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rccl give a diamond plus 4 free drinks a day regardless of time of day, celebrity give elite status 3 free drinks a day after 5pm to 7pm only, and NOT on embarkation day. rccl has the best perks across the board. they transfer status not days. diamond plus equals elite.

recently stayed in hotel occidental 1829, great location really nice rooms, newly refurbished. near espana monumental and magic fountains

15 hours ago, mmeg29 said:

Let's be clear why things were shut down - it was to slow the spread and flatten the curve so that hospitals would not be overwhelmed.  In that process many hospitals are now empty and on the verge of closing. I would think closing a hospital is bad for people's health.  Also if cruise lines wait for a vaccine/cure they will likely go belly up.  There is currently no vaccine for the 4 most common coronaviruses( they cause colds), SARS or MERS or even norovirus for that matter.  I am not holding my breath for either a vaccine or cure. 

you are correct. the corona virus is in the same strain as the common cold and we are all still waiting for that vaccine. we either make a decision to cruise or not to cruise. i may get hit by a truck this morning, but not if i don't leave my house, but my house may burn down . either way the grim reaper will get you. i'm gonna cruise.

46 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

The requirement for 70+ passengers to have a signed "Fit to Sail Form" form no longer exists. From the Celebrity website:

 

Earlier this year we announced travel restrictions for guests with chronic illness as well as a mandatory “Fit To Travel” form for guests 70 years of age and older with critical health conditions. We are now pleased to advise that, while subject to change, CLIA has confirmed these restrictions were lifted in early April after all cruise lines were required to suspend service. 

 

 

Also, when the requirement was still on the books, there was no 48 hour time period during which the form was to be signed by your doctor. Perhaps you are confusing the "Fit to Sail Form" with the "Public Health Form". The latter is required for all passengers, irrespective of age, and shouldn't be completed until 48 hours before boarding. Note, however, that this form requires no doctor's signature, only that of the passenger. 

https://www.ncl.com/sites/default/files/Certificate-of-Medical-Fitness-to-Travel-form.pdf needs Dr. signature

https://www.ncl.com/sites/default/files/Certificate-of-Medical-Fitness-to-Travel-form.pdf

just to make a point clear, if you are 70 years old YOU CANNOT BOARD WITHOUT HAVING THE FORM SIGNED BY YOUR DR SAYING YOU ARE NOT A RISK, dated 48 hrs before you cruise. what if you just spent a week someplace before you cruise and your are 2000 miles from your Dr.??Hmmmmmm i'll end it there its too confusing, just pray HAL doesn't do it.

NCL just came out with a medical form for 70 year olds and above. if you have a chronic disease like COPD, diabetes or asthma you cannot cruise without you Dr.'s approval of being safe to travel. what Dr in their right mind would ever sign something like that. so i ask this ???, 70% of Holland American cruisers are over 65 or 70. if HAL adopts that form, their cruise industry just SANK. i was on the last HAL cruise with people with transplants, 4th heart attack and some stuff too scary to even list. what happens then?? guess we'll see

just as a final note to all of this health stuff. many years ago on NCL, my wife was diagnosed with Norwalk virus given a shot, confined to our cabin was knocked out for 2 days, fed chicken broth only. when we got back from our Canadian cruise we went to our Dr. she had experienced a Gallbladder attack. mis-diagnosed from the getgo. my confidence level in the medical teams aboard ships is not the highest. i understand the person who said i may take up the bed that "THEY" may need is their priority, i'm ok with that. but i pray for safe travels for all of you. side note. i was supposed to be on Celebrity to alaska on june 2nd. it was our 35th anniversary cruise taking all of our children and grandchildren, 16 of us. obviously cancelled. we booked airfare thru X. We opted for 100% refund due to wife's cancer, not knowing how long she has. they owe us over $21000.00 as a refund and i was paid in full. how long do i have to wait for that? can't even get an answer, and my TA is in New York and closed up due to Covid. part of my situation is ANGER, and to the rest of you, i apologise, to others, just go away, you have no idea.

32 minutes ago, bEwAbG said:

 

The condition increases the chances that they'd have to deal with the fallout of your dying should you also catch COVID19.  Has zero to do with you passing on your condition to anyone else. They don't care if you want to risk it.

i have a DNR, if i catch it my survival rate as calculated from symptom to death is about 4 days. i would take up more refrigerator space in the morgue than a medical bed. you shouldn't be afraid of me but the other undetectable person that comes on board and gives it to you, because you CAN'T catch him, he is absolutely silent in his transmission. been in healthcare all of my life, get real. if you are that scared, i suggest YOU stay home. 

29 minutes ago, yorky said:

Sorry to hear about your wife.

thank you very much

8 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

Totally agree. Even if he survives, he's tied up one of a very limited number of beds, medical equipment and supplies, and medical staff, potentially endangering the lives of others.

puts me in a condition of having to lie. and if they catch me, what can possibly be my punishment, they'll be tied up in the courts and i'll be dead before that case comes before a judge. i'm 80 years old. they are an international co and basically don't want to get in that entanglement, just like having their ships registered in the U S, they don't want to pay minimum wages in this country or canadian wages or even healthcare to crew

11 hours ago, Ronin23 said:

If you have a chronic, pre existing condition then why would you book knowing the policy?

because my COPD does not affect anyone else only me. that means i may catch something from another person but i am not a danger to anyone. if i am willing to accept those consequences, thats on me. why should anybody worry about that. I AM NOT THE PROBLEM. my wife has terminal cancer and can be denied cruising. i am pretty sure she is not going to give anyone else her cancer. but her wish is to cruise the world beforw she dies and they will take that away. maybe i should rethink where we spend all of our money. and if she catches something, she may die?? don't think she is really worried about that either