TIpping

[mikel24m]

I so like these tipping threads!

 

Comming from a society that doesn't expect tips and doesn't tip as a norm its quite entertaining!

 

You folks could save a small fortune by having a vacation in Australia, its all inclusive you know:D

 

Den

 

But your society has a bigger and better base salary correct?

 

Bartenders and wait staff does not make around $3 per hour in Australia do they?

 

Most of us realize different cultures and cheap people (who know better) are different

[coachpete]

In the Phillipines, if a family's average monthly wage is less than $244 (for 5 ppl), they are considered poor. 27% of the folks who live there fall into that bracket. So those who work on cruiselines are not considered poor in their native country.

[mikel24m]

In the Phillipines, if a family's average monthly wage is less than $244 (for 5 ppl), they are considered poor. 27% of the folks who live there fall into that bracket. So those who work on cruiselines are not considered poor in their native country.

 

Your wrong they are considered poor when they do not get paid by people removing tips!!

[Dave994]

All I know is that people on these ships sign up for contract after contract for years on end. They must do ok.

 

As long as they label it a tip, you will have this issue. A tip will always be an option and it should be. Period.

 

Why does nobody cry foul that the cruise lines are screwing these workers over? Perhaps you should start there and worry less about momaskittle and coachpete.

[mikel24m]

All I know is that people on these ships sign up for contract after contract for years on end. They must do ok.

 

As long as they label it a tip, you will have this issue. A tip will always be an option and it should be. Period.

 

Why does nobody cry foul that the cruise lines are screwing these workers over? Perhaps you should start there and worry less about momaskittle and coachpete.[/quote

 

Some people are cheap and will let you know it( and laugh about it too)

 

no one worries about anyone except those who dont do the right thing !!

[Dave994]

 

Some people are cheap and will let you know it( and laugh about it too)

 

no one worries about anyone except those who dont do the right thing !!

 

call them cheap all you like. They never once suggested they don't tip and even if they don't, why does it worry you? Take a look at the profit made by carnival last year and ask yourself why don't they pay their staff more. That should be the uproar. Not who tips in cash or via auto grats.

 

Your barking up the wrong tree in my opinion if you care about the crew as much as you say you do.

 

But again, ask yourself why some crew stay for 10 plus years if it's as bad as you say?

[cruisenanny]

No worries here Dave, just a spirited conversation.

I am always the first one to say that the crew must find the compensation to be decent OVERALL, or they wouldn't stay & certainly wouldn't return. No argument from me there AND I do not feel sorry for them.

Cruisenanny just calls a spade a spade:p Good afternoon, mamaskittles, imitation is the highest form of flattery you know, hope you are having a great day!!:D

[mikel24m]

call them cheap all you like. They never once suggested they don't tip and even if they don't, why does it worry you? Take a look at the profit made by carnival last year and ask yourself why don't they pay their staff more. That should be the uproar. Not who tips in cash or via auto grats.

 

Your barking up the wrong tree in my opinion if you care about the crew as much as you say you do.

 

But again, ask yourself why some crew stay for 10 plus years if it's as bad as you say?

 

Again as i have said a million times it doesnt "worry me" BUT I work for tips and understand and try to bring the perspective of the person who relies on tips. my wage is also good for being union but these people work really hard ,long contracts and 7 days a week for basically tips.

 

Again I dont care what they make in their home country(its not my business) or how rich they are from us gullable/big shots as some call people who tip nice

 

It takes so little energy to do the right thing to people who deserve it!!

 

I understand H8 and the whole not tipping entertainment staff too

[mikel24m]

call them cheap all you like. They never once suggested they don't tip and even if they don't, why does it worry you? Take a look at the profit made by carnival last year and ask yourself why don't they pay their staff more. That should be the uproar. Not who tips in cash or via auto grats.

 

Your barking up the wrong tree in my opinion if you care about the crew as much as you say you do.

 

But again, ask yourself why some crew stay for 10 plus years if it's as bad as you say?

 

forgot to mention that some staff stays 10 years because MOST people do the right thing unless they read differently on CC and chose to be that one standing in line on Saturday at the pursers desk who wants to save $161 on their credit card bill!

[coachpete]

Your wrong they are considered poor when they do not get paid by people removing tips!!

 

 

Are you saying the average waiter doesn't earn $244 a month on a ship? Surely they have 12 People at their dining room tables and at $3.50 a day it's $150 a week if half the people don't tip a penny, which still earns them double what the average wage at home is.

[Dave994]

Again as i have said a million times it doesnt "worry me" BUT I work for tips and understand and try to bring the perspective of the person who relies on tips. my wage is also good for being union but these people work really hard ,long contracts and 7 days a week for basically tips.

