Why a set curfew for teens?

[Obaybee..tryingthisagain]

Soccer mom was there a curfew on this ship ? were these 15yr olds on there own? also my first contact with providing security to cruise lines in the med was in the 90s to stop prostitution on certain ship, the first signs were a higher than normal ratio of single middle aged adults, so the cost and the gestapo comments are fatuous, regards

 

 

Good grief, was that really necessary??

[crystalblue0610]

They set a curfew for teens:eek: what age like 17 and under. Great!

 

On CCL's Conquest we had the worst kids and teens running the halls after midnight and all over the ship. Some are very responsible but there are others who mess up it up for everyone else. Sad for the responsible ones

 

There is no justification for misbehaved adults....but at least they have something altering their perception and that's booze. The fact that kids and teens act the way they do at night under the influence of nothing is:rolleyes:

 

When I was a teen I never had a set curfew. Once I got my license and car I came in before midnight on my own. My city gets dangerous after dark so when dark can I'm stay a little bit then bring my but home. My parents never had to worry. Even now as an adult I don't stay out all night. It's just not my thing

[standby 06.30]

The more I think about it, this thread is just like most of the others that cause the most controversy. They all seem to revolve around people arguing over "the rules."

 

Why can't I bring my own liquor on board?

Why can't they enforce the rules and keep all those nasty kids out of the solarium?

Why do I have to have a curfew?

Why would they let a teenager in the Concierge Lounge after 5pm? :eek:

Why, why, why . . . ???

 

People seem to have their own pet rules that they either think aren't fair, and they justify themselves breaking the rule, or rules that they think the cruise line should enforce more strictly. There are all kinds of rules in society that we have to deal with every day. Some are strict rules, and for good reason. Some are more lax and are only really invoked when there is a problem. It's not that hard to grasp.

 

Yes, there is a curfew. This is one of those rules that they use some discretion in terms of how strictly they want to enforce it. But there are a number of good reasons that they may want to enforce a curfew, not the least of which is that most of the ship is trying to sleep that late at night and don't want a bunch of kids roaming around the ship. It doesn't matter that some teens might be quiet and respectful, and some adults may be loud and drunk. It doesn't matter that there are some 12-year-olds who know how to drive a car safely and some adults who should not be allowed near a motorized vehicle. That doesn't make it "Draconian" to set a minimum driving age.

 

The curfew is a way to keep order on the ship and make it a pleasant experience for the maximum number of passengers. And it is one of those rules that they enforce more some times than others, depending on the circumstances.

I agree with a number of your points, and disagree, with others, isnt social intercourse great,the only thing I dislike alcheme is personal attacks( because it makes me feel I have to respond) censorship, and new world wines:D I for one am glad you post, mate, regards

[standby 06.30]

First of all, please type your posts in a manner that I can understand (i.e. use sentences, punctuation, etc.)...

 

There was no curfew on this ship, although these activities had to have happenned well after midnight which is when the luggage was put out. Maybe if there were a curfew this would not have happened. Not sure if the kids acted alone when they stole the liquor as we obviously were not present or we would not have let this occur- they were alone when they were caught, based on the security reports.

I left school at 15 yrs for a number of reasons, one was 41yrs ago dyslexia was not treated as sympathetically as it is now, without a spell checker or my P A I struggle, I think to allow choice, please name the line or ship so both, young adults and adults will then be able to make a qualified decision, regards

[standby 06.30]

Good grief, was that really necessary??

I take it you mean the content of the post, not the post per se if it is the former the answer is yes, cruise ships reflect life, one of the methods used, was to check the cards you fill in at the end of the cruise, it was found that a high proportion of single cruisers responded very favourably to hotel staff with certain "qualification" age, country of origin etc, to make sure they were there on the cruisers return, it also related to cabin choice, having a wife who worked for various lines both in the carib and med/ baltic, what goes on "downstairs" also reflects life, check out cruise junkie, regards

[babyher]

You got that right!

 

We lived for years in my mom & dad's 2 family home and my mom would wait up for my wife and I to come home cause she would worry, even if we were only going to my in-laws house.

 

 

I'm 51 now and up until my mom passed away in 2001 when we would leave her house (after we and she moved) after a visit we were always reminded to give her 2 rings on the phone when we got home to let her know we got home safely.

 

She would hear of a rush hour accident and would call us in the evening just to see that we were ok!

 

I miss that a lot.

 

 

My Mom still wrries , I am 44 married, 3 teens , my own home , *LOL*

 

The funny thing is as time goes on I have become the worry wart. *LOL*

 

My Mom is in her 80s , God bless her still healthy and active and is always on the go. She lives alone and still drives and probably goes out more than DW and I.

