greg-nc Posted March 4, 2012 #476 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Come on Greg. Read the link. It's not me saying it, it's COSTA!I brought the link here so people could see what COSTA said. I did not mean "you" individually but everyone when I stated "I think that you need to start questioning the statements come out of Costa." I apologize if it came across wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted March 4, 2012 #477 Share Posted March 4, 2012 My understanding of the event is that he didnt impact the Aida but through the speed he was moving his ship the wash caused damage to it. A large vessel travelling at the speed indicated would give some wash. regards :) That is my understanding as well. They submitted the report of the incident as evidence in the Italian court proceedings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyzoo Posted March 4, 2012 #478 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I just hope that (ex) Capt. Schettino has a conscience and that he is spending all of his waking and sleeping moments thinking and dreaming and agonizing about all the grief and trauma and damage and deaths and loss of property and possible environmental damage that his stupidity has caused. Not to absolve Costa, which probably bears a lot of responsibility for hiring and retaining such a moron in a responsible position and, very possibly, condoning his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcruiser1 Posted March 4, 2012 Author #479 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Identification process faces roadblock:(: http://www.mid-day.com/news/2012/mar/040312-Costa-identification-process-faces-roadblock.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted March 4, 2012 #480 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I just hope that (ex) Capt. Schettino has a conscience and that he is spending all of his waking and sleeping moments thinking and dreaming and agonizing about all the grief and trauma and damage and deaths and loss of property and possible environmental damage that his stupidity has caused. Not to absolve Costa, which probably bears a lot of responsibility for hiring and retaining such a moron in a responsible position and, very possibly, condoning his actions. Your right! But in addition, there is probable cause to believe that Costa: Authorized AND/OR knew of & condoned the sail by salute AND may have been complicit in making the delayed abandon ship order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquil Waters Posted March 4, 2012 #481 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I did not mean "you" individually but everyone when I stated "I think that you need to start questioning the statements come out of Costa." I apologize if it came across wrong. Could not agree more that statements by Costa/CCL are highly suspect. They are in major damage control mode and are only out to save their butts at this point. Perhaps what any large corporation would do. But, none the less, I don't think we can take their statements as open and forthcoming for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted March 4, 2012 #482 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Costa Concordia captain had crashed before Damaged luxury liner in 2010 while sailing too fast into German port This is pretty lacking in detials and the statement that Costa sent him a letter telling him of the damage inplies that is may have been to another vessel and would be very minor if not known until then. You really need some details and reports to case cause and blame on this one. AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted March 4, 2012 #483 Share Posted March 4, 2012 This is pretty lacking in detials and the statement that Costa sent him a letter telling him of the damage inplies that is may have been to another vessel and would be very minor if not known until then. You really need some details and reports to case cause and blame on this one. AKK Someone posted a link to the official incident report in pdf form that was submitted as evidence in another forum that shows more details. I am trying to dig it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alita Posted March 4, 2012 #484 Share Posted March 4, 2012 "You really need some details and reports to case cause and blame on this one." http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/concordia-captain-had-2010-crash/story-fn6ck55c-1226287913037 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted March 4, 2012 #485 Share Posted March 4, 2012 "You really need some details and reports to case cause and blame on this one." http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/concordia-captain-had-2010-crash/story-fn6ck55c-1226287913037 Is that a quote from the article? Because I am not finding it in the article. I find the following quotes below from the article of interest. I have not seen the full emails that were submitted in evidence. The official report of the incident submitted at the port that has been posted elsewhere is very dry and seems to indicate that wake from Atlantica, which was exceeding designated speed in the port, caused damage to the Aida Blu. Of course, the official report does not touch on any internal discipline or rebukes at the employers. In another letter referring to the Costa Atlantica incident and dated October 11, 2010, Mr Schettino's superiors at Costa Crociere said he could have avoided the accident had he "showed greater attention and knowledge of the documents that regulate navigation." In the excerpt of the letter, also published by La Stampa, Costa Crociere also reprimanded Mr Schettino for "ways and tones of communication not in line with those of our company," noting how he had used "inappropriate tones," with the captain of the Aida Blu. According to La Stampa, the letters are in possession of prosecutors in Grosseto who are leading an investigation into the Costa Concordia's sinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alita Posted March 4, 2012 #486 Share Posted March 4, 2012 No, the quote is from Tonka's Skipper.... I was providing a few more details