Fury1995

FYI..

This sailing shows as a "4 Night Deadhead Repositioning Cruise" on my non-cancelled reservation. There are no ports but I can assume what one will be based on the name.

Sailed Sun Viking July 1980. 2 weeks Southern Caribbean out of Miami. Hard to beat that cruise. I still have the original passenger manifest.

Primary and authorized user with separate logins work if both have the offer and have it added to the individual cards. We just did this and have a total of $700 back.

13 minutes ago, Jerseygirl1416 said:

You need to make a separate  on line account for each card number. Maybe you’ll have to take one card off the linked account first?

Not necessarily. I have one login for 4 Amex cards, primary card holder for Gold, Everyday Preferred and Blue Cash Everyday and I am an AU on my hubby's Delta Skymiles.  All of MY primary cards show an offer of $200 off $500. It DID NOT Initially until I reloaded the offers by selecting several (like 25 or more) and then waited until a later login and then that offer showed up. Meanwhile, my hubby has a separate SINGLE login for his Delta Skymiles (that he is primary on and I am an AU on) which also accesses his issued Blue Cash Everyday, Everyday Preferred and Gold that he is an AU. All of his AU Amex cards have a different card number than my primary versions however we each only use one login. His offers were immediately showing $500 off $1500 for my BCE and EDP and nothing for his Delta Skymiles. 

I'm trying not to make this too confusing for anyone so forgive the extra details.

7 minutes ago, Rosy Season said:

Ok.  I tried that.  Now it's only showing me 85 offers...no RCI.  Boo!

Keep trying, I did it yesterday and then again today and then it showed.

Could you overpay by the amount of the deposit and request the refund to the card you want the charges reversed on? How about booking something extra for that amount, canceling and request the refund on that card?

I recommend if anyone received the $200/$500 offer, check your authorized users logins, we just discovered we had $500/$1500 on my BCE card under the authorized user login. Fortunately, we have both available now.

16 minutes ago, Rosy Season said:

How do you reload the offers?

Only 100 offers will be shown at any time.. but there are several more.. If you add a couple dozen offers to your card then log out and log back in, you will see more offers totaling 100 available again, excluding the ones you've already added.

47 minutes ago, Cruise Gopher said:

What specific AMEX card do you have that you got the offer on?

After going through the process of "reloading" the offers, it showed up on my Gold Card, Blue Cash Everyday and Everyday Preferred. 

4 hours ago, tomk3212 said:

@dahirsh Apologies!!!  I meant Cape Liberty!  I dunno where Port Elizabeth came from when I was writing this...lol

Easy mistake, Cape Liberty Cruise Port,  New Jersey.. Port Elizabeth, New Jersey. You got most of the words..

For anyone who does not see the offer, I did not have the offer either on any of my 3 Amex cards. I added multiple random offers (over 25 on each) logged out and logged back in and the offer appeared. Apparently, you have many more offers than you can see.. they rotate more once you have added some of the offers to your card to replace the ones selected. 

First question.. we booked a Junior Suite on deck 11 mid ship on the "hump". Are the hump cabins still preferred? 

Also, Voyager class was the largest class we've sailed previously. How private are the ocean view balconies on this class? Will we be interacting alot with the neighbors?

After 12 plus years hiatus, just booked Allure for November next year. The repositioning itinerary was to tempting to pass.

FIVE SEA DAYS!! Still doesn't seem like enough!

Got back from a 6 nighter on Carnival Horizon this past weekend and .. we'll, it was "FUN" but I know my roots.

So... I'll be crawling through the Royal board for tips and info and most likely some redundant questions so go easy.. it's been a while.

Thank you for sharing this. Very detailed. 

It seems the Bahamas is going to get extremely busy with all the changed itineraries, not just with Carnival. Likely more restrictions will come from the Bahamian government to protect their resident population as more itinerary changes are announced. I assume these discussions are have been taking place privately to accommodate the cruise lines but we haven't seen how the recent public announcements (and possibly future announcements) will be received by the citizens of the islands... 

Also scheduled to arrive in Bimini on day two then Half Moon Cay day three. I assume if the results of antigen test is presented at embarkation as required showing a negative result from a test taken within the 24 to 72 hours prior to sailing, that should suffice even if the first stop on day two is within the five day requirement and the second stop on day three is not?