 

Again I dont care what they make in their home country(its not my business) or how rich they are from us gullable/big shots as some call people who tip nice

 

It takes so little energy to do the right thing to people who deserve it!!

 

I understand H8 and the whole not tipping entertainment staff too

 

As a guy with a degree in hospitality management I understand tipping. But here is the thing. It's NOT mandatory. And all your doing is inserting your moral values into this which have no place in the discussion as they are your values.

[mikel24m]

Are you saying the average waiter doesn't earn $244 a month on a ship? Surely they have 12 People at their dining room tables and at $3.50 a day it's $150 a week if half the people don't tip a penny, which still earns them double what the average wage at home is.

 

and again why would you care what they make at home .its not your business

 

at dinner do they stop and ask what you do for a living and where your from ?

[AZbeachboy]

All I know is that people on these ships sign up for contract after contract for years on end. They must do ok.

 

As long as they label it a tip, you will have this issue. A tip will always be an option and it should be. Period.

 

Why does nobody cry foul that the cruise lines are screwing these workers over? Perhaps you should start there and worry less about momaskittle and coachpete.[/quote

 

Some people are cheap and will let you know it( and laugh about it too)

 

no one worries about anyone except those who dont do the right thing !!

 

If you noticed my earlier post I talked about the cruise lines. Both my experience on board Holland America when they had a no tip policy and an idea that I have been formulation for a while that came together in this thread. I have long talked about how cruise lines are hedging their bets. Owners of bars resturants do the same thing. They pay very little and expect customers to subsidise their business. When customers do not tip the owners are the first to say, poor workers, what a lousy customer you have. I say, pay the workers a decent salary and charge me a fair price, then let me tip if I get something great.

 

BTW. I remember when the tip rate was 10%. It was the unions in NY that decided they wanted a bigger percentage. Their 10% should have gone up with the prices of meals and drinks and they would have received pay raises. Just a note about greed.

 

BTW2, what is the right thing to do. Who sets the standard and who makes the decision. Why is it wrong to protest because one has a different standard. Why do europeans, austrailians and asian countries not tip. I was just in belize living with locals. They never tip, Its not their custom, but it has cought on and expected in tourist areas. That is a whole different standard. Tourist tip and locals do not. Are you for or against double standards?

[coachpete]

and again why would you care what they make at home .its not your business

 

at dinner do they stop and ask what you do for a living and where your from ?

 

 

Because it's not my job to pay them based on where they are. Their wages should reflect where they come from.

[boo214]

All I know is that people on these ships sign up for contract after contract for years on end. They must do ok.

 

As long as they label it a tip, you will have this issue. A tip will always be an option and it should be. Period.

Why does nobody cry foul that the cruise lines are screwing these workers over? Perhaps you should start there and worry less about momaskittle and coachpete.[/quote

 

Some people are cheap and will let you know it( and laugh about it too)

 

no one worries about anyone except those who dont do the right thing !!

like i said in my earlier post, be it called a tip, service charge, whatever, its really their SALARY. like it or not, thats the way it is. the cruiselines are not screwing these workers over, they know what to expect when they sign on. the only people screwing these people over are the people removing tips.

[astropilot]

Coach Pete knows this, but he doesn't care because he is not a spineless conformist like you & me. He also thinks if the crew doesn't like him removing their tips (a pretty clear indication that he does not eventually compensate/tip them at least adequately) that "there are other jobs out there"..

 

I for one, am in complete agreement with him. They (the crewmembers) know the score when they sign their employment contract. CCL calls it a gratituity -- an expression of gratitude -- to be paid, or not for a service rendered above the expected level of said service. I will, and do, tip according to the level of service extended above and beyond the expected.

 

Just because a steward cleans my cabin, or a waiter brings my meal, does not necessarily mean they have provided anything other than the standard and expected service that I paid for in my cruise fare.

 

Unlike so many folks here, I don't just throw money around willy-nilly to get a "feel good" felling about myself. Nor do I try to give the impression that I'm somebody I'm not. In my book, if you want money from me your going to earn it -- and I've already paid to have my cabin cleaned, and my meals served .

[Dave994]

like i said in my earlier post, be it called a tip, service charge, whatever, its really their SALARY. like it or not, thats the way it is. the cruiselines are not screwing these workers over, they know what to expect when they sign on. the only people screwing these people over are the people removing tips.

 

Say what????? I am not responsible to pay their salary. That is what my cruise fare is supposed to be for.

 

If Micky chooses to pocket that instead of paying his employes a fair wage than that is his business.

 

A gratuity or tip is for going above and beyond what is expected.

[coachpete]

 

Say what????? I am not responsible to pay their salary. That is what my cruise fare is supposed to be for.

 

If Micky chooses to pocket that instead of paying his employes a fair wage than that is his business.

 

A gratuity or tip is for going above and beyond what is expected.

