how acceptable are jeans?

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Gieves and Hawkes selling pre-tied bow-ties?

 

What ever is the world coming to?

 

They'll have women reading the news soon!

[daiB]

Actually Sue, I have to admit that I didn't wear black on my last cruise on black & white night:eek: (on QE2) I wore bright turquoise - mainly because I wasn't told when b&w night was before I put my dresses in for dry cleaning :rolleyes:

 

Karen

 

 

 

Bit of a ******** if your little black number is a first week cruise dress and the black & white night is the last formal do, on a 14 night cruise..:eek::eek:

 

 

Do you need a little black number in 2 sizes. 1st week and 2nd week.:D

 

 

 

Happy Cruising

 

 

 

 

:cool:

 

 

Dai

[Pontius Navigator]

I think there's a difference between 'telling' you what to wear and 'advising' you....

 

Went to a restaurant in town on Friday. They advised gentlemen to wear a jacket and tie.

 

Those that did not see or chose not to heed the advice were provided with jacket and ties. Now that is something that the cruise ships might consider. Rented from the shop of course.

 

In Egypt I had to wear a borrowed jacket in the Hilton, not because I chose to dress casually but because Egyptair had chosen to fly my baggage on a later flight.

[Britboys]

 

Those that did not see or chose not to heed the advice were provided with jacket and ties. Now that is something that the cruise ships might consider. Rented from the shop of course.

 

That's one 'Revenue Centre' the cruise lines haven't installed yet then. I'm sure it is only a matter or time.

 

Andrew

[Pontius Navigator]

Britboys, they are half-way there with the hire-rail.

 

My tailor hires out tux/Dj too. How common :)

[sunshinebob]

I had been reading this and the P&O's forums on and off for the last year in readiness for my upcoming cruise next month.

 

Whilst I appreciate this is my first post I feel compelled to start my account with a complaint.

 

I feel that some attitude shown in this thread and many others on the same subject in previous similar threads together with other subject matters concerning how other legitimate fare paying passengers are ruining "your" holidays by not fitting in with "your" expectations of what people should wear/do/say/go all smacks of the outdated bigoted general publics 1970's view on the many black/indian immigrants coming to Britain at that time.

 

You people should grasp change with both hands and learn from today rather than harping back to times when people were told how to live their lives and not encouraged to choose their own paths & dreams.

 

Sure , remember the past but its not your ship and if you dont like people in jeans thats your problem. I understand you are entitled to your opionins but you have to remember so is everybody else.

 

sunshinebob

[LibraLass41]

Hello Bob - not so sure about the sunshine bit !;)

 

Wow, what a first post.... I can agree with what you have to say I suppose, but by booking the P&O product and not say, Ocean Village which is geared towards casual cruising you have made your choice:confused:

 

The evenings onboard ship are the only time you are asked to comply with the dress code you know...you can wear your jeans in the day if you want, it maybe too hot anyway for them in the Caribbean or wherever.

 

There are now notices outside main restaurants in the evening asking you to respect the dress code, so if you turn up in your jeans at night don't expect to be served.and expect to be turned away..

 

But I do see where you are coming from.... I'm fed up with our nanny state on land too...... clip board man wanting to know how many bedrooms you have, how you throw away your rubbish, what you eat - and shouldn't (no bacon now! ),and telling you to cycle to work and not use the dreaded car ....... MIND HOW YOU GO !:)

 

What ship are you sailing on and where are you going?

 

Sue

[sunshinebob]

sue,

 

I understand too that people have a choice to cuise with different brands and that each has something to unique to offer. P&O seems to offer a more "classier" experiance than some of the more casual options and I understand that..

 

But , I my earlier post said I was not quite ready for the narrow mindedness shown on this and the other P&O cc forum over some many pathetic points by so many posters.

