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3 minutes ago, CanadianBurger said:

Question for readers: are the videos coming through okay on your end? They just spin if I click on one. 

Coming through fine, thank you 🙏 

45 minutes ago, david63 said:

Allegedly!

Allegedly or not it made the national News.  I do find it alarming for some to question his experience which was obviously a stressful time.  Right or wrong the person involved feels aggrieved about the whole experience which is quite sad 😞 

6 minutes ago, lucas34 said:

Cruise pax pay port taxes at the embarkation, ports-of-call as well as at disembarkation ports.

Thank you for clarifying 👍🏻

17 minutes ago, david63 said:

I would take a different view. On the basis that Princess refund port charges when a port is missed is not reasonable that when another port is added that passengers should be charged the additional port charges? You can't have it both ways.

I don’t think you pay for the disembarkation port, and this was not another port that was added to the cruise.

5 hours ago, texasjones said:

Very much appreciate the counterpoint and -- for everyone else -- I'm back on the thread! [And prepare yourself for a long post, really do hope you read it all.] We've been enjoying the rough seas up through our docking in Southampton this evening, and I only thought to check the responses before I went to bed. I'd be a pretty poor lawyer if I shrunk from a legitimate and good-natured debate! I think it's fascinating reading the different perspectives on compensation when things unexpectedly 'go wrong' on a cruise. 

For those not onboard but have a voyage booked on Sky Princess, rest assured: the ship is beautifully fitted, the crew very kind and accommodating, and the evening entertainment is some of the best we've experienced at sea (-- if you have a chance to hear Elaine Gray, get to the theater/club venue as soon as the doors open, she's brilliant). Even the food, which we've always considered Princess' weak spot, was better than expected and, in some cases, spectacular. Most importantly, the Caymus never ran out at Vines 😉 So we have no complaint with the voyage itself. As many of you have pointed out, though, travel is inherently unpredictable, particularly when you're traveling by sea during the winter and shoulder seasons. Got it. There's a reason why our contracts of carriage absolve the cruise operator for weather-related delays/inconveniences/disruptions. If I filed suit claiming otherwise, I'd be rightly laughed out of court. We all agreed to a one-sided contract. There's no arguing otherwise. 

With that said, and I thought I articulated this in an earlier post....our complaint lies solely with Princess HQ/corporate. There are many ways a company can respond when things, like our voyage, 'go wrong', namely: (A) honoring a warranty or guarantee (for goods), (B) compensation (for experiences), and (C) sticking its head in the sand and doing nothing, knowing [or perhaps hoping] that the majority of its customers won't challenge their decision. Too expensive, too much of a hassle, so why would one bother? In a post-Covid world, when multibillion dollar companies post record profits yet continue to search for ways to nickel and dime their customers, I err on the side of questioning corporate decisionmaking. This is a Princess cruise forum. Aren't you a little peeved at Princess' continued cutbacks to our loyalty program, the hours-long wait to speak with a Princess representative on the phone, the degradation of the [fill in the blank] soft product you once valued, all in spite of Princess raising its fare prices? I sure am. The suits bank on our apathy. And you can bet the suits are taking such apathy into account when determining compensation amounts when things 'go wrong'. If the suits sense you'll be content with crumbs, crumbs you shall receive. 

I've read some posts excusing, or perhaps justifying, Princess' $100 non-refundable OBC "gesture of goodwill" as reasonable because this was (A) a repositioning cruise and (B) (I assume?) the average cost per passenger was lower than a typical TA cruise. We booked this voyage quite early because I knew I needed to be in London for work and thought the "Moroccan Passage" advertised by Princess would be more enjoyable than taking yet another Club World flight with British Airways. Forgive me, and I do hate throwing out dollar amounts because they tend to skew an argument, but we paid over $20,000 for three suites onboard (inclusive of Princess Premier). So this wasn't exactly a bargain basement -discount voyage for us, although we certainly recognize the value we received by booking this particular cruise. But let's address money. We considered adding a fourth room at the end of February and saw that fares had dropped significantly. I vaguely remember interior rooms being marketed for <$600 and balcony rooms for <$1000 -- an almost too-good-to-be-true value for any cruise operator, much less for a line like Princess. If I paid $600 for a 14-day TA cruise and received $100 in compensation, I'd consider Princess' offer to be incredibly generous. For us, less so. We've experienced several cruises where ports were cancelled or our cruise was diverted early. For comparative data points, here's what we received as compensation:

