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Just our experience after 50+ cruises:

If you want to be one of the first people on the ship, check in on-line just after midnight the first day that check in is available - you can probably get the "10:30 AM" slot.  You'll arrive with hundreds of other people (SOME of whom have the earliest check in times, some of whom are trying to beat the system...).  Probably wait outside the terminal for a while, then wait in the X-ray line, then wait in the line to check in at the counter, then wait in the "holding area" until your group is called, then you can walk onto the ship (and wait another hour or two on the ship until your cabin is ready).  I'm not criticizing this system, just sharing our observations having done it many times.  These days, unless you are a suite guest, you'll simply wait with everyone else who has the same boarding time.  You get a few hours of "ship time" ahead of the the people with the later check in times.  (Of course some things like the stores, the casino, etc. aren't open until the ship sets sail in the early evening...)

For various reasons, we have also had the "1:30" (or later) check in time.  No lines - no waiting.  Walked right into the terminal, walked right through X-ray, walked up to the (empty) counter and walked right onto the ship (and right to our cabin).  There is something to be said for waiting a couple of hours for the crowds to clear - particularly if the cruise is longer than just a few days and a few hours of added "ship time" really doesn't make much of a difference.  I'd say that if you're not a fan of crowds (and waiting), just arrive in the early afternoon - even if you have an earlier check in time.

~Bob

Typing this from a hotel room in Barcelona where I'm unexpectedly adding days (number to be determined....) to my vacation.  Was on the Pride for 26 days (from Tampa, 16 day transatlantic cruise, then back-to-back in Barcelona for 10 more days in Europe...).  About 8 hours before our final docking in Barcelona I started to feel a little warm... 😞  We docked Thursday (5/19) stayed one night in Barcelona, flight home was Friday evening.  We had scheduled our COVID tests at the airport a few hours before the flight as Spain requires a negative test to be with 24 hours of flying to leave the country.  I had taken a home test (we brought several with us) on Friday morning at the hotel in Barcelona as I was pretty sure that I'd be positive and wanted to plan for that.  Sure enough, tested positive on the home test and again at the airport; my wife tested negative and she flew back alone.  I had mostly cold-like symptoms and an occasional low-grade fever.

Absolutely ZERO support or assistance with a positive test result from either the test center or the airline check-in desk; you're simply denied boarding and you're on your own until you can test negative and then book a new flight...[FYI - a last-minute hotel room in Barcelona for an open-ended number of days is not cheap; our choice not to buy COVID insurance and I fully accept that risk, but the uncertainty of the stay and the lack of info is frustrating. I booked 5 nights that morning, but that may be optimistic...]  Curiously, there were crew members from the Pride that had been quite visible during the start of our vacation that "disappeared" for a number of days and then showed up again (entertainers, etc.) - no mention / explanation of this at all by the ship staff...  One of the musical "trios" became a "duet" for most of  one week...  Anyway it's still a risk of traveling - even for people with 3 shots and a negative test when they get on the ship (for this trip they even tested everyone for COVID at the pier in Tampa immediately before the initial boarding...)  More of an adventure than I was looking for; long answer to your short question, but I doubt that this experience is unique to the Pride...

Our thoughts having just completed a RCCL cruise (Anthem) a couple of weeks ago and having been on 20+ Carnival cruises...

1. Cabin - Balcony cabin on RCCL was much nicer than our balcony cabins on Carnival.  The outside door is a sliding door (which can be easily left open...), you walk out into the center of the balcony - chairs on either side.  The chairs recline and have foot rests that slide under the chairs when not used - much better than the set up on Carnival.  The shower had a clear plastic surround (not like the Carnival shower curtain that loves to give you hugs in the shower...).  The TV was bigger, newer and nicer and was on the wall opposite the bed - easy viewing. (A few more channels than Carnival, but still not "many" choices...)  Twice a day room service is still the RCCL norm - on our most recent Carnival cruises a couple of months ago we were told by the steward that, "...because of COVID..." they could only clean the room once a day... ?!