3 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Took a passport renewal form to the Post Office today. Expedited, they say we will have it by Oct 26. Guess the next cruise is on a birth certificate. By appointment, many post offices can also take passport photos for $15.

On June 23rd, we applied for 3 renewals of expired passports witj one name change and 3 new passports and all but 1 have been received by mail with the last one just approved with an expected date of Aug 6 so that would be 6 total examples within 6 weeks using expedited service.

Off topic but we live in the same town... :p

LOL Awesome..

:D

Just read this reported today at CBS Miami.....

 

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MIAMI (CBSMiami) – A man who fell to his death while onboard Royal Caribbean’s “Oasis of the Seas” ship intentionally jumped off a balcony, according to the Broward Sheriff’s Office.

 

Bernardo and Eric Elbaz, who live in New York and have been married for about a year, had booked the cruise on the Oasis of the Seas to celebrate Eric’s 34th birthday.

 

Originally, Royal Caribbean said that crew members saw Bernardo Elbaz, 35, “intentionally going over the side of the ship” on November 6th around 1 a.m. Friday morning while the ship was about 17 miles from the Turks and Caicos.

 

“Our onboard security team responded to the guest’s stateroom after a neighboring guest complained about a domestic dispute on the guest’s balcony,” according to a second statement from the cruise line. “Our staff did not have a physical altercation with the guest and were unable to prevent his jumping from the stateroom balcony.”

 

Broward sheriff’s investigators say when the ship’s security went to the couple’s cabin regarding a domestic disturbance they found evidence of a physical altercation.

 

On cell phone video reviewed by detectives, Bernardo Elbaz can be heard declaring that he was planning to jump overboard. In the recording, he can be seen running towards the balcony alone. The video also shows Erick Elbaz running after him followed by the ship’s security staff.

 

Sheriff’s investigators said Bernardo Elbaz jumped down from his seventh floor balcony and struck the metal support for a lifeboat on the fifth floor. He clung to the ship as staff members tried to rescue him. He fell into the water moments later.

 

A dramatic video that was shot by a guest on their cell phone and put on social media, shows the final moments of Bernardo Elbaz’s life. He’s seen dangling off the side of a life boat davit as a crew member attempts to pull him to safety.

 

Elbaz then appears to lose his grip and falls to his death in the churning sea elow.

 

Mike Winkleman, an attorney for the Elbaz family, said he can’t believe that Bernardo really wanted to take his own life.

 

“It’s very clear in the video that he’s trying to hang on, this is very clearly someone who is not trying to commit suicide,” said Winkleman.

 

In a statement Monday, Royal Caribbean stood by their previous statements.

 

“We are aware that the facts we have provided differ from the attorney’s remarks, but we stand behind the information in our statements.

 

Our ship’s security officers responded to reports of domestic dispute loud enough to be heard from several staterooms away. The room was in a state of disarray, and both lamps in the room had been broken. Our officers interviewed the guests separately about their dispute, as is standard procedure. The officers were not in the room when the guest chose to jump off his balcony.

 

Our officers responded professionally and appropriately to the incident in the stateroom. In addition, other security officers and crew risked their own lives in an attempt to rescue the guest from the lifeboat rigging where he had fallen.”

 

Winkleman said it was Royal Caribbean crew members who instigated the situation that led to Elbaz’s death.

 

Personally, I'm not liking this lawyer so much. A man states he's going to jump overboard, yet the lawyer can't believe he actually did it? He also insinuates that the crew somehow made him jump overboard? Really? That's just ridiculous!

This sheds alot of light on the events that led to him going over the rail.. certainly. The BSO would not be making this statement unless there is audio/video proof.

I had a gut feeling that Mr. Elbaz (Eric) was not physically present when his husband left the balcony. I gather he was seperated from Bernardo, which is consistent with the statement made by RCI that the guests were interviewed seperately.

It was also reported their cell phones were taken by RCI staff and he had no access to his phone until today after rerieving them from the BSO. This would also be consistent with this new statement by authorities.

It's still loss of life and unfortunately related to one of our beloved pass times, cruising.

Although I am personally glad to know staff was not involved physically in Mr. Elbaz's death, I would still be interested in what initiated the events of the night that led up to his state of mind. A simple "who cares" doesn't satisfy me .. again, personally.

