Seamo

" being like that "crappy carnival cruise ". "

WHAT ... a "Crap Cruise ... oh ... and on 'Carnival' ...

oh you ...you .... b ... 6 ..c .........................

you r my fav;)

Paper, rock. scissor ...

or where the " paper meets ... the Bun " ....

yea .... it is THAT Question ....

O.K., I'll just ask ....

Is the (ppsstt) 'tissue' soft ??

Yes , that is correct!; ... the one the comes on the roll....!!

Can not recall if it was Celebrity Eclipse or Carni. Splendor or the 27 days

on Jewel .... but ... there was a time we bought several (ah,hem) rolls of ' soft ' tissue ... at the Very First Port ....and.... it did get thru Security .. Softly

"The Great Epic :o paper issue" ... question .....

Soon to ... ;)Seamo;) ... and feel so so :rolleyes::eek::rolleyes: pampered

B6ConMe, Steeler Nation At Sea , dkbvs , LadyPacis + skymama815 ...

many thanks for the responses .... very helpful ...

Thank you for these insights ... the haunting questions ( for us - now ) is ...

The Spa Pass ... a yea or nay ...

seven days and going to ports ... we have visited .... before ....

(not to say we didn't enjoy them or wouldn't mind some 'land time' )...

... but ... the reason for THIS Epic cruise is ... ;)the Epic ;).... sooooo ...

seriously contemplating staying aboard and ( maybe ) enjoying a

... Lonesome Epic ... for two ...

.... can not wait to be .... off to ... :) Seamo :) ... :D

" .... but she used rubber bands to hook it on something :eek:...."

 

so how are your thumbs feeling ... now .... ?

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" ... if 4 times :p at the Steakhouse gets old, " Yes, indeed !! Did those Caggyressers but thinking (from what we read here) may go

3 Xs Le Bistro .... but will now reconsider your Pasta raccomandazione da pranzo ...

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Anyone ... got an opinion ..... for these ....

Signed up for ... "Presumed Murdered Luncheon" ...

any opinions on this choice.? Kids? Silly? Great?

Thinking of Spa Pass ... but read that it is as popular (crowded)

as any other "goodie" ... and ... further advised that ...

"go to the H20 ... on 'port-days' >> better than the Spa>!?" ..

:)seamo:)

*** 4 U .... B6ConMe ... Xthanks ...;)...!!!

A few more Questions ( if u can bear w/us ) ...

Signed up for ... "Presumed Murdered Luncheon" ...

any opinions on this choice.? Kids? Silly? Great? :p:eek::cool:

Thinking of Spa Pass ... but read that it is as popular (crowded)

as any other "goodie" ... and ... further advised that "go to the

H20 ... on 'port-days' >> better than the Spa>!?" .. :confused:

Signed on to the UltiDinDinPack. and reserved 4 Cagney,

2 Le Bistro and one Teppanyaki . Any opinons here..?

really appreciate the help .... T:)ANKS!!

Seamo

.... Hi CC message boards,

On Epic .... and have many questions. ....... Please forgive the use of the following format of # 1) .. # 2) and so on ...will help keep it clear ( at least for us ).

#1) Cabin 13276: the very last on Port-side. A family Balc. B2. Any info?!

it is under the Spa ... but looks like it is below the "relax/outer window area of that spa feature". Noise??

#2) Bringing wine with us. Must do it in carry on at embark? ... not in "checked" ...?

and same question for soft drinks like favorite Cokes/Lemon-lime etc..

#3) Always used the 'Shoe-caddy' for hanging on bathroom door. Made a

great organizer and easy locator for bathroom/other needs. Is this a usable

item .... with the Epic.. and the 'Special' bath/potty design...??

#4) Seems "dress-up" is NOT a Epic thing ... but do some folks wear a

jacket for dinner ... say at Cagney .. Le Bistro .. or just 'any time'??

#5) Have a very late after cruise flight ... How long are you allowed to "linger" onboard ... until "hey you two.>!! off, yes get off!