2. Dining - Our experience was that the RCCL main dining room food (we never ate in the specialty restaurants) was on par with Carnival.  The dining room itself was much nicer - not the cavernous space that is the norm on Carnival; RCCL dining rooms were much more "broken up" and quainter  (just our opinion).  Huge down-side with RCCL, however, is that with "anytime dining" you have to make a reservation on the app and, if you don't make your reservations as soon as you can (i.e., as soon as you walk on the ship day 1...), you may find, as we did, that trying to reserve a table for the same day only has options for late dining (8:15 or even later...); reserving on the RCCL app is more convenient than milling outside the restaurant and constantly re-checking your phone with anytime dining on Carnival, but frustrating when you'd like to sit down for an early dinner...  We thought the RCCL buffet was equal to Carnival  (maybe even a little better on RCCL); we had also purchased the soda package and having the self-serve Coke (!) machines around the ship made for super convenient re-filling of the insulated mugs they give you.

3. Entertainment - No comparison.  (We were on an Oasis-class RCCL ship that has a huge show room).  The production shows here were outstanding - 20+ performers with a live band of 8 or so musicians - Carnival's shows are a pale comparison.  The Two70 venue (at the aft of the ship) is an impressive show venue as well, though you need to be there early to get the relatively few seats with excellent views.

4. Casino - Carnival is much better here.  My sense is that RCCL doesn't really cater to a gambling crowd; all of the table games have $10 minimums, even though our sailing had just over 3,000 passengers, the casino was mostly empty except for a few hours after-dinner.  The table game payouts are also different than Carnivals - the casino experience is not a reason that I'd pick RCCL.

5. Overall experience - Our sense is that, if you're a fan of these mega-ships, Carnival is a pale comparison.  There were many lounges, bars, etc. that had much more character than the Carnival ships; a bigger variety of things to do on the pool deck, etc. (The center section of the pool deck can be covered with a retractable roof if the weather is poor.)  We did go to a bunch of the "activities" - Trivia is much better on Carnival, for example.  Also, there was a "necklace making" activity one day that my wife wanted to go to, (the same activity on a different cruise line a few weeks ago was totally free), the one on RCCL had a $7 "fee"... (we passed).

Our overall impression was that, if the price was comparable, we'd sail with RCCL again, but we're very happy with the current price point for our Carnival cruises (11 more coming up this year...)

Just got off the Vista Nov. 20 (2 back to back cruises).  Did see "Bacation" signs outside the dining room at the buffet some days, though we ate breakfast/brunch in the dining room every day and bacon was available there (as has been mentioned...)

~Bob

My experience having completed about a dozen or so cruises through the casino:

First, I've NEVER had a phone call from Carnival that asked if I wanted an upgrade for no additional cost; clearly that has happened to some people, but I've not experienced it.  Second, I don't recall even being offered an upsell via email or phone call.  (In the past I have booked anywhere from inside cabins through balconies.) 

You can, however, call and ask what the upgrade would cost.  Sometimes it's little money, sometimes it's a lot...  With the new COVID reg's, a balcony seems particularly attractive to me these days so I called about a week or so ago to move my Premier and Ultra cruises coming up in November from inside to balcony - came to just about $50 per cabin per day (each is a 1-week cruise).  That was a great price for me and I gladly paid the upgrade.

On the other hand... I just called yesterday to see about the cost for moving from an inside cabin to a balcony for my upcoming 2 week, round-trip cruise from LA to Hawaii in December. That additional cost was about $3,300 for 2 people?! (an increase of more than $200 a day) - not worth it to me.  I'm guessing that this is based first on occupancy - they clearly feel that they can fill those cabins somewhere near that price-point and secondly, I now have 14 upcoming cruises booked with the attractive casino rates,  so they may be less inclined to offer me still further great rates...

Bottom line - I'd call them just to see.  My experience is that it has sometimes been absolutely worth calling, other times it was not worth the upsell cost to me.  YMMV.

~Bob

I was on the August 3 sailing of the Miracle to Alaska.  I had booked through the casino (Players Club), but the booking wasn't for a Premier.  Was a little surprised when we boarded to see that it was a Premier cruise, though clearly we weren't on that list... Casino as as busy as any I've ever seen (and I have been on a number of other Premier cruises...).  I talked to a supervisor and they essentially said that their understanding was that EVERY cruise for the foreseeable future would be booked as a Premier since they're looking to get as many passengers as possible - at least on the Miracle, and no doubt on other ships as well.   If you're cruising in the next few months, I'd probably assume that the sailing has a Premier crowd (or Ultra or Elite...) as part of the cruise.

