then pushed them back to me at the end of the table. My next roll was a seven and I was done. It seemed odd, but I am not experienced enough in craps to make an accusation.

 

All I know is that it is really weird to not ever see winners, even if it's not me. I suspect it is POSSIBLE for them to cheat at craps by having weird dice or using some sort of magnets or something. My gut tells me there may be less regulation in international waters than on land-based casinos.

 

As for blackjack, I cannot fathom how they could possibly affect which cards come out when, but again, it was so bizarre that NOBODY was winning.

 

I don't know, but it really makes me wonder.....

[Lisa&Neb]

I am no stranger to casinos, not that I'm a professional gambler or anything, but casinos are a regular form of entertainment for me. I usually play blackjack, and I play by the book, which I know well. I am a rookie at craps, trying to learn the game. Usually I lose, becasue the house always has the advantage, right? Sometimes I actually win, which is why I keep coming back. HOWEVER, on nights I do not win, I always see a fair number of of people doing well.

 

Just got off of our first cruise last weekend (Carnival Legend), and I think something is up. The whole time I was in the casino ( a fair amount) I saw ONE person that I think did well (actually I'm not even sure of that....he had a nice stack of chips when he cashed in, but I have no idea what he bought in for).

 

I would like to relay something I saw at a craps table, and you craps veterans can remark on it. I had a pretty good roll going. The stick lady took the dice and pushed them over by the money drop (across from her), and then flipped one of them over, then pushed them back to me at the end of the table. My next roll was a seven and I was done. It seemed odd, but I am not experienced enough in craps to make an accusation.

 

All I know is that it is really weird to not ever see winners, even if it's not me. I suspect it is POSSIBLE for them to cheat at craps by having weird dice or using some sort of magnets or something. My gut tells me there may be less regulation in international waters than on land-based casinos.

 

As for blackjack, I cannot fathom how they could possibly affect which cards come out when, but again, it was so bizarre that NOBODY was winning.

 

I don't know, but it really makes me wonder.....

 

This is normal... different casinos have different rules... but MOST places/dealers/sticks will not pass you the dice with a 7 showing, a crap showing. Others will aviod 11's or pairs.

 

If the stick only touched the dice with the stick how could anything be "changes" in the dice?

 

As for not seeing anyone winning, as Yo and others on here will tell you that is the time to play the "dark side" or "wrong side" or with the casino or against the table or pick yourname. But you are betting 7's hit and not points.

[NancyNM]

I would like to relay something I saw at a craps table, and you craps veterans can remark on it. I had a pretty good roll going. The stick lady took the dice and pushed them over by the money drop (across from her), and then flipped one of them over, then pushed them back to me at the end of the table. My next roll was a seven and I was done. It seemed odd, but I am not experienced enough in craps to make an accusation.

 

It's normal for the stickman to fiddle with the dice. They will usually make sure they're not set on a seven, and sometimes they'll even set them to the point, before passing them to the shooter.

 

I wouldn't find anything suspicious about that at all.

 

Certainly the casino can have unusually tight slot machines (probably do), but I wouldn't be concerned about the table games. Besides, they have enough of a house edge built in, and so many people bet pretty unwisely, they don't need to cheat!

Nancy

[stan wood]

As a dealer, I always felt I won more for the casinos on a Friday night or a weekend. I attributed this to inexperienced gamblers out to have a good time and expecting to lose. I would imagine that this same type of gambler would make up a large percentage of gamblers on a cruise. I usually gave away more money on Monday and Tuesday mornings-when the "serious gamblers" came out. Most of these gamblers would never think of showing up on a weekend unless it was really early in the day.

[Silverscreencruiser]

As for not seeing anyone winning, as Yo and others on here will tell you that is the time to play the "dark side" or "wrong side" or with the casino or against the table or pick yourname. But you are betting 7's hit and not points.

 

Carnival or any reputable cruise line would have to be nuts to try to cheat passengers. Most cruise passengers aren't experienced gamblers and often tend to bet and play stupidly. While there may not be a gaming commission as there is in Las Vegas or other places in the U.S., the cruise lines have their reputations to uphold. Gambling on cruise ships is not the primary source of income for the line as it is for land-based casinos, it's just one of many things they make money on.

 

There's a reason that everyone at the table was losing and that's probably because most people are "right" players, betting pass or come almost exclusively. So on a night that the dice are cold, the house will win big time. On a night the dice are hot, the house doesn't do that well.

[Yo Eleven]

The question is whether or not Carnival Legend has crooked craps tables?

 

Simple answer: NO!