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Thank you for any help on these ...:D:D

:):rolleyes: seamo :rolleyes::)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starry Eyes :

......"I have done it a few times and I will try to explain how it works. Before the cruise, you call in and ask to redeem points for the slot play. On done, you should get an email showing the redemption and your NCL bill summary should have a CAS code in the promo code area. I take that stuff with me, just in case. On the cruise, you should receive paperwork in your cabin. go to the casino host desk and sign up for a CAS player card. take your card and the paperwork from the cabin to the casino cashier desk, wher they will place the $100 slot play credit on your player card and give you a passcode.

 

when ready to play, insert your player card in the slot and follow the instructions, including your passcode. You can transfer all or part of your $100 to the machine...I recommend transferring just a part of it (afterall, you may not like the machine or may be interrupted). Once you transfer credits on the machine, you must play those credits on that machine right then. Say you transfer $20 to a $1 slot machine...Playing $1 at a time, you must play at least 20 times...at that point you can cash out any winnings from those twenty plays (or you can keep playing). You can then transfer more credits that machine or move on to another or wait for another day.

 

I hope that helps..if not ask away. "

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Thanks for that answer/explanation .... now one more for you ... if you don't mind .... doing b2b2b and if we apply for

a slot credit ... will it end at THAT FIRST leg conclusion ??

Will it 'carry-over to the Others.??

Thanks.

assume it would require three separate card credits ... one for each of the three cruises.

thanks, :)seamo:)

jg51 Cool Cruiser :.........." Hello, "Seamo."

We just want to clarify a couple of things for you and other members.

 

1. What you were told over the phone was correct concerning pre-paying for an entire package. What was said about "rebates" and "prorated package pricing," however, may be misleading or (arguably) wrong.

 

2. It is permitted to cancel a pre-paid package on Embarkation Day, with a complete refund being credited to your account. We know this from personal experience. While there may be no such thing as a "rebate," per se, there is such a thing as a full refund.

 

3. It is permitted to purchase a package AFTER Embarkation Day -- in which case one does NOT have to pay the full amount (that would have had to be paid on, or prior to, Embarkation Day. Instead, one pays the prorated amount (number of nights left X per diem + service charge). We know this also from personal experience.

 

4. In fact, the same person who canceled a pre-paid package on Embarkation Day was able to purchase a new (reduced-price) package two or three days later. The original key-card (which had a package code on it) had to be turned in for a new one (lacking a code) on Embarkation Day. After the partial-cruise package was later purchased, a sticker was placed on the new card."

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Hi again,

Hey no problem with what .... "happened" with you. (When was this?-- things do change)--- but the thing I said was:

" As to the above; just off the phone with a tele-rep and her supervisor ... they said: " package is for the entire cruise.

Your charges will be the # cruise days X the Price/day of Package + 15% =s total charge to account.

 

No rebates or prorated package pricing!

 

Other questions I've read: Taxed by US or State if pre-ordered or ordered whilst ship is tied to dock.

The answer : False. No!

 

hope this is of some help

 

Seamo

I would like that YOU are correct ... nontheless I'm quoting what was said by a Supervisor after I asked the intro Rep for clarification from a higher authority ... like I said ..

"hope your version is correctorenno ... have a 13 TA and

was wanting to "twick" the bar bill.

PLEASE!!!!... this is just info input .... no bristles .... if you can update and verify that YOU are correct ... oh, please ...

my budget will and (me Too) have an immediate fondness

for you:);):)

best to all ..... Seamo

...tartantiara

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Originally Posted by Mgrmitch

If we wait until the next morning to purchase a drink package will they prorate?

Are we able to use on board credit at the time to purchase the drink packages? Thanks

Yes to both questions

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...:) ... Hi everyone,

Stellar job here .... and the Lists; WoW a "Cosmic size job" ... thank you!

As to the above; just off the phone with a tele-rep and her supervisor ... they said: " package is for the entire cruise.

Your charges will be the # cruise days X the Price/day of Package + 15% =s total charge to account.

No rebates or prorated package pricing!

Other questions I've read: Taxed by US or State if pre-ordered or ordered whilst ship is tied to dock.

The answer : False. No!

hope this is of some help

:)Seamo:)

:)HI

SNN-CC news events: dateline: Fl. USA. ... Miami-12/02/2012

 

copy: Ever want a Company to 'act' on your request?