 

For the record am a mid 40 married white middle class ( if there is such a system anymore ) sterotypical ABC1. I am exactly the type of person that todays P&O advertising is aiming for but sadly I fear that if I come across the same attidues on board that I feel from these forums it will be my last P&O cruise.. Some people here may say good... And that they dont want "my type" ( what ever that means ) on "their" cruise anyway.. So be it..

 

I too am fed up with the nanny state and big brother. I dont like interference and all this Heath and Saftey rubbish. I like fatty Bacon , bent banannas and playing conkers. A blackboard is a blackboard not a chalkboard. I dont care if people are black , white , disabled , too fat or too thin , I like tollerance and understanding , I embrace the future , love the internet , drive too fast sometimes , swim after eating and wear red and green together. ( I must admit I dont like Chelsea but that about it !! )..

 

I am on the Oceana leaving Barbados on the 8th of December for 14 days and am looking forward to my trip....

 

Sunshinebob.

[LibraLass41]

Bob

We are the same age.....will you marry me?

 

 

lol

 

WELCOME TO THE SITE:D

 

Sue

[Pontius Navigator]

Bob, a brave post.

 

Brave maybe but in my opinion wrong headed. If P&O is indeed aiming for the casual jeans clad ABC1 then they should also change their dress code. It is the P&O, and others, dress codes and it is not for the fare paying holiday maker to decide to lead the change in fashions.

 

If we chose a ship because of its advertised formality then we do so in the expectations that this formality will be delivered and our fellow cruisers will comply.

 

Unlike you, who would appear to be leading the modern casual dressing revolution, I am quite happy to comply with whatever dress code is set and usually do not need any guidance either. It never crossed my mind to visit the Ritz without a lounge suit. Nor would I consider attending a formal dinner in anything else except the proper rig.

 

Sorry if I offend but

I understand you are entitled to your opionins but you have to remember so is everybody else.

 

I suspect you will not be wearing jeans to the formal dinners.

[sunshinebob]

PN,

 

Your comments in no way offend me but I think I must have not explained myself fully.. I am not in favour of jeans 24/7, and I not advocating a more casual dress code , all I was just concerned over was the many comments/feedback from other forum members. I will not be wearing jeans for dinner but I would not be bothered if other chose to.

 

My gripe is that many posts ( here and on P&O's own forum ) clearly indicated to me many members intolerance towards new cruisers , changing lifestyles , P&O's business direction in 2007 , silver service and dress codes. As I said this attitude reminded me of my memories of outdated narrow mindedness of many of the British public over immigration in the 1970's with many black/indian families coming into "their" country. I get the feeling that many posters here have an unwillingness to except anything different mindset.

 

P&O's client base is changing, no longer is the brand running two ships and catering for ageing middle class white Brits. Its expanding its fleet and its passenger demographic and certain sections of these forums dont like it. With out pigeon holing members here I suppose many older people become stuck in their ways I guess and resent change were as younger people accept things move on and have a open mind.

 

I dont want this thread to develop into a tit for tat , them and us , old verses young battle... I just fear my trip in six weeks will be my last P&O cruise if the undercurrent of feeling I sense here manifests its self on my holiday.

 

Sunshinebob

[Pontius Navigator]

SunshineBob, did you delete your post? I see where you are coming from now and I agree.

 

intolerance towards new cruisers , changing lifestyles , P&O's business direction in 2007 , silver service and dress codes

as it happens I bumped into some future Arcadia cruisers today who had heard that DJs were not required for the Caribbean but said they liked the formality and would be dressing for dinner!

Yes, it should not be intolerance but acceptance of change. by all means make their views known to P&O and others. As cruises become more casual then thye can migrate to a more formal cruise and so on rather than try and anchor their favorite ship in the past.

P&O's client base is changing

and in many ways I would guess P&O is changing too.

many older people become stuck in their ways I guess

this is human nature, resistance to change. I work in a change environment (the tide comes in twice per day) and I accept, nay relish, change. At home OTOH I see no need for change. The bedroom ceiling was OK yesterday and will be OK tomorrow :).#

[Norfolk Brit]

This seems to be a good thread to ask another of my daft little questions;). How many formal/informal (or whatever P&O call them)/casual nights can I expect on a 14 night cruise to the Baltic on Arcadia?