 

Answers specified in others' postings.

 

I imagine the dice were CLEAR and you can see right into them. However, loaded dice can be translucent. But on the corners of them there will be weights with spots on them from the metal put in them. If you see various spots with different sizes on the corners the dice are loaded. The best way to test for loaded dice is to drop it in a glass of water. When it sinks only one number will always face up. It this happens the dice are loaded. You can't do this test at a craps table though. There is though something called a pivot test. Hold one of the dice with your thumb and finger on opposite corners but on diagonal corners very lightly. If it is loaded it will move a little downward as you hold it.

 

Other loaded dice have cuts in them especially on the corners but you won't see these on a cruise ship. I doubt you will see any crooked dice on a cruise ship. I think you were reading into it way to much in my opinion.

 

Play the don't pass for now on. :D

[Casino Player]

I am no stranger to casinos, not that I'm a professional gambler or anything, but casinos are a regular form of entertainment for me. I usually play blackjack, and I play by the book, which I know well. I am a rookie at craps, trying to learn the game. Usually I lose, becasue the house always has the advantage, right? Sometimes I actually win, which is why I keep coming back. HOWEVER, on nights I do not win, I always see a fair number of of people doing well.

 

Just got off of our first cruise last weekend (Carnival Legend), and I think something is up. The whole time I was in the casino ( a fair amount) I saw ONE person that I think did well (actually I'm not even sure of that....he had a nice stack of chips when he cashed in, but I have no idea what he bought in for).

 

I would like to relay something I saw at a craps table, and you craps veterans can remark on it. I had a pretty good roll going. The stick lady took the dice and pushed them over by the money drop (across from her), and then flipped one of them over, then pushed them back to me at the end of the table. My next roll was a seven and I was done. It seemed odd, but I am not experienced enough in craps to make an accusation.

 

All I know is that it is really weird to not ever see winners, even if it's not me. I suspect it is POSSIBLE for them to cheat at craps by having weird dice or using some sort of magnets or something. My gut tells me there may be less regulation in international waters than on land-based casinos.

 

As for blackjack, I cannot fathom how they could possibly affect which cards come out when, but again, it was so bizarre that NOBODY was winning.

 

I don't know, but it really makes me wonder.....

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO cruiser_new: I am not a stranger to casinos either. I don't play in them to earn a living either. Cruise lines don't cheat at table games. They don't have to. Most players are inexperienced gamblers just out to have a good time. Many don't realize what good bets are and bad bets are. You don't want to give the house a huge mathimatical advantage. Make the best bets possible and hope for the best.

It is possible for a table to get cold. It is also possible for a table to get hot. On most nights you will find that most shooters will seven out within five rolls. Some may have a medicore roll of between six and nine rolls. Sometimes you get a really hot shooter that might roll twenty or more rolls.

Most craps players tend to make money on the few hot rolls and manage losses on most of the other rolls of the dice. If you play the don't, remember on either the two or twelve it will be a push and no one wins, but, once a point is established the don't has the advantage. There are more ways to make seven than any other single number.

I like to think of rolling the dice as a flucuation of probability. On average every fourth or fifth roll should be a seven. The real average is 4.5. That was computed by people much smarter than me. Sometimes shooters will roll less and sometimes they will roll more. Try to get in on a shooter that has a good chance for a good roll.

 

By the way, I've sailed on the Legend before and won some money in the casino.

[jetwet1]

A stick man WILL pass the dice with a total of seven showing....ONCE , by the time the box, floor, player and the rest of the crew are done with him/her it's something they won't do again, it is considered bad luck and is not done.

 

As to cruise lines rigging games, nope doesn't happen, yes they may do something in a different wway than you are used to seeing, but every casino has it's own set of procedures and policies that they must stick to.

[cruiser_new]

I am no stranger to casinos, not that I'm a professional gambler or anything, but casinos are a regular form of entertainment for me. I usually play blackjack, and I play by the book, which I know well. I am a rookie at craps, trying to learn the game. Usually I lose, becasue the house always has the advantage, right? Sometimes I actually win, which is why I keep coming back. HOWEVER, on nights I do not win, I always see a fair number of of people doing well.

 

Just got off of our first cruise last weekend (Carnival Legend), and I think something is up. The whole time I was in the casino ( a fair amount) I saw ONE person that I think did well (actually I'm not even sure of that....he had a nice stack of chips when he cashed in, but I have no idea what he bought in for).