A Florida couple may have found the KEY to success ... mis-identify the product!

Write a letter to the boss, ask for help and then refer to the "other guy's" moniker.

ie: touch base with MacD and refer to 'the Whopper'. Get those Corp. Heads spinning.

In this case, the couple wrote a major Cruise Line wanting to arrange their cruise(s).

That's right; the ship's name was .... "the other guys".

So how does it go down? Read on.

 

Top level phones them advising help is on the way. Unnamed sources claim their

letter spawned outbursts of smiling, laughter, and asides throughout the Executive Offices

culminating in a "directive- priority status": Correct the problem. Gain a customer.

 

SNN contacted the couple. In their words... " Made a h..l of a mistake calling that vessel

by an others' name. We were really worrying. This was a celebration of a first kiss that

happened 48 years ago. Guess you already know. They (sic)-cruise line) were so wonderful.

Everything is squared away just as we had hoped for and they ... gave ... us top end card

status for this entire trip. Impressed? You bet! How often you hear of regular folks

getting treated like this? Here, is a Cruiseline that cares ... and ... from the top!"

**Disclaimer: this report was filed by Seamo News Network . The contents of which are

figments of the authors imagination and could or could not be reflective of the truth. All

places, times, names and events are (or could be) fictional and any similarity to real or

existing entities is unintentional.

______This Report is to be read and understood as B.I.O.N. (believe it or not). _____

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Are WE HAPPY....? Everyone who goes b2b2b MUST BE HAPPY !!!

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We thank EVERYONE posting here, be it positive ++ / Neutral / negative-- ( and a few :rolleyes:off/the/topic)

Now WE know positively ...:D

and we DO hope this will help other cruisers ..... this trip IS LEGAL .......;)

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........................................... .....................SeaShark--

..................................Seanote

njhorseman++

..................................rvsullivan

..................................melbur

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sjnyc323++

.................................................................akesnana--

smeyer418++.

time2cruise1 ++

..................................my_crib_too

..................................P&Lcruising

mtwmpk++.

............ ..mtwingcpa+-

.................................edjack999

.................................................................billie5--

................................Family Travel Story

................................Cruzaholic41

davesgirl51++

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as we just want to get out on the water and ...SEAMO :) ... :)

. . . .SUPER THANK YOU TO CRUISE CRITIC ___ KISS...KISS

Thanks to everyone for all the posts and work as we (you) try to get a final resolution to this question ... is this b2b2b legal and (for us) more importantly ... Will we be able to make this cruise happen (?). We were away and missed a timely response to all the most recent posts .... know that we find all ... helpful and most interesting reads. Below is our letter to Kevin Sheehan. We will let you know what comes of it .... ;) :) ... ______________________________________________________________

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Kevin Sheehan, Chief Executive Officer

Norwegian Cruise Line

7665 Corporate Center Drive

Miami, FL 33139

Dear Mr. Sheehan:

We need your help.

“ Norwegian Cruise Line is the innovator in cruise travel with a 44-year history of breaking the boundaries of traditional cruising, most notably with the introduction of Freestyle Cruising which has revolutionized the industry by allowing guests more freedom and flexibility.”

We desire to complete a booking for a cruise with this Norwegian Cruise Line!

We need your help enabling us to book the ‘middle leg #2' of a 3 legged yet a Single cruise. (b2b2b). Our present status is that we have a Category suite MA/MB/MX booked for Legs 1 and 3 .

Embark the NCL Jewel of the Seas in Seattle on Sept. 15th, 2012. Final Disembarkation in Miami.

1: Seattle-Vancouver, 2: Vancouver-LA, 3: LA-Miami - “Distant foreign Port” of Cartagena, Columbia.

Our attorney opinion: “ an original embarkation in Seattle with a fully indicated intention and desire to make a final disembarkation in Miami , and having satisfied the Distant Foreign Port requirement, the tenets

of the PSVA/Jones Act have been adhered to, honored and satisfied. This Trip is a legal journey!”

