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"Dancing of the Ships" Speculation

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Alexv500

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I don't think anything from the east coast will be going west. Maybe an Aussie ship might go to Cali. Don't expect a reposition around South America though. Why does this keep coming up?!

 

 

Because it could happen. You never know with Carnival. The west coast departures have been quite popular now, especially the 7 day Mexican riviera. A spirit class ship is highly needed in Tampa, so most likely Miracle might be heading to Tampa for 7 day western caribbean sailings.

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Because it could happen. You never know with Carnival. The west coast departures have been quite popular now, especially the 7 day Mexican riviera. A spirit class ship is highly needed in Tampa, so most likely Miracle might be heading to Tampa for 7 day western caribbean sailings.

 

 

I get that, but I think a Spirit class from Aussie replacing a Spirit class in Cali is more likely than letting another Spirit class be replaced by something larger from the east coast to allow Tampa to have another ship.

 

If Miracle is replaced, it won't be replaced by a larger ship. I might be wrong, but I highly doubt it.

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Alexv500

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I get that, but I think a Spirit class from Aussie replacing a Spirit class in Cali is more likely than letting another Spirit class be replaced by something larger from the east coast to allow Tampa to have another ship.

 

If Miracle is replaced, it won't be replaced by a larger ship. I might be wrong, but I highly doubt it.

 

 

We'll see what happens. Fingers crossed something interesting happens. Still wouldn't mind an Aussie spirit class ship, at least those have Waterworks

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Because it could happen. You never know with Carnival. The west coast departures have been quite popular now, especially the 7 day Mexican riviera. A spirit class ship is highly needed in Tampa, so most likely Miracle might be heading to Tampa for 7 day western caribbean sailings.

 

 

Let's take a moment to analyze this. For each segment of the 49 day transit from California to New York, fares reached $749, $949 and $899. For somebody staying onboard for the full transit, the cruise fare could have been as low as $2,597, or $371 per week averaged.

 

As we know longer cruises typically attract passengers who are more traveled and considerably older than your typical Carnival guest, we know this will skew the onboard spend. We know that the cruise fare is used as an attempt to cover the overhead and onboard spend contributes to the profit.

 

On a two week or longer transocean voyage, the ship is comprised by at least 75% Platinum and Diamond passengers who have already purchased the worthless merchandise from the Fun Shops. These passengers typically know how to get the best rate by manipulating fare codes. These passengers withdraw their onboard credit on a $1:$1 basis from the casino instead of spending $100obc costing Carnival $15. These passengers are older.

 

The average age on a transocean voyage can be in the 70s on Carnival; albeit transatlantic voyages are starting to garner more attention and the duration has been shortened to 13 days from 15-18. Passengers who are between the ages of 70 and 95 will not be purchasing Cheers, nor will they be drinking heavily. The most revenue Carnival can receive from onboard spend from these passengers will come from the slot machines, which in turn would earn them free drinks after a set number of points for the remainder of the voyage.

 

Ask yourself. Is Carnival really earning a profit on these cruises or are they simply sailing at the break-even point, if not at a loss? While some did the full transit around the horn, the revenue and occupancy levels are nowhere near what could have been earned from seven consecutive one week cruises. Then we have the fact that cruises from the west coast are being given away for free and nearly free, so how is it not too costly for them to bring a bigger ship to the west coast before the expansion in the Panama Canal is completed?

 

 

Thank you.

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Alexv500

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Let's take a moment to analyze this. For each segment of the 49 day transit from California to New York, fares reached $749, $949 and $899. For somebody staying onboard for the full transit, the cruise fare could have been as low as $2,597, or $371 per week averaged.[/color

 

 

As we know longer cruises typically attract passengers who are more traveled and considerably older than your typical Carnival guest, we know this will skew the onboard spend. We know that the cruise fare is used as an attempt to cover the overhead and onboard spend contributes to the profit.

 

On a two week or longer transocean voyage, the ship is comprised by at least 75% Platinum and Diamond passengers who have already purchased the worthless merchandise from the Fun Shops. These passengers typically know how to get the best rate by manipulating fare codes. These passengers withdraw their onboard credit on a $1:$1 basis from the casino instead of spending $100obc costing Carnival $15. These passengers are older.

 

The average age on a transocean voyage can be in the 70s on Carnival; albeit transatlantic voyages are starting to garner more attention and the duration has been shortened to 13 days from 15-18. Passengers who are between the ages of 70 and 95 will not be purchasing Cheers, nor will they be drinking heavily. The most revenue Carnival can receive from onboard spend from these passengers will come from the slot machines, which in turn would earn them free drinks after a set number of points for the remainder of the voyage.

 

Ask yourself. Is Carnival really earning a profit on these cruises or are they simply sailing at the break-even point, if not at a loss? While some did the full transit around the horn, the revenue and occupancy levels are nowhere near what could have been earned from seven consecutive one week cruises. Then we have the fact that cruises from the west coast are being given away for free and nearly free, so how is it not too costly for them to bring a bigger ship to the west coast before the expansion in the Panama Canal is completed?

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

Thank you for your logistical and revenue breakdown of a South American Voyage.

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Captain Carnival

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I heard something today that might narrow down the list of possible Spirit Class ships coming to Tampa that being either Miracle or Legend -plus- an exchange of another Fantasy clsss ship. Nothing "confirmed" mind you but very plausible. I guess we'll all see sometime tomorrow!

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I heard something today that might narrow down the list of possible Spirit Class ships coming to Tampa that being either Miracle or Legend -plus- an exchange of another Fantasy clsss ship. Nothing "confirmed" mind you but very plausible. I guess we'll all see sometime tomorrow!

 

Sounds good..............the story continues tomorrow ;) !!!

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