 

 

Agreed, and if they felt they were being screwed over, they'd find a new industry.

[DFW Airwolf]

I for one, am in complete agreement with him. They (the crewmembers) know the score when they sign their employment contract. CCL calls it a gratituity -- an expression of gratitude -- to be paid, or not for a service rendered above the expected level of said service. I will, and do, tip according to the level of service extended above and beyond the expected.

 

Just because a steward cleans my cabin, or a waiter brings my meal, does not necessarily mean they have provided anything other than the standard and expected service that I paid for in my cruise fare.

 

Unlike so many folks here, I don't just throw money around willy-nilly to get a "feel good" felling about myself. Nor do I try to give the impression that I'm somebody I'm not. In my book, if you want money from me your going to earn it -- and I've already paid to have my cabin cleaned, and my meals served .

 

You hit the nail directly on the head. "I QUOTE (There is a TV Commerical about Settlement that sounds like this) "It is MY MONEY & I will tip whatever I want"

[YubaSutter]

I for one, am in complete agreement with him. They (the crewmembers) know the score when they sign their employment contract. CCL calls it a gratituity -- an expression of gratitude -- to be paid, or not for a service rendered above the expected level of said service. I will, and do, tip according to the level of service extended above and beyond the expected.

 

Just because a steward cleans my cabin, or a waiter brings my meal, does not necessarily mean they have provided anything other than the standard and expected service that I paid for in my cruise fare.

 

Unlike so many folks here, I don't just throw money around willy-nilly to get a "feel good" felling about myself. Nor do I try to give the impression that I'm somebody I'm not. In my book, if you want money from me your going to earn it -- and I've already paid to have my cabin cleaned, and my meals served .

Ive read this post a couple of times. I have to say, I agree completely.

[halos]

Unlike so many folks here, I don't just throw money around willy-nilly to get a "feel good" felling about myself. .

 

It's a matter of personal preference/perspective.

If you feel tipping is throwing money around then that's how you feel...

I feel spending one second in a casino is something I wouldn't do with my money.

To each his own. if gambling is enjoyable to you then it's not throwing away money.

If giving (even if it's what you consider too large an amount) in tips is enjoyable to some then that isn't throwing money away either.

No sense in being nasty about it.

[mikel24m]

 

Say what????? I am not responsible to pay their salary. That is what my cruise fare is supposed to be for.

 

If Micky chooses to pocket that instead of paying his employes a fair wage than that is his business.

 

A gratuity or tip is for going above and beyond what is expected.

 

not quoting me but I do agree with it

[Dave994]

 

not quoting me but I do agree with it

 

Ok Mike. Next time you feel like you deserve a raise, instead of asking your boss just tell him to remind patrons at the bar to tip you more.

 

That makes perfect sense to me ;)

[mikel24m]

 

If you noticed my earlier post I talked about the cruise lines. Both my experience on board Holland America when they had a no tip policy and an idea that I have been formulation for a while that came together in this thread. I have long talked about how cruise lines are hedging their bets. Owners of bars resturants do the same thing. They pay very little and expect customers to subsidise their business. When customers do not tip the owners are the first to say, poor workers, what a lousy customer you have. I say, pay the workers a decent salary and charge me a fair price, then let me tip if I get something great.

 

BTW. I remember when the tip rate was 10%. It was the unions in NY that decided they wanted a bigger percentage. Their 10% should have gone up with the prices of meals and drinks and they would have received pay raises. Just a note about greed.

 

BTW2, what is the right thing to do. Who sets the standard and who makes the decision. Why is it wrong to protest because one has a different standard. Why do europeans, austrailians and asian countries not tip. I was just in belize living with locals. They never tip, Its not their custom, but it has cought on and expected in tourist areas. That is a whole different standard. Tourist tip and locals do not. Are you for or against double standards?

 

I totally understand what you are saying but we cannot control what business owners do or do not do.As far as a restaurant/bar perspective they should charge the 18% gratuity to everyone just like the big parties ( they charge that because the server(s) that usually get the parties of ten or more dont get tipped right (or fairly) because everyones trying to figure their share of the bill!!

 

there are alot of countries that tipping is not a custom and I understand that.Americans know better!!

[mikel24m]

Ok Mike. Next time you feel like you deserve a raise, instead of asking your boss just tell him to remind patrons at the bar to tip you more.

 

That makes perfect sense to me ;)

 

I never feel the need to ask for a raise im Union;)

 

Myself not saying everyone who is in the service industry makes my own destiny .

 

Im great at what I do and have met many great patrons/friends over the years

 

 

These people working on a ship have no chance to win you over /get great service with the attitude of ...i will tip what I see fit IF I repeat IF service is abovee and beyond what I have aready paid.Then add the they are rich in their home countries attitude. Disgusting to me. sorry agree to disagree