We fully understand and appreciate the intent of the PSVA/Jones Act and see the possibility of an infringement should a passenger make a final disembark before Miami or the distant foreign port.

We further understand and completely appreciate that the Final Decision is that of the Cruise Line.

However, if that decision is based on the need to avoid a passenger willfully circumventing the Act, we swear that we shall act on and comply with any provision(s), request(s) or prohibition(s) NCL would need, want or feel required to enact. Ie: We will gladly post a cash bond to be forfeited for any breech regardless of cause; and agree to any and all Port disembark restrictions be it exclusion of temporary debark or sequestered status interim at a Port. We will enact and issue sworn guarantee of performance pledges.

Courteous NCL Reps have explained: “the computer system will not allow if the 1st and/or 2nd leg are shown together-the trip is not allowed; your boarding would be denied. You are allowed 1st+3 or 2nd+3. NO 1-2-3 ”

Kevin, we plead and beseech, invoke the feeling of the first paragraph. Help us be allowed to have

this NCL cruise from Seattle to Miami aboard the Jewel of The Seas. And after all I’m ½ Norwegian !!

Thank you for your time and for your consideration of our plea for help with this Grande NCL cruise!

Yours truly,

Seamo ++ tee-hee .... well that is our intent , ya know ,.... to ... Seamo!

FYI- I emailed the government and asked them:

 

 

I have a question about what is allowed or not allowed under the PVSA which is administered by CBP...can you ask the counsels office who is responsible for this to answer this specific question for a non-US flagged vessel

 

If I get on a cruise in Seattle and stay on for three segments(Seattle to Vancouver Vancouver to LA and LA to Miami-with a stop at a distant foreign port) to Miami-with a stop at a distant foreign port in South America-Is this permitted for a passenger(I know its ok for a crew member).

 

lets see what they say....

Have gone over + over all the posts (here+before) and we are now advocating the opposite sides

(positions) -- as if we were 'in court' .

We are calling/writing/emailing not only NCL but other lines asking: CAN YOU HELP YOUR CUSTOMERS ??????

---Not that stark, but as suggested here by several helpful posters.

If anyone gets an update ...we will be here .. thanks!!!!

:) Seamo :)

This is really a GREAT response .... thanks,

we are sitting here reading / checking sources / comparing

.... " interpretations " ...

Earlier it was said that the end point is what NCL will do ....

and then ... we read that in Oct/2011 this 3 legged cruise was

accomplished on NCL ship .

-----

So, try this interpretation and then cuss us off the board ...

We have booked leg 1 first .

We have booked leg 3 a month later --( a separate booking)

We will book leg 2 some time in future

OK --- 3 sepaerate cruises. 3 separate bookings.

We embark Seattle > debark Vancouver

We have courage drink, + return and embark Vancouver>debark LA

We have 2 courage drinks, + return and embark LA>debark Miami

Have 3 cruises contracted with three separate bookings.

Embark and disembark at end of a cruise.

Repeat 2 more times.

Your honor, surely --- THIS is legal!?

P.S. Our understanding is the fine is now $ 300.00 pp.

WHY DOES ___ A NCL REP __NOT___JUMP IN HERE ???

again , thank you all, ____ :) Seamo :)

Hello to all,!

We tossed and turned (dreaming) ... no one will answer ...

... they will all answer saying ... " your damned ". ...

they will all answer saying : " Rotate, you are ... Good to Go "

EVERYONE, yes, no or multiple choice. :) WE THANK YOU !!!

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by SeaShark ---- Today at 03:40 PM

We can all sit here and debate this until the cows come home, but as they say "the proof is in the pudding". I'll believe it is legal when somebody can book it.

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Today, 11:25 AM sjnyc323 sjnyc323 is offline Cool Cruiser

Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 1,607

**** sjnyc wrote:

" My friend just did the three trips back to back on the Pearl. Seattle to Vancouver. Vancouver to LA and LA to Miami this past September/ October. "

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The sjnyc post ( above ) adds some tangible proof that

( at the least ) that b2b2b CAN/was done. Can this friend join the Que?

[We read of someone who was already booked for this

(Seattle>Vancouver/Vancouver>LA/LA>Miami (stop in D.F.P.Cartenga)

and we hoped to connect with this CC member on completion.]

