Fido Chuckwagon

Trying to get your kids second dose 17 days after the first one instead of the full 3 weeks just so you can make a cruise is a really bad idea.  Those doses are spaced out for a reason.  One of the reasons moderna may be more effective then pfizer is because of the 4 week gap instead of the 3 week gap.  You definitely shoudln’t be trying to shorten that gap just to go on a vacation.

Royal should just charge $10,000 per test and solve the problem of anti-vaxxers ruining the cruise for everyone else.

3 hours ago, rtazz17 said:

If you are vaccinated you dont have any worries. Can we please get by this. I work in health care as a career. Get your information from credible sources. What I stated is fact. Not 1 documented case of a person who is vaccinated dying from covid. Please, dont listen to the tabloid news. Search out true science.You cant live your life in fear. Far greater risks in life that you take daily without thinking about it.

What about all the poor, impoverished countries that the cruise ships will visit that lag far behind in the US in vaccinations?   Unvaccinated selfish cruisers will literally have blood on their hands.  

1 hour ago, BirdTravels said:

he vaccine prevents you from getting seriously ill WHEN you catch Covid. It does not prevent you from catching it. 

This is not what all the studies are showing at all.  The vaccines are absolutely preventing transmission.  But hey, you dont even need the studies to see that is true at this point.  Just look at countries like the US which have a very high vaccination rate where cases are falling off a cliff versus other countries with low or no vaccination rates where they are not.  

6 hours ago, Brucemcdou said:

They've been using these on cruises the past year so they have it down.  My understanding is that if you can't/don't want to wear it on your wrist, they can pin it to your clothes or something else.  Sort of like the original fitbits.  Similar technology has also been used in Singapore which has allowed them to do very efficient and targeted contact tracing so they've avoided huge lockdowns.  

 

Personally glad to see this, will vastly simplify contact tracing and minimize the number of passengers who need to be quarantined if there's any infections during a cruise.  

 

[On edit] I wonder if they're only doing this on the cruises that don't require 95% vaccination?  that would make sense - no need for them if everyone is vaccinated but very much a need if not everyone is?

Can you also use it as a room key and to charge to your account for onboard purchases?  That would be neat, kind of like magicbands at Disney World.  

9 hours ago, grandgeezer said:

Who says they would go back? Relocating all those ships isn't that easy and would be expensive. 

Even better then.  

On 5/15/2021 at 7:55 AM, SUSIEK said:

No reason why a cruise line couldn’t have a ship that requires passengers be vaccinated.  Have other ships not require. 🤔 

 

Except allowing smoking doesn't run the risk of the cruise having a smoking outbreak, having trouble returning to port, having people die, and becoming and international PR disaster.  

On 5/15/2021 at 12:34 AM, 3kidsncats said:

I wouldn’t sail on a cruise in the next 6 months under this plan.  Seems like a ripe environment for people to fight, people to disregard the policies, etc. I think cruise lines are better off doing vaccine required cruises from ports that won’t cause a big legal showdown.  I don’t think it will take long for pressure to build in FL, for an exclusion for cruise lines.  Too many depend on the industry.

Seems pretty easy for me for RCCL to leave from NJ, Maryland, and elsewhere until FL rescinds this law.  As a NY resident, I think this is great.  I'm eagerly awaiting fully vaccinated cruises leaving from my science believing state.  Also, foreign countries have had vaccine requirements to enter for decades.  The idea that cruises are impinging on "freedoms" because they don't want to risk someone bringing a highly infectious disease onboard is ludicrous.  Kudos to the cruise lines for standing up to ignorance.

18 minutes ago, LXA350 said:

At this stage if someone can't get vacinated because of "health" conditions

Anyone claiming the can’t get the vaccine because of health conditions at this point is almost certainly lying, or their doctor is dumb.  My MIL who has lupus, cancer, is living on a transplanted kidney, and takes a daily regimen of tons of immunosuppressants because of the transplant and the lupus got one.  If she, with all of those disorders, including the immune system issues, gets one, then everyone can get one.  The only real issue is whether or not a vaccine is effective and works in a person like her, not whether it is safe to take it.

On 3/15/2021 at 10:40 AM, Sky616 said:

39 year old healthy woman from Utah died last week.

This morning someone ate a tuna fish sandwich and then dropped dead of a heart attack hours later.  We really all need to stop eating Tuna Fish Sandwiches, they can kill you!

On 3/11/2021 at 7:57 AM, CILCIANRQTS said:

Because it’s a trendy vanity item.

Every person that eats it spends the next 3 months bragging about it to their friends!

To put it in cruising terms, it’s like paying $800 to rent a small tent - sorry..cabana - on a private island. Most are not doing it for the shelter, they’re buying bragging rights for the next 3 years every time they talk about their cruise.

There are plenty of us who don’t eat red meat for health reasons but enjoy impossible or beyond meat.  It has nothing to do with what you’ve posted.  

1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Under your scenario, I would go; IF and only IF there was NO mask mandate on board and NO distancing measures. 

 I can maybe understand the no mask mandate, but why on earth would you care if there are distancing measures?  

1 hour ago, NavyCruiser said:

Let's say RCCL got 100% of their crew vaccinated, & restarts cruising by June 1st.  They also requires 100% of the passengers to have a Covid Vaccine before sailing, will you get Vaccinated & are you willing to go cruising then...?

