Royal Caribbean Fights Back!

[EBFURR]

I just watched the Opra thing. Call me a soft touch, but I tend to buy most of what JHS had to say. I have never suspected that she was the culprit in this, but have suspected from time to time that she had more knowledge than she was letting on. I think she is pretty much clueless as to what happened, probably from the drinking, which she acknowledged. She did hint around about being drugged, but would not come out and say it.

 

RCI did a pretty good job of looking credible and they were treated fairly, especially by Opra's friend, the reporter. I can see how they look a little "clinical" when dealing with this whole issue and JHS did a pretty good job of calling them on it. I am in no way knocking what RCI did and I have no indication that they are at fault either before or after the incident. I can see how they need to soften their approach to the involved parties and could probably use some public relations advice in how to deal with high profile accidents or whatever. They probably should have paid for the airfare and waived the charges to the cabin, etc. I think RCI pretty much admitted that on the show. Sometimes a little humility goes a long way, even when you are in the right.

 

The Smiths (parents and sister) came off as lunatics and liars, which is probably fairly accurate. I am sorry for their loss and cannot imagine losing one our children. I cannot buy into the theory that the loss of George give them the right to lie and slander RCI in the public media. They come off as looking like mercenaries trying to profit from the death.

[egh170]

WHAT??? You think RCL should pay their cabin charges. They get drunk, he has an accident and RCL should pay their bar tab!!! B.S. Did the Smiths have travel insurance? RCL originally handled it properly.

[cyscopup]

I too just watched the Oprah show and I have to wonder a couple of things...

 

1. Is Oprah's friend "Gayle" working for or with Jennifer?

 

2. Was "Gayle" on the cruise with them? She seems to know more about what happened on the ship than anyone. Also she kept telling Jennifer "that's what happened, right?"

 

3. Were the guests paid for this show?

 

OK everyone can now start "flaming me" out of here? I guess I just have an inquiring mind.

[caviargal]

I found Gayle King annoying also and did not agree with several of Oprah's comments, when she agreed with Jennifer that RCI should have done more.

 

I believe Mr. Goldstein was professional and careful in his responses. He came across well considering Jennifer is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[NYDee]

Jennifer doesn't remember anything except that she had a spa appointment!!!!

[AFT_LOVER]

since you may have enjoyed watching Jen lie some more with her new line after we heard "The FBI told me not to talk" now it is "I don't remember anything", yet she made it 2 hours in advance to her appointment. Now she is crying about GEORGE'S BILL from RCCL. Guess her name wasn't on the credit card as yet.

 

Her parents sat front & center & didn't say a word tho she tried to get them included. For the other poster telling that RCCL VP was on, no that was the PRESIDENT Goldstein, not the CEO Richard Fain who deserves the best accolades for all he has done. Goldstein was named President a few months ago & is quite a shy person. He apologized but stood his ground & if I heard him say WE ARE NOT PERFECT one more time I was going to destroy our Sony Grand Wega 65".

 

Oprah's friend who interviewed her was good getting a few shots in there such as kicking his balls, sleeping in the hallway but didn't mention outside the employee's doorway. No mention of Casino Manager either. Then a new pair of witnesses, parents of 3 girls on the cruise. She talked of having FBI breath that she could smell if Jen was drunk & she wasn't. I was feeling ill with them................ oh yes and another shot of George's parents & sister & that's when I tured it off.

 

 

Haven't seen today's show, but have the DVR going.....read the synopsis on the website and doesn't appear to be anything new other than the 'friends' I do have one question though that I have seen nothing on......where is Jennifer's family in all this or does she not have any? I would think that if my daughter was getting all this scrutiny and her new husbands family had given her the cold shoulder, I would be somewhat visible and supportive.

 

Mike

 

www.homepage.mac.com/csealove/

[1corona4u]

I love it when she complains about RCCL sending the bill for "George's" room (aka sea pass), like she had nothing to do with it. Not our bill, but George's bill. Guess that's her way of telling RCCL to go collect it from the fish.

 

Also, she has been doing social drinking, but has a complete black out from the time they leave the casino.... guess her social circle is a little different from mine.

 

I think she's a hoot....gotta love her ability to ignore reality.

 

Why does the term "high maintenance" come to mind.