 

I would like to relay something I saw at a craps table, and you craps veterans can remark on it. I had a pretty good roll going. The stick lady took the dice and pushed them over by the money drop (across from her), and then flipped one of them over, then pushed them back to me at the end of the table. My next roll was a seven and I was done. It seemed odd, but I am not experienced enough in craps to make an accusation.

 

All I know is that it is really weird to not ever see winners, even if it's not me. I suspect it is POSSIBLE for them to cheat at craps by having weird dice or using some sort of magnets or something. My gut tells me there may be less regulation in international waters than on land-based casinos.

 

As for blackjack, I cannot fathom how they could possibly affect which cards come out when, but again, it was so bizarre that NOBODY was winning.

 

I don't know, but it really makes me wonder.....

 

This thread has focused on craps, which is fine. My original message actually covered blackjack and craps. I am mainly a blackjack player. I still cannot believe how consistently bad both the blackjack and craps tables were. Please understand I am not whining about my own money (OK maybe just a little). But NOBODY was winning. Maybe it really is straight as everyone here has said.....but man, I am telling you it was incredible.

[Lisa&Neb]

This thread has focused on craps, which is fine. My original message actually covered blackjack and craps. I am mainly a blackjack player. I still cannot believe how consistently bad both the blackjack and craps tables were. Please understand I am not whining about my own money (OK maybe just a little). But NOBODY was winning. Maybe it really is straight as everyone here has said.....but man, I am telling you it was incredible.

 

As stated by others... cruises are for cruisers not gamblers... you might know not to split 10's and always split 8's, but bozo will hit a hard 12 vs a dealer 6. bozo will bet 2 and 12 on the caprs table becasue they see the 30-1 odds. in the end they will loss, even if they hit, they will think... that was easy, lets bet it again. In the end they will lose. We will all lose in the end.. if we play long enought, You just hope you win first and leave before you lose!!! If you are a gambler/gamer, you know how to limit your losses and play with the least house edge. Most players do not!!!

[ruffs]

I don't think it would be considered cheating, but from what I've read here the cruise lines set their policies a little more aggressively than land based casinos, giving the house even more of an edge. Like other's have already said, they don't need to cheat to win.

[jetwet1]

Define policies ?

 

If you mean odds on say the hard ways, then ok, instead of being 10 to 1 and 8 to 1 they are 10 for one and 8 for one, that is actually pretty common in land based casinos now.

 

Other than that they payoffs are set in stone, so the odds cannot change.

[Tsukemono]

The risk of a casino cheating far outweighs any benefits. If a casino, on a ship or off, is caught cheating, they lose their license, period. And that's not just the single casino or single ship -- it's the whole shebang run by that company. The company would effectively be done for because even if they could somehow survive the time without gambling, their reputation is forever ruined. Many people don't gamble on board cruises, but enough do that it would massively affect bookings on that line.

 

Besides, casinos don't need to cheat. The games are pre-rigged in their favour just by the game rules. Go play and have fun, and don't expect to win! :)

[terbear_4u]

I too am a regular gambler at casinos. Blackjack is my best game. I have won any where from $5 to $54,000 in one setting at a land based casino in the past. I have found over the years that any form of card counting can help the player as to when to make the big bets. and usually win with them. I know that 6 decks are impossible to count , but I make my decicions to make a big bet by watching the smaller cards, 7 and less go by spent and then if a lot have passed , as compared to 8s and higher , then make my big bets.

 

The dealer is going to win hands and the players are going to win hands . And I try to win my big bet hands and lose my small bet hands by making my big bets when the big cards have a good chance of appearing. The big bets should be 4-6 times higher than the small bets if possible.

 

I have been on 6 cruises and only won at blackjack when the cards are dealt out of a shoe. That is , I believe , because the spent cards stay in the rack on the corner of the table untill the cut card comes out of the shoe and then the dealear shuffles and goes again from the shoe .

 

I have a good memory of what cards have been spent and make my big bets accordingly.

 

Now, The last cruise I was on, I could not win at Blackjack. Every Blackjack Table had an automatic shuffle machine . And after each hand , the dealer would scoop up all the spent cards and put them back into the shuffle machine before another hand was dealt.

 

Then all the spent cards and all the unused cards are back it the shuffler and I have no Idea of what to expect (High cards or low cards ). And On top of that there is always the Bozos (non basic strategy players) that ruin any possible rythm of cards also , and a lot of times they allow the dealer to win more.

 

So the casinos that have shuffle machines for every single hand have an added better advantage yet against the players. I wiil not play blackjack at these type tables again. It has become too much of a guessing game with them .

 

I think on a cruise ship, Craps is a safer game . No machines .