 

Before she joined the 21st century and got a cell phone, I would call her and if i got the machine and she didn't call back in a few hours I would worry. Then she would finally call back and say "Jeez went out with so and so and had dinner, and went to the movies, and then visited so and so . Ya wanna know how many times I went to the bathroom today?" *LOL*

 

She actually calls me the mother hen. :)

 

Her friends make me laugh. They tell me "The other night we went out and your mom had to call you before she left to tell you she was going to the casino and ouldn't be home til after midnight, otherwise you would call the dogs out *LOL*

[barbaragrace]

Why a set curfew for teens?

 

Simple

Because that's a parent's responsibility.

[Obaybee..tryingthisagain]

I take it you mean the content of the post, not the post per se if it is the former the answer is yes, cruise ships reflect life, one of the methods used, was to check the cards you fill in at the end of the cruise, it was found that a high proportion of single cruisers responded very favourably to hotel staff with certain "qualification" age, country of origin etc, to make sure they were there on the cruisers return, it also related to cabin choice, having a wife who worked for various lines both in the carib and med/ baltic, what goes on "downstairs" also reflects life, check out cruise junkie, regards

 

 

Actually my problem was with the post per se. Never assume.

Some labels are better left off of a vacation type of message boards. Gestapo?? I don't need to check out cruise junkie, but thanks for the suggestion :rolleyes:

Your post was condescending and so is this one. Telling me where your wife works some how should impress me? Perhaps, however you don't know where I work, and I will spare you the details except to say you no doubt hear or read what I do daily.

"regards"

[Stoodo]

Perhaps if you wrote your thoughts in a more detailed manor, people wouldn't happen to assume.

[ddgleason]

This thread was going when I left for my cruise and now here I am back and it is still going! That's funny! Anyway, having just come back, I can without a doubt say I am glad there is a curfew for minors on board. From the adult side, that is. I have kids of my own, but they did not go with me on this trip. Adult time for hubby and me. Being adult time, we were both a little glad when curfew time hit and the young people had to go to their cabins. Generally, we were dancing in one of the lounges and while we did not do anything crazy or over the top, we still felt uncomfortable completely relaxing, having drinks, dancing, etc while teens where hanging out. There are places that are simply not appropriate for kids to be IMHO. A bar or lounge surrounded by adults drinking would have to be one of them. I know for us, we felt a lot more at ease when all the teens left.

 

And I think an earlier post said that the curfew is for unsupervised minors. If you are with the adult you are traveling with, you can stay out until the cows come home.

[jallison8378]

Does anyone know how the ship's crew even knows these kids are under 18? Do they ask to see your card before they shoo you away?

 

I went on 2 cruises prior to turning 18, and it was definitely a bummer to be shooed out of the library or off the pool deck at curfew time when I was just chatting with new friends I met on the cruise. It sucks that the few ruin the fun for the many. I always thought we should be left alone if we weren't causing trouble or annoying anyone, and I still believe that should be the policy, as subjective as it is.

 

I sympathize with the younger posters here who have had their fun cut short because of a curfew... but I mostly sympathize with them because of the reaction they've gotten on this board. (This is my first visit to the board, and after reading the entire thread, I certainly don't feel comfortable asking a question of my own.)

 

And by the way, what's up with 23 year old people acting like they're old and wise?! Since all the older and wiser folks are tooting their horns, I'm 23, I have a BA, a full-time job, I own a house, but I was 17 only 6 years ago! So soon we forget how much that age stinks when you're one of the mature ones. Give them a break!

[Stoodo]

 

And by the way, what's up with 23 year old people acting like they're old and wise?! Since all the older and wiser folks are tooting their horns, I'm 23, I have a BA, a full-time job, I own a house, but I was 17 only 6 years ago! So soon we forget how much that age stinks when you're one of the mature ones. Give them a break!

 

 

I have to agree with you.... The constant posting of the worldly 22 year old proclaiming that the "kids" should just suck it up is quite amusing. :)

[ddgleason]

I think age is subjective. Every age thinks they know everything, yet people older than them feel they are the ones in the know. So forgive each age group. It doesn't matter how old you are, there is always someone standing behind you a few years older. And invariably, the older person tends to give little pats on the head and says "Just wait until you are MY age; then you'll get it." Which is funny if you think the person older than them is saying the same thing. Every age thinks they know best.

 

Wow, I guess this post was way off topic. Wait, is there even a topic still for this thread or has it become a free for all? :D Quick, someone say something else to start a new random discussion! I like grapes! Anybody else?

[gmadvm]

i'm not sure if this has been answered because i didn't read all the posts, but how does security know who is under 18? do they ask to see your sea pass card? I'm 32 but I look awful young. I was getting some dirty looks in the solarium hot tub last year; I think they thought I was underage. Just wondering...

[Yumcha21]

i'm not sure if this has been answered because i didn't read all the posts, but how does security know who is under 18? do they ask to see your sea pass card? I'm 32 but I look awful young. I was getting some dirty looks in the solarium hot tub last year; I think they thought I was underage. Just wondering...

 

it depends on how many holes they punch on the card. i think 2 holes for under 18, 1 for over 18 and none for 21 and over.