(1) Regent - one missed port: $500 OBC 

(2) Regent - one missed port: $500 future cruise credit 

(3) Crystal [RIP] - one missed port: $270 OBC 

(4) Cunard - one missed port: $100 OBC 

(5) Celebrity - returned to end destination a day early due to a medical emergency: one night refunded (which we felt was incredibly generous)

(6) Seabourn - one missed port which was almost immediately substituted with an alternate port due to poor weather: $0 (no harm, no foul, and we enjoyed exploring the substitute port) 

(7) Seabourn - two missed ports: $750 future cruise credit (which was subsequently increased to $1500 and $100 in OBC)

[(8) Princess - for a 14-day TA, two of three missed ports with no substitutions, diverting to destination 1.5 days early, shutting down facilities due to regulatory requirements: $100 non-refundable OBC] 

 

Notice an outlier? 

 

When your cruise operator cancels two of your three ports and diverts your 14-day cruise to return 1.5 days early, shutting down facilities you paid for and expected to use....you know, let's just say we were expecting more than $100 in non-refundable OBC. With our Princess Premier packages, we're struggling to figure out how we can spend the $100 tomorrow. The shops are now closed, the casino is closed. I suppose we can buy a bottle of wine? Or book a Princess excursion into Southampton when the storm we just escaped rolls ashore with 40 mph sustained winds? Tempting, tempting. 

Which takes me back to my original point: When things go wrong, compensation reflects a company's empathy for their customers' frustrated experience. We lost two ports of call. We're sitting dockside in Southampton unable to leave with multiple ship facilities closed. Even more egregious, and I'm sure few passengers realize this, but Princess elected to charge every passenger the Southampton dockage fees and tax TWICE to account for us arriving on Thursday rather than Saturday. That's why your folio only reflects a refund of $25.29. Instead of bearing the cost of docking early, Princess decided to pass along the cost of the disruptions to us. Sure, it's a nominal amount. But Princess HQ/corporate's penny pinching doesn't exactly endear me to their business practices. I don't pretend to be someone special. I'm a nobody, as most of us are. Losing my business won't trouble any Princess executive. But if you're tired of being nickel and dimed at every possible turn, then we, as customers, should pay attention to how companies treat us nobodies when extraordinary circumstances come into play. For us, for my family, all we expected was a little empathy, an acknowledgement that our $20,000 cruise was materially disrupted. $100 in non-refundable OBC we can't spend wasn't it. 

I suspect most of those responding in this forum can absorb a loss when their cruise 'goes wrong'. And you're not going to find me in the lobby of the Ritz Hotel tomorrow with a tin out asking for loose change, pleading for a handout. But for those onboard, those who saved and sacrificed to experience a once-in-a-lifetime TA crossing, the couple who are now sitting moored in Southampton 1.5 days early, being double charged for a port, without facilities they paid for, after missing two of the three ports they were looking forward to visiting? I dunno. We feel that Princess HQ/corporate could've been more understanding, more empathic for the disruptions we all experienced. 

[And re: insurance claims, as so many of you have highlighted, neither of our two insurance policies covers missed ports. Perhaps a difference between U.S. and UK/European insurance packages? Regardless, an expectation for insurance -- something you contracted for and are legally entitled to --doesn't negate a cruise ship operator from recognizing an extraordinary disruption and offering its passengers an empathetic and fair token of goodwill.]

The points you make are all relevant and very articulate.  I agreed with your original post, although some questioned why? as I wasn’t on the ship, and I thought the negative responses you received were very unfair, also from others that were not on the ship🤷‍♂️.  For this reason I decided to post a comment to support your view.  I was then asked how much I wanted in compensation and I even attracted negative comments on  the ships Roll Calls, which I find very distasteful and disappointing.  I support everything you have said, which has nothing to do with the Captains decision or the safety of the passengers.  No doubt he made the correct decision. The point was and is about the below par goodwill gesture from Princess, not for missing ports but for what you have lost by docking early.  I just hope you can enjoy the rest of your time on board whilst docked in Southampton.