~Bob

On 8/21/2021 at 10:02 AM, cruisewiththekids said:

Has anyone tried to upgrade cabins with the casino rate closer to the time of sailing and been successful?    I have some great casino offers for under $100pp for inside cabin.    Thinking of booking it, and then if the Covid situation explodes even more and I decide not to go, I will be out less.   But if I go, I'd like to have a balcony, but I'm not sure if I'd have to pay prevailing rate at that point to upgrade, or if I could get the balcony casino rate.

I have a Premier cruise followed by an Ultra cruise in November (B2B).  I originally booked both as inside cabins.  I called the Players Club yesterday (about 10 weeks out from the sail date) and asked about upgrading from an interior to a balcony - total price was almost exactly an additional $50 per day (~$700 total for the 2 weeklong cruises; they were even able to book the same balcony cabin for both).  I thought that was a great price and happily paid the upgrade.  I did tell the wife that one factor in my decision was the possibility of having to be masked throughout the ship - at least we'd have the balcony to sit and get some fresh air without the masks...)

~Bob

42 minutes ago, minermoon said:

Hello everyone. We also have a couple cruises booked on these free offers. Has anybody successfully added the Shareholder benefit for $100 On Board Credit on these cruises? Going to give it a try and send an email. TIA.

My most recent experience....

In May I sent an email request that included the 5 cruises that I had booked with Carnival at that time.  I got an email response the next day - they had approved my request for the first 4 cruises (2 in November out of Galveston and 2 in December out of Sydney) and stated that since the last one was in December of 2022, I would need to re-apply next year.  The first cruise was a Premier, the second was an Ultra and the 2 Australia  cruises were Premier (I think - I've since had to cancel them since the country isn't open yet....)

Since that original email, I booked an Alaska cruise in June that just sailed 2 weeks ago.  Since that one was a "Jackpot" offer, the room was free.  When I applied for just that cruise, I got an email that stated that my request wasn't honored since the cruise was comped.  But, to make it more confusing, the $!00 shareholder OBC did show up when I was on the ship?!  I'm sure others will tell you the same thing - they're not always consistent in their decision making.

I'd suggest that you request it anyway - it may very well be honored and there's no reason not to ask....

~Bob

FWIW - Just ate in the steakhouse on the Miracle last week.  Worst "specialty" meal we've ever had - having been on 40+ cruises and eaten in the "specialty" restaurants in almost all of them.  Service was weak and inattentive and most of the food was no better than the main dining room fare (and, of course, you can't choose multiple appetizers or main courses like you can in the main dining room...).  With the cover charge and a bottle of wine it came to $125+ for the 2 of us.  Don't worry about dressing up - there were many patrons in jeans (including the hostess who had on red denim pants...).  Others will most likely have had a much better experience, but we thought that experience did not merit the cost and it wasn't very "special" at all...

~Bob

Just returned yesterday from the Miracle sailing (August 3-10) from Seattle to Alaska.  It was definitely cooler than I had thought, even though I was following the projected forecasts up until we left.  Did not see the sun for the 4-5 days we were in Alaska - that's really not all that unexpected, even in August.  Daily highs were probably about 60; the first sea day the high was maybe 50 with a strong breeze - wind chill was easily in the 30's sitting on the balcony...  

Saw lots of people in their newly purchased hats, jackets and sweatshirts after our first stop in Skagway... 🙂  I'd suggest packing one more layer than you might have originally thought.

~Bob

FWIW - here's what I can add regarding our budgeting for our world cruise in January; since it's with Princess it does not automatically include any of the ship-sponsored shore excursions.  We've been on about 40 or so cruises, including back to back European cruises a couple of times, so we've seen some of the ports on our WC, but certainly not all.  I have made a list of our WC stops and earmarked a few as "more expensive" shore excursion stops and a number of others, mostly the ones we've seen, as "walk around the port for the day - no major expenses anticipated...".   There are 48 ports total, probably 10 of these that I'll  budget more than a couple of hundred dollars for.  I'm estimating in the $15k - $18k range all together, though that's not a hard cap - if there's an opportunity that comes up that we'd love I'd certainly take advantage.  I imagine that lots of folks will have their own take on this, but that's what I'm planning on...

~Bob

Greetings from someone who's pretty much in the same place - retiring in 7 weeks!