 

as a teen it does suck to have curfew because i like to hang out and listen to whatever band is playing that particular night. Then again i've got a responsibility to watch my younger brother so my parents can have some "alone time" and i have to get up early the next morning for an excursion; so it does help out in a way.

[standby 06.30]

Actually my problem was with the post per se. Never assume.

Some labels are better left off of a vacation type of message boards. Gestapo?? I don't need to check out cruise junkie, but thanks for the suggestion :rolleyes:

Your post was condescending and so is this one. Telling me where your wife works some how should impress me? Perhaps, however you don't know where I work, and I will spare you the details except to say you no doubt hear or read what I do daily.

"regards"

I think someone has commented on the clarity of your responce, so I will leave that, I did quoted the word gestapo from another o/p, I dont care if you are impressed or not I used my wifes time within the cruise industry, to lend credibility to it, are you that conceited that you think you are the sole arbitor of this thread and I need to impress you, if it resonated with you then comment with clarity, My point was in our view this type of blanket curfew of young adults is unfair, that the cruise lines have the ability to police problems better, therefore not discriminating by age per se, I used some more serious examples to show that it is possible, I am sorry you found it condesending maybe that is more your problem than mine "kind regards"

[abridalmaven]

Wow, I can not believe this thread is still here. And my goodness wy such a fuss. There are loads of laws that seemingly are not needed and yet they still exist. I for one think seat belt laws are stupid, but yet the law exists. And all the pleading anyone can do to state their case is not going to change it.

They have curfews and that is that; get over it and move on. :rolleyes:

[beachchick]

I have to agree with you.... The constant posting of the worldly 22 year old proclaiming that the "kids" should just suck it up is quite amusing. :)

 

There's some truth to that, but the fact is that the years between 17 and 22 are pretty intense (for most people) in terms of growing maturity. By 22, many/most people have either gone to college or a technical school or been in the military or been working and supporting themselves for at least a few years. By 22, when reality has slapped you in the face and you're fully responsible for your full life, you can look back to the 17 y/o high school senior you were and realize how much you didn't know and how much you've had to grow up. True, this doesn't happen with everyone, but it is fairly typical. Those 5 or 6 years are usually huge in terms of learning life lessons.

 

beachchick

[babyher]

There's some truth to that, but the fact is that the years between 17 and 22 are pretty intense (for most people) in terms of growing maturity. By 22, many/most people have either gone to college or a technical school or been in the military or been working and supporting themselves for at least a few years. By 22, when reality has slapped you in the face and you're fully responsible for your full life, you can look back to the 17 y/o high school senior you were and realize how much you didn't know and how much you've had to grow up. True, this doesn't happen with everyone, but it is fairly typical. Those 5 or 6 years are usually huge in terms of learning life lessons.

 

beachchick

 

 

I agree , There are good examples to both sides. I know a couple of 22-24 yr olds who have their degrees, good paying jobs, own their own homes/condos, and are completely self supportive .

 

I also know a few 30-35 yr olds who have never left Mommy and Daddys house and still stock shelves or work at Jiffy Lube.

[Dolby1000]

I think we are at the point where everything has been said.

 

Apparently, not everyone has said it yet.

 

Dolby1000

[cruzinnluvinit]

There's some truth to that, but the fact is that the years between 17 and 22 are pretty intense (for most people) in terms of growing maturity. By 22, many/most people have either gone to college or a technical school or been in the military or been working and supporting themselves for at least a few years. By 22, when reality has slapped you in the face and you're fully responsible for your full life, you can look back to the 17 y/o high school senior you were and realize how much you didn't know and how much you've had to grow up. True, this doesn't happen with everyone, but it is fairly typical. Those 5 or 6 years are usually huge in terms of learning life lessons.

 

beachchick

Well said.

 

Linda

[jallison8378]

There's some truth to that, but the fact is that the years between 17 and 22 are pretty intense (for most people) in terms of growing maturity. By 22, many/most people have either gone to college or a technical school or been in the military or been working and supporting themselves for at least a few years. By 22, when reality has slapped you in the face and you're fully responsible for your full life, you can look back to the 17 y/o high school senior you were and realize how much you didn't know and how much you've had to grow up. True, this doesn't happen with everyone, but it is fairly typical. Those 5 or 6 years are usually huge in terms of learning life lessons.

 

beachchick

 

I don't think anyone would disagree with that...

 

But who likes being talked down to? It's a sure way to shut down constructive communication. Teenagers get that enough in their daily lives; it's too bad those who show maturity are still subject to it in online forums... about cruising, no less. IMAO.

[Obaybee..tryingthisagain]

Perhaps if you wrote your thoughts in a more detailed manor, people wouldn't happen to assume.

 

stoodo???? My ONLY comment was "geez was that necessary" Apparently my saying that hit a nerve with "standby" :confused:

My goodness this thread has taken an ugly personal turn, I think I will sign off on this thread.

[standby 06.30]

obaybee, you assumed you hit a nerve of mine, was it not you who told me never to assume? oh dear! regards