2 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Why ?- it's an Act of God, and outside the control of Princess. It's a chance everyone takes when booking a TA.

It is also a chance that Princess takes by taking on paying passengers.  It’s a risk taken by the service provider not the fault of the consumer.  $100 dollars non refundable OBC is a complete joke.  

10 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Well, the ship has to come to Europe some time! 

It sure does and Princess should compensate passengers properly when the notorious weather hits 🙁

4 hours ago, wowzz said:

Sorry, I have to disagree. You chose to take a TA cruise at a time of year notorious for bad weather. They still got you safely to the UK.

No different to a flight being diverted due to bad weather.

Princess looked after you, and, despite what you say have not cut your cruise short,  because you can still use all the facilities on the ship on Friday in Southampton. 

Why not take the opportunity to visit Salisbury or Winchester ?

So, no sympathy from me I'm afraid. 

Can’t believe Princess would sell a cruise a time of year that is notorious for bad weather 🙄

1 hour ago, memoak said:

Required and it was in writing. Staff just will not enforce saying to us  “when we try to enforce we get cursed at. If we try and hand them a mask they throw it back at us

Disgraceful 

Had confirmation from Princess that you can get off the ship independently during ports of call on the seacations 

You can buy cigarettes from the bar, I think they are 4 Dollars a pack, Marlboro etc

I'm not sure how early you can drop your bags off at the terminal but you usually can't board until about 12 at the earliest.

 

For breakfast, there are a few places near the port. Think Cafe is decent and a long-ish walk (~1 mile) but there is paved sidewalk the whole way.

 

If you want to take a taxi or Uber, try Pacific Diner. It's about a 5-10 minute drive but really good breakfast. It will be busy on Sunday's but the patio is nice and they have heaters if you are cold.

Thank you for your suggestions.

I've never gotten to San Pedro that early...but, what I've found, in general (I've arrived in Florida on redeyes) is that they don't want to take on baggage until they've disposed of the baggage for the previous cruise. The baggage handlers are busy and the staging areas are being used. Figure they'll be ready for the new baggage at 9:00-10:00 at the very earliest. If you plane arrives at LAX at 7:30 AND IS ON TIME, figure it is going to take you a half an hour to actually get off the plane, and make it through the terminal to baggage claim...then figure you likely wait another 15-30 minutes at baggage claim waiting for your luggage...So, you might be able to pick up ground transportation by 8:30 at the earliest, if you are lucky. If you have a limo waiting or if you are taking a taxi, you could get away quick...If it's a shared shuttle, you may waste more time loading on other passengers. In either event, you then have a 20 mile ride to the pier...On a Sunday morning, traffic should be light, so figure a half an hour.

 

 

 

So, at the earliest, you are getting to the pier around 9:00. At that point, they MAY be willing to take your luggage. Try being really nice and ready to offer a nice tip. Tell them you just came in on an overnight flight and are REALLY hungry and would appreciate being able to leave your luggage so you can go find some breakfast without dragging your luggage all over San Pedro.

 

The closest breakfast you will find to the terminal is at the Grinder:

 

http://www.grinderrestaurants.com/home

 

It's at 5th and Harbor--virtually across the street from the pier. If you can't leave your luggage and have to take it with you to breakfast (and the luggage is on wheels), it's still workable...Harbor is the main street that fronts the Cruise Terminal...docked next to the cruise piers is the USS Iowa...The other end of the Iowa is approximately at 5th Street. So, if you walk to the far end of the big parking lot, exit the lot and cross Harbor Blvd, you will be within a half a block of the Grinder.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Grinder/@33.7444306,-118.2787665,1366m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m8!1m2!2m1!1srestaurants+san+pedro!3m4!1s0x0:0x1f105cc787c5363a!8m2!3d33.7402129!4d-118.2799613

 

 

Good luck.

Great advice many thanks.

We will be arriving at LA airport at 07;30 am on a Sunday morning for an Hawaiian cruise on the Star Princess. We plan to get a shuttle to the cruise terminal. My question is what time does the terminal open and how early can we drop bags off? Ideally we would like to drop them off as early as possible and then find somewhere to have breakfast. Any advice will be appreciated.