I have a slightly different perspective, and certainly less experience with cruise lines, but here are my thoughts regarding our upcoming world cruise (on Princess):

First, my experience is limited to a half a dozen cruise lines and about 40 or so cruises, all of them "main stream" cruise lines.  I have not taken a more upscale cruise - I am certain that the level of service and amenities on those ships is impressive.  I'll also say that, while my cruise experiences has been varied, I've never had a "bad" cruise and have been generally happy with the price-point that Ive selected.  I am sure that if your are paying $500+ per day per person, you will be (and should be) wowed by the overall experience.

My thoughts on the previous list of considerations:

Direction - westbound is by far preferred; a complete world cruise that goes east would necessitate 24 hours of lost sleep!

Space/Pax - more intimate would certainly be preferred.  My research showed that none of the newer Mega-ships do world cruises, but you may see ships with 2,000 - 2,500 pax. Not a major concern for me.

Dress/dining - my wife and I certainly prefer to dress for dinner, though anyone who has cruised for the last 10-20 years will have seen a marked drop off in the expectations from most cruise lines in this area; again - a preferred criterion, but not a major concern.

Casino - I certainly enjoy spending time here (with a fixed bankroll), but I'm also aware that a world cruise is totally different from a week in the Caribbean - this is not much of a factor for me.

Kids - I really think this isn't much of an issue on a world cruise - it's pretty unlikely even the mainstream lines will have more than maybe a couple of  families with kids on a cruise that's 100+ days... (many of the lines, however, do sell parts of their world cruises in segments, so this might be seen on some segments...)

Photos / Art / Stores - My wife enjoys walking through the ship stores, but we certainly don't need any more photos or art - and I would think that all 3 of these area would have limited long-term appeal to PAX who are on a ship for months and months - I don't need/want any of these, but they're not major considerations for me.

Entertainment / Trivia / Lectures - All three of these seem to me to be much more important considerations when you're on a ship for many months.  As a nerd who read the entire tour books for each port we visit, I'm not as hung up on lectures as some others (though I have read that the lectures on more upscale ships are often amazing).  All 3 of these would be a plus, but not a huge factor in my decision.

Laundry - Self-serve laundry is a huge plus; room-service laundry + dry cleaning that is included in the price would be very nice, though I'm not sure how much more I'd pay for that to be included.  I'm guessing that if it's not included, I'd probably pay a few hundred dollars over the course of our cruise to launder that stuff that we could not do ourselves.

Ports / Sea days - If you look at the map for a world cruise, some stretches of sea days are not really avoidable (ex:-crossing the Pacific).  Most of the cruises I researched had about a 50/50 mix of port days and sea days - you could generally expect maybe 50 ports in a cruise of 110-120 days.  I'm fine with that mix, but others may want to maximize the port time for their cruise.  ( I totally agree that the actual time in a port is also sometimes overlooked when you're choosing - we've had stops at ports for example that go from ~8AM - ~1 PM; that's not particularly leisurely or enjoyable).

Meals / Specialty Restaurants - Not really a major factor for us - in the half a dozen cruise lines we're been on the specialty restaurants are sometimes amazing and other times less impressive than the main dining rooms.  If they aren't included and we chose to go to one week (over 16 weeks), we'd add ~$1,000 to our total out of pocket bill.

Cabin service - this does vary by line.  MSC, for example, does not include free cabin service for it's base fair cabins, other cruise lines have a very reduced menu, other lines may have nearly a full menu for room service.  This is a nice service, but not a major factor for us.

Visa Service / Included flights / Transfers - These are all great amenities, but like many other items they are  certainly factored into the price of the cruise fare on higher-end lines.  

WiFi - This is a bigger factor for me, since my wife will be "working" on vacation and needs an Internet connection that we would otherwise have to pay out of pocket for; on a world cruise that could come to as much as $1,000.

Service Charge - Mainstream lines have a daily service charge these days that's ~$30+/day per couple.  for a 100+ day cruise this is a real expense - if this is included as an amenity, that's a welcome perk since I would have had to pay it out of pocket.

