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1 minute ago, zitsky said:

 

What I read is that YOU have standards.  You just don't like OUR standards.

 

And you know, I WISH I could shut down this discussion.  But it doesn't work like that.  No one person (except the mods) gets to decide when a discussion is shut down or when it continues.

What I've gathered from this is that several people have several differing standards. There have been people who have agreed and disagreed, with varying levels of both sides, with what I am presenting as my opinion. It is unrealistic to think that my approach will allow for all parties to agree, but from what this thread has shown me the gist of things is do what makes you comfortable, be more cognizant of the breadth of opinions that exist, and that it is practically not feasible to appease everyone in the matter.

I disagree with your statement of disliking "our" standards, as those standards vary from person to person. While I have gotten negative responses, the majority have been positive/agreeable/ accepting, and while I now better understand the aspect of dressing to help elevate the experience of others, there's only so much you can do before it detracts from your own experience. I would prefer to be comfortable and acceptable to the majority of people than packing additional clothing I may not find as comfortable to be accepted by others, as that begins to detract from my own dining experience.

5 hours ago, Guppy99 said:

I s this your first cruise ? You know  on a 12 cruise there are a few "chic" nights where people dress up nicer than the usual resort casual.  if you search "chic" you will see dozens of threads arguing about what chic means? (they used to be called formal and people used to dress in tuxes/dinner jackets and gowns). Those days are gone. However, on those evenings you will see a lot of jackets/suits and long sleeve button down shirts.  The time of year and itinerary matters how people pack too.

BTW....the picture above is a brand new black T and trim chinos.  The look changes a lot if the tshirt is faded or stretched out, and the chinos are baggy and too long or worn with dirty sneakers. So, you have to your use your own judgment.  If you are staying in a suite, you might want to spring for a few new shirts before going. 

This is not my first cruise, but first lengthier one where I would have to think about how much packing I am planning on doing for the trip, instead of a 7 day where it's pretty easy to pack a normal and nice shirt for every day. All of my shirts are new and the pants are nice, but the baggy / faded applies to all clothes -- I would think much less of someone in an ill fitting, faded suit and tie than in a well fitted one, so really again I was trying to clarify if those items of clothing were agreeable. Most people wouldn't add that caveat to their comment if I said I was wearing a suit, and yet when I ask about wearing relatively casual clothes all of a sudden people's minds leap to me rolling into Luminae on Chic night looking like I just finished doing an afternoon of yard work. While I understand there is a thinner line of acceptability between casual clothing to clothing that is too casual, it's pretty eye opening to see the mindset people have about different outfits on this spectrum. Again I do understand why it is easier to view a casual outfit as a slippery slope to a trashy one, it's not one that ever occurred to me as I've generally found people do their best to be as presentable as possible in the class of dress they are in. At least in the circles that I tend to associate with.

1 hour ago, zitsky said:

Should there be no rules at all then?  I can wear a tshirt to the MDR that says F***U on it?

Similar to what I was trying to say in a previous reply and in this one: that's such an extreme example that you should know it to be disingenuous. Generally, examples like these tend to shut down discussion, not foster it. 

I will say, I am still learning from this thread despite the difference of opinions. From what I've gathered, what I usually wear is fine, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some collars. And, on my next cruise (or special dining occasion), start paying attention to people around me and see what they're wearing to see how it personally changes how I view my dining experience so I can better understand where everyone is coming from.

Appreciate all the responses, so far I've definitely gotten to understand more of where everyone is coming from. Above are examples of what I mean between what I tend to wear, and how to me it seems like a trivial difference. I am seeing several examples of "incorrect" behavior being quite extreme however, as I would understand the issues with someone not showering and being smellable, as well as someone with a ripped shirt or sweats showing up. However, when it comes to the vast majority of people you all would generally prefer to associate with, they have their heads on straight and would get 90% of the "way there". 