 

I was thinking about the bill. I guess she just thought she wouldn't have to pay that. But what she doesn't know, is how there are probably different divisions or RCI that process those seapass bills, once the account is closed out.

 

I don't think they would have sent her anything, but a copy of it, and that's what I think it was, the copy. Which had no doubt been charged to their credit card. Unless someone specifically told that division not to charge them for anything, they would not have any clue who George & Jennifer Smith were, as I'm sure it was not as widely known then, as it is now.

[cyscopup]

We have cruised quite a bit, and we have never had RCCL send us a bill after on of our cruises. They have never even sent us a copy of our seapass ac. count afterwards either. So I would have to wonder exactly what she got a bill for.

Needless to say I don't believe a word she says about the incident..

[canucks4]

The assumption that the Turkish authorities would not do a competent investigation is wearing a little thin - what if the ship was docked in Paris, or Sydney or Halifax - would the assumption still be that only the FBI could perform a complete and thorough investigation. The authorities in Turkey might be getting a little annoyed at the inference that their work is substandard, i.e. "albeit their standards, not the US standards".

[wolfganghowell]

Guys - you're making me nuts. I still have to work, drive home and watch O while on the treadmill. Sounds like it was "interesting."

 

ts - with all due respect, just because a majority here disagrees with you does not mean we are drinking koolaid. I think the reference has been made before and I find it a little offensive. Comparing those of us who have formed an opinion that favors the known evidence with a sick cult of end of days freaks is a reach. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and once all the evidence is released you may be able to come back and gloat. Or maybe not. But chill with the koolaid remarks. (I stress respectfully again :) )

 

Looking forward to seeing JHS on O since I have worked with actors for over 20 years and I tend to be able to distinguish real emotion from coached emotion (occupational hazard I guess)

[1corona4u]

We have cruised quite a bit, and we have never had RCCL send us a bill after on of our cruises. They have never even sent us a copy of our seapass ac. count afterwards either. So I would have to wonder exactly what she got a bill for.

Needless to say I don't believe a word she says about the incident..

 

But, you were on the ship on the last day too, right? Maybe they sent a copy since they were not onboard that last day, when the copy would have been left in the room.

[Barky]

Guys - you're making me nuts. I still have to work, drive home and watch O while on the treadmill. Sounds like it was "interesting."

 

ts - with all due respect, just because a majority here disagrees with you does not mean we are drinking koolaid. I think the reference has been made before and I find it a little offensive. Comparing those of us who have formed an opinion that favors the known evidence with a sick cult of end of days freaks is a reach. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and once all the evidence is released you may be able to come back and gloat. Or maybe not. But chill with the koolaid remarks. (I stress respectfully again :) )

 

Looking forward to seeing JHS on O since I have worked with actors for over 20 years and I tend to be able to distinguish real emotion from coached emotion (occupational hazard I guess)

 

Rest assured, she was very well coached. She just doesn't cry on cue very well.

[Firefighterhoop]

I too just watched the Oprah show and I have to wonder a couple of things...

 

1. Is Oprah's friend "Gayle" working for or with Jennifer?

 

2. Was "Gayle" on the cruise with them? She seems to know more about what happened on the ship than anyone. Also she kept telling Jennifer "that's what happened, right?"

 

3. Were the guests paid for this show?

 

OK everyone can now start "flaming me" out of here? I guess I just have an inquiring mind.

 

I also agree. I was late getting home by about 8 minutes, so missed the first part of the show, and the way it came off was that Gayle was affilliated with Jennifer! In no way did it come off that she was supposed to be neutral!

[curlyd]

I just watched the O show - as I said earlier my friend was at the taping and I remember her telling me that O said more than once "What more did you want them to do?" So apparently that is on the cutting room floor.

 

Also regarding the Sea Pass bill - as the President said RCI was trying to do everything they could regarding the investigation and maybe they didn't pay attention to the smaller details. He was sorry.

 

On that note I was once rear ended by an ambulance (not on an emergency trip) I was taken to the hospital by another ambulance and at the time was told I wouldn't be billed. You guessed it - I got the bill in the mail. Right hand doesn't always know what the left hand has promised. I personally believe that JS is just as responsible for that Sea Pass bill as GS but that is JMO.