Price - this is a major consideration for me.  The Princess cruise, for example, will cost us ~$47,000 (per couple) for 112 days in an ocean-view cabin (almost exactly $200 / per day per person). The package we booked includes Wifi, drinks, and service fees (tips), along with a small OBC (~$1,000 I think) and a few specialty dinners as well.  A comparable Viking cruise (already sold out for 2023 by the way...!) would start at ~$100,000 per couple - (around $500 per person per day) while including nearly all of the possible amenities listed above.  If those were all items that you would have paid for anyway, it's probably a comparable price point for a much nicer cruise experience.  If, on the other hand, there are things that are not important to you, you are paying for them regardless on a higher-end cruise line.

My personal opinion is that I could take 2 world cruises for ~$100K, other people, however, would much rather spend the money for a more upscale experience - totally understandable.  I'm certainly not criticizing anyone else's choice(s) - these are just my thoughts on our world cruise.

~Bob

I sent ours off the first week of November - got them back sometime in February (about 3 months+).  I would absolutely plan on many months just to be safe. 

It's not so much a question of paying for expenses during the cruise - though that is also something to keep in mind.  The questions is more directed at the final payment for the cruise itself.  As an example, my world cruise leaving January, 2021 will have a final payment due in August in the mid-$30K range.  (And that's for a lower-end [OV] cabin for 2. people - it could easily be twice that or more on a high end world cruise.). Very unlikely that my CC would simply approve that charge without checking with me (I certainly hope they wouldn't!) and it's also very likely that a particular card doesn't have a credit limit that high (hence the original thread).  Several ideas here have been helpful...

Hope your news is as good as mine!!!! Just saw that on Thursday (3/18) my CC was credited with (almost) all of my cruise fare!!  Very pleasantly surprised!!!

~Bob

We did a B2B 2 years ago in Europe with NCL.  They had a meeting for the B2B passengers the day before the first debarkation to go over the basic protocols - they suggested that only one person from your party needed to attend.  They gave us stickers to wear the morning of debarkation so that no crew would try to corral us toward the gangway; they also said to stop by customer service that night or the next morning to get our new key cards.  The crew said that they were surprised that there were less than 20 passengers doing the B2B as they usually had 100-200 at least.  For me this led to a minor, but entertaining highlight of our cruise - from about 8 AM until just after noontime on debarkation day there were NO passengers on the pool deck (or anywhere else on the ship really) - even though the pools / hot tubs, etc were open.  Eerily quiet and relaxing.  We also took the opportunity to walk around the ship a little when it was vacant - also strange to see the buffet all set up with no passengers.  After scores of cruises, this was the first time we had experienced that - just and interesting B2B experience...

I did not give them any new information - the address that they sent in that, most recent, email was my home address and I merely confirmed  it. I had thought that my credit card would just be credited back with the cruise charge, but it would appear that they are planning to reimburse via check.  We'll see.

As mentioned a couple of days ago already by someone else - here's my update:

FWIW...in my email this morning... (Friday, 1/22/21)....

"We have been contacted by Pullmantur in regards to your refund.  They are in the process of sending out checks and wanted to confirm your mailing address.  Please reply that the address we have on file, shown below is correct so that we can let them know to go ahead and process your refund."

.... not really holding my breath...

Thanks for the updates.  My cancelled cruise was April, 2020.... still waiting for any contact from RCCL on any money back.  The TA said months ago that they've done all they can. Would love to hear back from anyone who did get $$ back from a cancelled cruise - thanks.

Just for more reference, my wife and I are booked on the Island Princess (Princess cruise lines) out of Fort Lauderdale, January 5, 2022; 111 day world cruise that returns to FLL at the very end of April.  Total for an obstructed ocean view for 2 is about $46 k.  Definitely a LOT of $.  However, the promotion that they ran last fall was, at this rate,  all inclusive for their drink package, unlimited WiFI, and all gratuities included.  (plus $1,700 in OBC and a few speciality restaurant dinners included as well).   This is about twice as much per day as we usually pay for Carnival, but it is with Princess, does come with gratuities, WiFi and drinks and does include the port charges for about 50 ports.  