I guess my question is this. If someone comes into the MDR in the different outfits, how do you feel about each outfit? What about a specialty restaurant? What about Luminae? I know these are a few situations and the answer may be the same for all three, but I'm planning on going on an Edge class in an SS soon and will have to rethink my wardrobe choices if those of you with more experience do feel there is a significant difference, as for a 12 day cruise I would have to either get laundry done (not the end of the world) or pack mostly one or another type of shirt. Also not the end of the world, but this 22 year old does not own that many collared shirts yet!

I don't mean to come across as argumentative or goading in any way; it's not a conversation I've really ever had with people who have an opinion and experience on the matter. Any input or further discussion would be greatly appreciated!

30 minutes ago, zitsky said:

 

When you say "Oh I should dress nicer."  What do you mean by that?  Were you wearing sweat pants and a ripped tshirt to a nice restaurant?

My go-to outfit generally is a pair of chinos and a black t-shirt, which I've found to generally be versatile enough depending on where I am dining -- if its nicer, ill throw on a polo shirt instead. So by no means am I dressing like a slob, but I feel like if I'm well put together and dressing like a normal, well adjusted person the existence of a collar on my black polo vs the lack of one on my black t shirt shouldn't make a huge difference. I'm also in the military, so that's probably another reason why dress codes aren't too out there for me -- we wear everything from camos to dress blues multiple times a week, and when you're wearing a tie to work twice a week but then an entirely different uniform the other 3 days, you definitely become desensitized to the importance of wearing that tie when it comes to real life.

Genuinely wondering since I'm part of a younger demographic than almost anyone else on this board, I'd imagine (I'm 22). Why does it matter what other people are wearing? I never notice those around me or am bothered by what they're wearing if they walk past and I do notice, and I feel like I am at a restaurant to dine and enjoy the culinary experience, not to people watch. I've asked some other people my age this as well and never got a real good answer in my opinion. This most recently came up when we went to a $250 a person steakhouse and I realized right as we were about to leave "oh I should probably dress nicer", but at the end of the day, who would it benefit (or detract from) except for me and the people I am going to dinner with? Is this just something that was more "taught" before my generation came around?

Update to the update -- Called in and was able to find that in all, BCC was willing to comp a third person on the sky suite, or $9,000 off the total cost of the cabin. Also, they were willing to upgrade me to Sapphire so I will be getting the $2,140 in free play.

For those in the future browsing this thread, here are my stats and what I have been told I will receive:

First and only cruise so far with Celebrity

97,200 points earned over 7 nights

$200-300 per round of Blackjack (started the week at $50x1 and ended at $300x2, I'd say the majority of my play was at $200 per round or greater with usually $200 per spot 2 spots per round)

41.08 hours -- $12,162 total theo loss

Future promo play on next cruise -- $1,070 in free chips

Comp Sky Suite on any Ship, Destination, Length (except Beyond is Veranda due to being new)

Was able to find the stats via emailing BCC and asking, was able to find out promo play through calling BCC and having them ask the host on the cruise I just got off of. Called 4 days after cruise, received reply with promo play numbers 7 days after the call.

Does this line up (roughly) with what others have gotten?

Update -- the person I contacted through BCC phone line got in contact with the host on my last sailing and was able to calculate my next cruise's free play... $1,070. Nothing to laugh at but also definitely much less than I was hoping. Thanks for the info everyone!

Got off the Reflection two weeks ago, we were at 1165 guests against ~900 crew

That's good to hear. Were you able to find out before you got onboard at all, or was it after? I'm not sure if it's worth carving time out of my schedule to go on a cruise since I wasn't planning on it, but since that's the first real number I've heard it'll make it easier to go

I've been scouring the forums and the internet for a straight answer, but it doesn't seem anyone has posted it -- I know all the stats from my last cruise from the Casino Host except for how much promo play I can expect on the next cruise. On my most recent one I wagered around $750,000 and gained some 90,000+ points on the Cruise, almost entirely on Blackjack and going from 0 points to near Sapphire in one go. Does anyone know how this would translate into promo play?

For those curious, I did call into the BCC and they did provide me with future offers of a Sky Suite on any future cruise -- any ship, any length, any time, with only taxes and fees to be paid.

Great review so far! Might also be doing a Sky Suite on an Edge class later this Spring so this is definitely useful for me