---- We got started with THIS by (?lucky?) chance ... booking that

leg 1 with a " group cruise Co. " ... later ... leg 3 was offered

and circumstances allowed our booking of that .... and

NOW, we are trying to add the cement of leg 2. ....... and then

----------- is it a cement foundation or cement booties %)!?!?

The interpretation appears to be the key. When on the Phone with

NCL, I felt the Rep did not 'GET' the Passenger ORIGINAL EMBARK -US(Seattle)

--- FINAL DISEMBARK US(Miami) FDP -Cartenga,Columbia.

She consulted W/Supervisor and came back with 1+3 ok. 2+3 ok.

1+2 Violates 1+2+3 Violates (because 0f 1 and/or 2).

So we are clewarly (spelling intentional) wondering WHICH interpretation will prevail --- for us.

Thanks again .. cause all we want is to get out to .. :) Seamo :)

Now we are REALLY scared.

Lived in Key West for 25 years and used to take

our sailboat out in front of 'White St. Pier' for

4th of July ... as the sun is just under the Horizon,

we jump off the stern for a refresh ... only the face masks

in hand ........... two minutes into that swim ... I urgently

encourage a retreat to the ladder .... Bull Shark ... I still

feel the tightening off my Transversus perinæi superficialis!

And until now ... actually experiencing this again ..

tee hee ...

o.k. we sit back , re think, re calculate ... and re late

to ... maybe a hole bitten in the middle of our B2B2B.

Ooooh ... that hurts.

thanks , :0 Seamo :)

This gentleman posted the link to the PVSA rules:

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njhorseman

5,000+ Club

Join Date: Jul 2007

Posts: 7,673

Originally Posted by luv4cruisin View Post

Some one who understands the Jones Act, please help me figure out if this is a violation. Sept 2012 on the Pearl I want to do:

The Seattle to Vancouver 7 day

then the Vancouver to LA 5 day Pacific Coastal

then the LA to MIA Panama Canal 14 day.

I'm pretty sure I can't do it, but NCL said I could. I just don't trust the "hourly" answers. If you know, please help!

The itinerary looks good to me, because the third leg includes a port call at Cartagena, Colombia, which qualifies as a Distant Foreign Port under the Passenger Vessel Services Act. (The PVSA, not the Jones Act is the law that applies to cruise ships.)

Last edited by njhorseman; June 8th, 2011 at 01:14 AM.

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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sharke View Post

We actually booked a B2B like this several yrs ago. We arranged the Seattle to Vancouver and Vancouver to LA. No problems when we booked but 2 wks later a NCL agent called and said we couldn't do it because of the Jones Act set way back in I think 1916. Can't remember the details, something about way back when protecting trading rights from country to country etc. So we cancelled both of the cruises since the attraction was following the coast. NCL wasn't too happy but we ended up finding a great deal on a repositioning cruise out of New York on the Dawn, to the Caribbean and ending in Miami. Sure would like that original itinery, though.

The third segment of the OP's cruise, from LA to Miami, makes the whole cruise itinerary legal under the PVSA (the Jones Act isn't for passenger cruise ships) because it calls at Cartagena, Colombia.

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Old June 8th, 2011, 01:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanote View Post

My best guess is you can't do the first two legs together. You can't travel from Seattle to LA without a stop at a distant foriegn port and Vancouver is not a distant foreign port. The second two legs together are ok, however.

Correct...and all three legs together, which is what the OP is doing is also legal.

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any updates , links etc ...??

Thank you, :) Seamo :)

SeaShark wrote: " Sorry to hear of your disappointment, but the NCL rep (why exactly is her name in quotes?) is correct...you cannot follow Seattle to Vancouver with a Vancouver to LA. Without a stop in a DISTANT foreign port, this is a violation and US law prohibits it.

No amount of pleading, arguing, discussing, "the people on Cruise Critic said...", etc is going to change that. Very sorry, but you can't do all three...in a row. "

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Name is in " " because ... she said : " Carol" in response to question from me: .... " and your name is ?"

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---- can you give us a place to verify ? Please.