More than 3 weeks ago, duderest posted that they had requested a refund on 8/5/20.  Coincidentally, on that exact same date, so did I.  I had a cruise (April - Mediterranean) that I tried to work with Pullmantur and then my credit card company for the refund throughout the spring and early summer.  Finally, over the summer, I contacted the seller (cruise dot com) and had an agent from them file the paperwork with RCCL (parent company).  My "90 days" expired weeks ago and still nothing.... When I called the seller, the agent simply said that they had done all they can and they believed that RCCL would, eventually, make good on the refund, but there was essentially nothing more to be done at this point. 😞  

~Bob

Just to clarify...  My experience has been the drinks on us card (good only when gambling in the casino) does, indeed, have the same 14 drink  limit as Cheers - and, as has been said, they are not totaled separately.  I have personally seen (as recently as 5 months ago), the casino host and manager explaining to a clearly inebriated slot player at about 11 PM at night that the player had reached their daily limit and would not be served any more drinks until the next day.  That person was very unhappy...at least that what I think the "words" coming out of their mouth were trying to convey...

I can also add that I've had a casino bar waiter tell me that I had "reached my limit" for the day ... and then continue to bring me drinks.  It certainly helps if you're not clearly drunk or obnoxious and you've been tipping the bar staff - just my personal experience.

Also, depending upon the casino offer, the spouse or traveling companion of the "drinks on us" card recipient may or may not get the DOU card upon boarding - the second person may have to gamble enough to qualify.  My personal experience has been that only I have been given the DOU card at boarding with most of my casino offers  (the spouse doesn't gamble much at all).

~Bob

I believe that every $2.50 bet is equal to 1 point accrued.  1,500 points would equal $3,750 bet.  Keep in mind that slot machines, for example, probably have something like a 92% return rate on a cruise ship. (they'll never advertise the actual figure, so this is just a ballpark guess - In Vegas you could probably find 97%-98% -> more competition there...).  So... you're $3,750 bet would return about $3,450 to you and you'd be down something like $300 - depends on your luck.  

As MANY others have said - if you're going to be gambling anyway, this is a nice benefit, but if you're just gambling to accrue a $300 "free" drink, that seems beyond ridiculous. 

With regards to the price / quality of Pullmantur....

We have been on about 40 cruises. Norwegian, Carnival, Celebrity, RCCL, etc. and when I saw the price(s) for the Pullmantur cruises last spring I was very skeptical.  We booked a Jr. Suite on the Monarch 7 day cruise for last July (2019)  (out of Curacao).  I think we paid about $100 per person per day, which included the "basic" drink package (included for all passengers - beer, wine, basic mixed drinks, etc) and a also the gratuities.  We were generally pleasantly surprised. The room was very spacious and the balcony was typical with 2 chairs and a small table.  I found the drink package to be a nice perc since glasses of wine were generally just put out at the buffets and we could get coffee, cappucino, espresso, soda, basic beer, etc. at any bar.  Considering that everyone's essentially on this package, we saw very few inebriated passengers.   The food in the dining room was not up to the level of the other major cruise lines, but we pretty much suspected that going in.  There were few choices and only 1-2 "new" items on any dinner menu, with about 3-4 "standard", repeated choices available every day.

A huge pleasant surprise was the Waves lounge - available to all Jr. Suite (and above) passengers. This was a very spacious lounge with good finger foods available almost any time and a dedicated bar with several drink waiters walking around to take your orders.  The higher Waves level (black) allowed for outside access to private lounge and unlimited access to the top shelf liquors.  [As an aside, they also sold bottles of liquor at great prices on the  and you could just take it with you on the ship once you bought it!! - never seen that before on any cruise line...]

All announcements, etc. were in Spanish (my grasp of Spanish is very limited), but all announcements were repeated in English and all menus, etc. were also in both languages.  Musical numbers / dance shows were all in Spanish but were certainly watchable.  The rapport of the cruise director and his assistant, were naturally also in Spanish.  Most of the passengers found them to be very entertaining, though that part of the evenings entertainment was a bit frustrating.

We have already signed up for our next Pullmantur in April (European cruise from Barcelona) and I would highly recommend them as long as you go in with an open mind.

~Bob

Recently returned from 2 cruises on the Spirit. Review is posted under ship reviews and it's really long. I did break it into topics (listed below) in case some aspect of the cruise is particularly interesting (so you won't have to sift through the whole thing). I'll check back here in case there are specific questions about our experience.

I can certainly repost any of these sections on this board if there's interest...

Review topics include:

1. Arrival/Embarkation

2. Cabin

3. Dining

4. UBP

5. Overall Service

6. Casino experience

7. Ports

8. Back to back info

9. Debarkation

Hope some of you find this helpful.

~Bob