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    YC Tips

    in MSC Cruises

    Posted · Edited by Bgwest

    10 hours ago, bucfan2 said:

    Appreciate ya posting that.  Dishonestly obviously doesn't apply to tipping ahead, but inducement certainly does.  We tip on service received, not anticipated service to come.

    Big difference.    
     

     

     

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    YC Tips

    in MSC Cruises

    Posted

    5 hours ago, bucfan2 said:

    I refer to 'tipping ahead' as bribing. 

    Nothing to see here folks. 

     

    Bribe

    Dictionary
    Definitions from Oxford Languages 
    verb
    1. dishonestly persuade (someone) to act in one's favour by a gift of money or other inducement.
      "they attempted to bribe opponents into losing"
       
      noun
      a sum of money or other inducement offered or given to bribe someone.
      "lawmakers were caught accepting bribes to bring in legalized gambling"
       
       
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    Is this a new Gratuities policy?

    in Princess Cruises

    Posted

    13 hours ago, ldubs said:

    Would you be willing to replace the current system with an increase in cruise fares that will likely be more than the current fare + gratuity?  

    Yes. Absolutely.

     

    More than “current fare + gratuity”. Why would that be? Please elaborate. 

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    Is this a new Gratuities policy?

    in Princess Cruises

    Posted

    1 hour ago, PMGS247 said:

    The system stinks, but it is the system, and if you know how it works, you realize removing the DSC is just short changing the crew,

    As another poster so adroitly put it, it’s the cruise line that is short changing the crew and shifting blame to the passengers. 

    If the cruise lines would simply do the right thing and pay THEIR employees a living wage and dispense with this mindless shell game, there are many (most) who would pay the fare and go on with life. And could then tip for extraordinary service. 

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    Is this a new Gratuities policy?

    in Princess Cruises

    Posted

    32 minutes ago, Mark_K said:

    From the Princess terms and conditions of employment:

     

    Nonetheless, to the extent passengers follow the suggested contribution guidelines in whole or in part, or deliver their contribution to the Company or directly to any crew member(s), each and every crew member agrees that any such contribution is not his personal wage, but rather a contribution to the Discretionary Hotel and Dining Charge Pool (the “Pool”).  Each and every crew member also agrees to deliver any such voluntary passenger contribution he or she receives from any passenger under any circumstances to the Pool immediately upon receipt of the contribution from the passenger

    Dated information. 

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    Is this a new Gratuities policy?

    in Princess Cruises

    Posted

    31 minutes ago, Yehootu said:

     

    Awhile back I handed an envelope to our waiter and assistant and they wanted our cabin number. I asked "why". They told us that if we had opted out of the added gratuities, they were obligated to turn over the cash to be pooled. I now just put my cabin number on the tip if I'm giving an envelope. This last cruise there was a lot of crew turnover. I gave crew members leaving separate tips and said it wasn't a tip, but me buying them a drink before their flight.

    Please define:a while back

     

    This clearly was the case in recent history but no longer. The current reality is described in post #20. 

    Is this a new Gratuities policy?

    in Princess Cruises

    Posted

    35 minutes ago, cruising.mark.uk said:

    I think you'll find that, for every organisation in the world that has customers and staff, it is the customers who are paying the staff.  Where other than from its customers do you think a cruise line should obtain the funds by which it compensates its crew?

    Nonsense.  
    Let them pay THEIR employees a decent wage. Period. And consequently adjust the cruise fare to suit. 
    Then if a customer CHOOSES to tip, said tip is a reward for exemplary service and is above and beyond their full base salary.
    NOT a scam whereby the cruiseline shirks the responsibility to pay THEIR employees and try’s to shift THEIR responsibility to the passenger. 

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    Is this a new Gratuities policy?

    in Princess Cruises

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, dog said:

    Timely post.

    My 15 day TA crew appreciable is $21 pp CAD per day.

    I’ve been struggling to decide whether we should purchase the Plus package to have CA included or give the $21 pp/ per day directly to crew who we have contact with?

     

    Opened a can of worms?

    The Plus and Premier packages are how Princess disguises the method by which they shift THEIR crew payment obligations to their customers (us). 
    They think they are being so clever. 
     

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    Is this a new Gratuities policy?

    in Princess Cruises

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Kineticoh20 said:

    Read this on Princess site....

    "All of the Crew Appreciation and Service Charge payments made by all guests on all ships in our fleet are pooled, net of credit card transaction fees. The pooled funds are distributed throughout the year in the form of compensation, including bonuses, to crewmembers fleetwide who interact directly with guests and/or behind the scenes throughout every cruise, including those in the Bar, Dining, Entertainment, Housekeeping, Guest Services, Galley and Onboard Revenue areas."

    What troubled me was the term compensation as opposed to tip on top of compensation. Is anyone else reading it as it's part of thier regular pay? Throughout the year? That is odd language too.

     

    Why is this surprising? “Crew Appreciation” (gratuities) is NOT a guest’s tipping the crew to show gratitude for a job well done. 
    Instead of the cruise line paying THEIR employees a decent wage, they instead pay a substandard wage and look to their customers (us) to make up the shortfall THEY CREATED by way of the scheme they’ve devised and have cleverly disguised by using the ever so soft and cuddly phrase “crew appreciation”. 

    I can only imagine the reaction of my customers if on every invoice I send I added a gratuities line item geared to make up for my stiffing my employees on every paycheck they receive. 
     

    There outta be a law. A the saying goes. 

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