I have read your first two posts, and agree you are keeping an open mind. I did mention in one of my early posts (hopefully you will think I am keeping an open mind too) that I wondered if anyone else, like you, can relate to harrasment from a crew member.

 

You were however the first person to say phones were taken by the staff. That is a key point I will be watching for more info on. There is no way on earth, short of overwhelming physical force I would give up my phone, or in my case, camera to a crew member in that circumstance. (But perhaps a person could be intimidated into doing so) This is a key point though. I've never seen Royal do this in case of fires, or other ship emergencies.

This morning the attorney made this statement:

"I'm hoping that sheds further light on what actually occurred in that stateroom," Winkleman said. "After Bernardo had fallen into the water, they basically tackled (Bernardo's husband) Eric and ripped his phone from him, basically stealing his phone."

Winkleman said the victim and his husband were both recording video on their cell phones prior to the incident, and it may be key to showing what lead up to the fall.

He added that the Broward Sheriff's Office later returned the couple's phones when the ship arrived at Port Everglades on Saturday. The Broward Sheriff's Office is investigating the situation, and has so far not issued any blame.

That was what I thought , and while trivial to the case, you can't fall into a lifeboat. It sounds like something made up after the fact based on a perception of what lifeboats look like to someone who hasn't cruised recently (JMO)

I agree with this..

There is more to the story. Physically falling over the railing from a standing position on that balcony is nearly impossible.

There was another interesting tidbit. One passenger stated he saw the aftermath and there was a presence of blood visible on the lifeboat. In the video, when the ships lights are more evident.. there is something that appears to be a blood smear (to me) on the lifeboat bracket to the left of him.

If this is true, he may have been injured from the impact and added to the struggle of holding on. Or, added to the difficulty of the crew member trying to hold onto him.

We have sailed with both gay and lesbian couples and never once have I seen them treated any differently than any other passenger. I would think that crew members would be nice to everyone seeing as how they depend on tips for their livelihood.

 

My heart goes out to the family for their loss and I hope they find answers to what really happened.

People who have experience harassment or discrimination normally don't have witnesses. That's why it often must be proven.

People who discriminate or harrass often do so in a manner that is not seen by those for whom it is not intended. It's just the nature of the act.

Some of the best life experiences I've had were on both cruiselines.

And... all of the best vacations I've had were on cruise ships.

There are many things that comprise of which cruiseline is better for a particular cruiser but to place rank of one over another for all cruisers is not a fair judgement.

Walmart.. as an adjective?

Having other people around filming what was going on makes 100% sense. People have posted on ship fight videos.

 

And I would almost expect more than the one film that was on youtube exists- she would not be the only one who would reach for a recording device.

 

I'm just thinking about the people directly involved. Especially both.

 

I guess one of them recording the time the staff (which I'm assuming is security) knocks on the door- it's possible that he recorded that to keep a record of it- but that would also mean he recorded his husband going out and over the railing (sound only, realistically).

 

But the victim- I'm not sure what part of this he would have recorded.

 

Rationally thinking with 20/20 hindsight- IF I were recording a harassment issue, I would be planning on using that to punish the harasser... Which would put me in a totally different mindset, I *rationally* think.

There is a second and third video already out there..

You're right. I wonder how many more there are.

The other one I've seen is shorter in duration and is filmed forward of the lifeboat. You can see his feet dangling and not much to hold on to. You can also see just how far away his reach is from the crew member holding onto his left hand.

I want to keep an open mind as well, but does it make sense that both men have a video recording of events? Some events, perhaps. It would make sense to document harassment. But what else would be recorded? To me, in the heat of a moment, I can't see picking up my phone and taping an argument that I am in. Seems like most of those are of bystanders recording what is going on...

 

If indeed true, hopefully the phones had tough enough locks on them not to be tampered with.

True, but we see this more often now in the news. People involved in the actual event being filmed or doing the filming without an expectation of have truly tragic outcomes.

People often film situations they deem dangerous as a deterrent to their perceived threat.

We have the video of the person above filming someone's fall to their death when the outcome wasn't determined yet. She grabbed her cell phone... she probably thought she would be filming a rescue, not a fall.