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A long time member wrote:

Originally Posted by angelsonefive

I believe someone on this post already did. I have written the CBP for some clarification on this subject (MIA to SEA), being they are the ones to enforce the PVSA. If NCL had an intinerary that did MIA to SEA the OP's plan might fly, but it doesn't and that is where the PVSA comes into play. It will be interesting to see what the CBP has to say. This link might help it's a PDF from the CBP about the PVSA. http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/...t/pvsa_icp.pdf

OP these boards can be a wealth of information and misinformation, just because someone has thousands of posts or only one doesn't make them right. ..."

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We know these kinds of questions ... are not FUN ..

but we are only ... asking ... for help to sort this out ..

How do .. where do .. we go for .. ultimate clarification???

thanks,

wanting to :) Seamo :)

Hello all,

Just off the phone with "Carol" , a rep for NCL.

We asked: "Have booked on the same NCL ship (Jewel) :

.... .... 1.) Seattle to Vancouver and 3.) LA to Miami

and now want to ADD part 2.) Vancouver to LA ...... thus making a

B2B2B , 3 legged embark Seattle, Washington to final debark of Miami with a 'foreign distant port stop' ... in Cartenga, Columbia."

Carol said ... NO ... we persist ... No .. we quote the info given here .....A MILLION TIMES ..... NO. "

She goes to a higher authority ... NO!

She says: " By having the second part added ... Vancouver to LA ..

""""REGARDLESS"""" of the addition of LA to Miami ---- Which has the distant foreign port in Columbia .... ........ NO.

She says (this is NCL REP who has consulted for 5 minutes with

Superiors in booking and customs ) NO.

" In fact, if you have the part one and the part three booked , O.K ____ --- ____ BUT as soon as you try to add part two

Vancouver to LA ______ your are now in violation. NO!!!

She says we could change ships for Vancouver to LA but otherwise NO. -- she added ... " when (if) the booking comes up in NCL computers, ... THEY WILL BE SCRUBBED -- denied !!!"

O.K. Folks Helping here were ready to jump off the dock at the repetition of this ... subject. our apologies ... all around but HELP!

Where do we go from here????

Our T.A. says it is O.K.

Many posters ... here ... said ... " O.K." The Columbia does the trick!

Have the "Official downloads" provided by Cruisecritic members on this REPEAT topic --- in previous attempts for a .." can live with it " conclusion.

Quoted these to the NCL Rep ... "does not matter .. if you get on in Seattle and continue to LA you are NOW in violation and it matters not what the NEXT leg is or does or where it goes ... NO".

Forgive us this next bit : HELP HELP HELP HELP SOT SOT SOT

( Save our Trip ) ... and what the Hell ... SOS !!!!

["Blessed our those who seek the truth .... more Blessed are those whose "help" ... may give the Truth " .... seamo 11-3 :)

Thanks Cruise Critic and members,

just wanting to ... :) Seamo :)

Dave, the Retired Mustang and Krazy Kruizers,

We extend our 'Thank You' to both. The trans-Atlantic Ryandam is 21 days

Tampa-Rotterdam and whilst we are the "mature" sailors [who enjoy a little rowdy interlude here and there] ... we would prefer, most times, to live the 'gentile and calm' ... as we had when on the Zuiderdam (1/2 pan-am canal) and in a suite such Dave is now enjoying.

The string quartet made that trip a real treat.

Thank you again for the picture and the info.

waiting our chance to , Seamo

Good evening Dave and to your Lovely Wife,

Dave, we thank you ... 10+ ... for your unselfish, time consuming HELP of others ( mainly us lurkers -- awaiting our turn on Ryndam ). BRAVO!!! Really ... is GREAT HELP!!

A transatlantic repositioning is in our star charts ... and ... one of the strongest pulls to "make that happen " was a brochure we received that said the Ryndam has a

string group playing several times per day and AT THE DINING ROOM during dinner!!!

And ... they will be aboard on the trans-repositioning................

Is this true??? Any Pics of those folks ? ( pretty -- please ) Your Post is a reflection upon you ... and what a fine image it is ...!!! Thank You.

Seamo