in answer to that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted March 4, 2012 #487 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Costa Concordia experts set July deadline Court-appointed experts have until July 21 to complete investigations into the Costa Concordia's “black box” voyage data recorder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judyzoo Posted March 4, 2012 #488 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Your right! But in addition, there is probable cause to believe that Costa: Authorized AND/OR knew of & condoned the sail by salute AND may have been complicit in making the delayed abandon ship order. You're right too -- I think Costa may have done this also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcruiser1 Posted March 5, 2012 Author #489 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Brother and sister who worked on Concordia and Allegra back home with mum. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brother-and-sister-who-both-worked-751546 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisersNC Posted March 5, 2012 #490 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I don't know how many people here remember the MS Sea Diamond accident that happened about 5 yrs ago at the Greek island of Santini....there were a lot of similarities.....supposed uncharted rocks that ripped open the ship.....ship capsizes......difficulty evacuating the ship....in the Sea Diamond case they actually took it to deep water to let it sink! 2 people were killed....passengers sued.....the contracts came into play....this is an interesting article that goes into all that and shows how difficult it is to successfully sue a cruiseline: http://news.yahoo.com/insight-laws-leave-cruise-ship-victims-sea-061402645.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyjonesrugrat Posted March 5, 2012 #491 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It just gets better and better.....talk about rats leaving a sinking ship...... The officers appear to be throw knives in the back of the Captain...... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/03/costa-concordia-captain-coastguards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyjonesrugrat Posted March 5, 2012 #492 Share Posted March 5, 2012 If all for legal representation for the passengers and also the crew over the Costa Concordia incident but I was shocked when I saw a legal firm had created a 'website' just for the Costa Concordia people....... Is this taking things to a new level? http://www.costaconcordialegaladvice.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted March 5, 2012 #493 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It just gets better and better.....talk about rats leaving a sinking ship...... The officers appear to be throw knives in the back of the Captain...... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/03/costa-concordia-captain-coastguards Davy The follow up question is: Does he deserve it ? ;) John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted March 5, 2012 #494 Share Posted March 5, 2012 If all for legal representation for the passengers and also the crew over the Costa Concordia incident but I was shocked when I saw a legal firm had created a 'website' just for the Costa Concordia people....... Is this taking things to a new level? http://www.costaconcordialegaladvice.com/ Davy Great comment but how about changing it to: "Lifeboat Chasers" ? :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted March 5, 2012 #495 Share Posted March 5, 2012 "You really need some details and reports to case cause and blame on this one." http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/concordia-captain-had-2010-crash/story-fn6ck55c-1226287913037 With all due respect and considering the medias highly questionable reporting on this casulity in general,a few lines on a reported *leaked documents but no documents* is far from the complete story. AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmetrius Posted March 5, 2012 #496 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It just gets better and better.....talk about rats leaving a sinking ship...... The officers appear to be throw knives in the back of the Captain...... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/03/costa-concordia-captain-coastguards What an interesting article! Other officers seem quite justified in their "throwing of knives into the back of Schettino" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisersNC Posted March 5, 2012 #497 Share Posted March 5, 2012 It just gets better and better.....talk about rats leaving a sinking ship...... The officers appear to be throw knives in the back of the Captain...... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/03/costa-concordia-captain-coastguards Is it within the realm of possibilities that the officers are simply telling the truth?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyjonesrugrat Posted March 5, 2012 #498 Share Posted March 5, 2012 DavyThe follow up question is: Does he deserve it ? ;) John That is a very hard question............(Not)...... Think I will take the fifth on that question in case I get earmarked as a 'hangman' against the rogue Captain..... rgds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrounds Posted March 5, 2012 #499 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Davy Great comment but how about changing it to: "Lifeboat Chasers" ? :eek: Well put. Like flies to honey. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg-nc Posted March 5, 2012 #500 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Brother and sister who worked on Concordia and Allegra back home with mum.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brother-and-sister-who-both-worked-751546 At last, I think we have found the common thread/cause of problems on Costa ships. They are "Jonah's". Does this mum have any other children out on Costa cruise ships? :D On a serious note it is good to hear her children are home safe and sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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