The only requirement are passports & vaccination card showing you're "fully vaccinated" (at least 2 weeks after your 2nd shot).

 

With our local communities getting to phase 1C to have vaccinations avail to all 16+ without conditions starting this coming week, things are looking better.

Please Let's not get into the intricate details & political statements. 

Just a simple poll to see if you're finally comfortable being full vaccinated to start going on cruises with other fully vaccinated people soon...

What about children under the age of 16?  In this hypothetical are we assuming that they are not allowed onboard?

20 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

The more I read it the more I think that only people 16 and over will be allowed to sail out of Israel. You can't make the statement that you have fully vaccinated sailings if there are unvaccinated people (kids) on board. 

 

"Royal Caribbean will be the first to offer fully vaccinated sailings, where both crew and guests above the age of 16 will be vaccinated against COVID-19"

Yeah but wouldn’t they just say then “Royal Caribbean will be the first to offer fully vaccinated sailings, where both crew and guests will be vaccinated against COVID-19?”

On 12/22/2020 at 3:35 PM, LongHill44 said:

Sad news

 

https://www.aol.com/finance/cruise-industry-won-t-return-113723185.html

 Sounds like sad news if you're a stockholder or executive, but good news if you're a cruiser, from the article:

“It's a very concentrated industry at the top with Royal Caribbean, and Carnival, and Norwegian having a very high market share. It doesn't really leave much room for consolidation. But you may see some significant capacity come out of service. And I think prices will stay low for quite some time.”

On 12/2/2020 at 10:03 AM, eroller said:

This of course means a full year without a revenue cruise.  Who would have thought that last March?  

Everyone who was paying attention. 

32 minutes ago, Sheshefran said:

If 50% of the people who get the vaccine become immune then that is a whole lot of people who are no longer spreading the virus.   

So?  You need approximately 94 percent population immunity to interrupt the chain of transmission.  

3 minutes ago, JAMESCC said:

Well a good effective and safe vaccine will definitely help. Anything that knocks the mortality rate down especially for those at risk will really help get past this. I read about a widely available steroid that might be just that. We can get the death rate down to near zero this will pass and become just another virus.

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The death rate gets all the top line media, but there are also an even greater number of people reporting to be surviving but with lifelong major damage to their lungs, other organs, etc.  Just getting this and surviving can shave years or a decade or more off your life.  It's unlikely this becomes "just another virus" anytime soon.

11 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said:

If I've had the vaccine, then there is no need for me to wear a mask or practice social distancing.

Absolutely false.  All indications are that these early vaccines will at best be something like the flu shot.  Effective at perhaps stopping infections in 50 percent of cases and/or reducing the severity of the illness and/or reducing the mortality rate of those who contract it.  You'll still almost certainly be able to contract and spread it.  You will have to wear a mask and social distance.  That's just going to be the reality of the situation, likely for years.  This isn't going to be like the measles vaccine where you get two shots and you're protected for life.

3 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I think Carnival is in better financial condition than most of the other major cruise lines.  From everything I've seen, NCLH is in the worst condition and will likely be the first of the major cruise lines to go belly up.

It may be the first, but it won't be the last.

16 hours ago, RocketMan275 said:

This action by CDC is the equivalent of what we used to, in the Military, refer to as a "Warning Order", ie, "Be Prepared to...".  And, no, it isn't a promise that there will be a vaccine by 1 Nov but it is an indication that CDC is planning that there might be one.  All in all, this is a very positive development.  

 

A vaccine is the one way many of us might consider cruising again.  We will not embark on a cruise with the proposed protocols, ie, masks, social distancing, etc., in place.  

Hate to break it to you, but even with a vaccine, those protocols will still need to be in place for some time.

On 8/20/2020 at 6:13 AM, david_sobe said:

I spoke with my NCL PCC last week and she told me that NCL will resume cruising in November. 

9 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

You don't have "access to rapid testing", the cruise line invests and buys a set of rapid test machines. The 7 days is because local test centers do not have any test equipment. All they do is connect samples. They package their samples and ship them off to labs... which incur time to ship and then a backlog in processing. 

 

Other example: While some locations use hand scanner thermometers to check employees entering their buildings, causing long lines of non-socially distant people, other office buildings have invested in thermal scanning cameras where you walk through  and get scanned with little or no delay. 

 

 

If it was a simple as "the cruise line buys them" then they would be everywhere.  There are shortages of every component for those quick test machines and more importantly there are massive shortages of the precursors used to make them run.  If we had a national testing strategy and had implemented wartime measures for production and procurement of those materials and precursors than maybe this would work.  But we haven't, and it won't.  They're also not that accurate (See Governor of Ohio last week for a high profile example), but they certainly would be better than nothing.

2 hours ago, martinchem said:

I guess it could work if they retest for covid every other day

All that will do is let the cruise line watch as it spreads throughout the ship.  Better than nothing, but won’t stop it.

2 hours ago, oteixeira said:

Again, this whole notion of sailing without covid is just wrong headed.  The correct question is how will the cruise line handle it WHEN there is a positive case, because there will be.  I trust the the big 3 will have this figured out before cruising starts back up (and my guess is the CDC will require it).

It’s really not possible and is why cruising is dead as an industry.  It’s a highly infectious and dangerous disease and cruising is a medium where disease spread like wildfire.  FFS a cruise ship with only 67 people in Alaska couldn’t even cruise without a positive case on their first cruise!