[bajsf]

Everytime we've cruised, the morning of the last day, we got our seapass card statement either under the door, or put in the doorjam on the outside or by the light fixture. Can't miss that thing!

 

I have to agree, after watching O(which I NEVER watch) that JHS is looking for $. Its a shame what happened, wished it never did, but she didn't look upset about George, just the bill that came in the mail. RC knows how much was spent on drinks that night(seapass card).

 

She did arrive 2 hours early for her spa appointment. If I was passed out in the hallway, and awakened at 4-430, I would still be sleeping at 8 and not ready for my couples massage spa appointment. Maybe she saw stuff when she awoke early, and wanted to GET OUT OF THE ROOM ASAP and pretend she never saw it, and Daddy and Mommy would take care of it.

 

Gotta turn on Rita Cosby and Gretta tonight for the follow-ups, I'm sure there will be something said.

[stanford's girl]

The sea pass account would show the alcohol consumption - excluding the alleged absinthe drinking.

Not totally. It would only show the drinks that they bought on the ship. But it wouldn't show the alcohol that they consumed off the ship that day, or any alcohol that they comsumed in their room or anybody else's room.

[canucks4]

I think Gayle was incorrect using the phrase "mea culpa" toward the end of the show. I also noted Goldstein fidget when she used it. In no way did I think he was saying RCI was to blame, yet those words were put in his mouth by her grandstanding saying how great it was that RCI stepped up to apologize. She wasn't listening to the show I was listening to. Did anyone else get that feeling?

[stanford's girl]

Jennifer keeps referring to Mr. Lee, a known forensics expert, about what should have and could have been done.

Does anyone know if JHS or his parents hired Mr. Lee?:confused: It has to be one or the other because her and the parents haven't talked.

[zotzer]

Jennifer hired him.

T

[Barky]

Does anyone know if JHS or his parents hired Mr. Lee?:confused: It has to be one or the other because her and the parents haven't talked.

 

JHS hired him.

[kenf333]

Does anyone know if JHS or his parents hired Mr. Lee?:confused: It has to be one or the other because her and the parents haven't talked.

 

She stated she hired him.

[byefairwind]

I think Gayle was incorrect using the phrase "mea culpa" toward the end of the show. I also noted Goldstein fidget when she used it. In no way did I think he was saying RCI was to blame, yet those words were put in his mouth by her grandstanding saying how great it was that RCI stepped up to apologize. She wasn't listening to the show I was listening to. Did anyone else get that feeling?

 

 

I got that feeling. He was sorry for the way a few things were not handled perfectly but she made it seem like everything was RCI's fault and he was apologizing for it.

 

Did I hear correctly that she is estranged from her in-laws? I had to miss a few minutes of the show.

[azbirdz]

The assumption that the Turkish authorities would not do a competent investigation is wearing a little thin - what if the ship was docked in Paris, or Sydney or Halifax - would the assumption still be that only the FBI could perform a complete and thorough investigation. The authorities in Turkey might be getting a little annoyed at the inference that their work is substandard, i.e. "albeit their standards, not the US standards".

 

Canucks4 I totally agree -- which is what I meant to imply. I gotta get better with the smiley faces to make my points! Wearing thin is the exactly what I feel too!

[Cruising89143]

I got that feeling. He was sorry for the way a few things were not handled perfectly but she made it seem like everything was RCI's fault and he was apologizing for it.

 

Did I hear correctly that she is estranged from her in-laws? I had to miss a few minutes of the show.

 

Yes, according to Jennifer she is estranged from her in-laws. One has to wonder what the in-laws know that we don't.

[www]

Ken I did think about what I said before I said it and I really don't feel sorry for either one of them. Thank God they were not driving and Thank God no one else was hurt as a result. I believe these two adults were hard core drinkers long before they got on board, but regardless of what they did before they boarded, or their lifestyle, what happened in and on that one night is a tragic conequence to each and their severe excesses of drinking this quantity of alcohol and it is all on them. And in horrible situations like this it is impossible to go back and change.

 

This was severely excessive drinking, a completely out of control and dangerous kind by two adults, not the average tipsy cruise ship celebration which looks tame by comparison.

I absolutely agree with you with one exception, I do feel sorry for them, especially for the man that lost his life, what a waste, but they are the ones responsible for their bad choices.