 

Mary (a wearer of jeans during the day, but not at dinner. Have seen them though on QM2, on a formal night. The denim-wearers were French):eek:.

[Pontius Navigator]

This seems to be a good thread to ask another of my daft little questions;). How many formal/informal (or whatever P&O call them)/casual nights can I expect on a 14 night cruise to the Baltic on Arcadia?

 

Mary (a wearer of jeans during the day, but not at dinner. Have seen them though on QM2, on a formal night. The denim-wearers were French):eek:.

 

Four.

 

I have been told that P&O have dropped the requirement for DJs in the Caribbean. I think it is an aircraft weight thing. I think the nights are still formal and I would guess that the dress of the day would be Red Sea/Planters. That is black trousers, open neck short sleeve shirts and epaulettes for the officers and long sleeved shirts, usually white, with ties, for the men. Why the difference? Traditionally no mosquitoes or air con in the Red Sea and lots of mosquitoes in the plantations :)

 

That is, of course, a guess.

[BrianI]

This seems to be a good thread to ask another of my daft little questions;). How many formal/informal (or whatever P&O call them)/casual nights can I expect on a 14 night cruise to the Baltic on Arcadia?

:eek:.

Probably 4 formal, 4 informal, 6 casual

Brian

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Quote:

"I feel that some attitude shown in this thread and many others on the same subject in previous similar threads together with other subject matters concerning how other legitimate fare paying passengers are ruining "your" holidays by not fitting in with "your" expectations of what people should wear/do/say/go all smacks of the outdated bigoted general publics 1970's view on the many black/indian immigrants coming to Britain at that time."

 

~~~

 

To link passengers who book with P&O and who expect the publicised dress and ambiance to be adhered to, with racism is a rather nasty slur against PO'ers, in general. Only a minority that I have met on board display unreconstructed "national socialist" tendencies.

 

In general, I'll think you will be pleasantly surprised on board the Oceana in the Caribbean, how pleasant most people are. Only 4 nights out of the 14 are formal, the rest are Smart Casual. As I have said before on this thread jeans just aren't suitable for evening wear or indeed up on deck or ashore during the day, given the temperatures and humidity.

 

I wager that this will not be your last P&O cruise.

[sunshinebob]

Mr MM

"To link passengers who book with P&O and who expect the publicised dress and ambiance to be adhered to, with racism is a rather nasty slur against PO'ers, in general. Only a minority that I have met on board display unreconstructed "national socialist" tendencies."

Again you miss understand me , I never called anybody a racist... I felt that some people’s closed mindset reminds me of the onions expressed my many less enlightened people over this other matter. I agree that there is "unreconstructed national socialist tendencies" in every walk of life but I perceive the same type of intolerance here over mundane things like dress code.

Some people here want to keep their cruising experiences the same year on year with the exclusion of others and their new wishes. They are unwilling to accept anything that is not in their comfort zone and is unusual ( like jeans and plated food !! ).

I for one work in a new modern environment. I dont wear a tie and dont adhere to traditional rules of business. I refuse to be dictated to and choose to lead my life in a way that "conforms" to my wishes rather than others. I treat every body on face value irrelevant of their upbringing , dress or education. I accept traditional values like trust , family , honesty and hard work but I ignore many of the stereotypical prejudices including creed , colour , social standing , clothing , age , ability and modernism.

I am not my father, I am an evolution of him and his persona. I am not better than he ( far from it ) just different. I respect the past but look to the future where as many here only look back into the past with rose tinted glasses. The past is the past, its not better its different.

I too hope I will enjoy my cruise , time will tell..

Sunshinebob.

[LibraLass41]

Four.

 

I have been told that P&O have dropped the requirement for DJs in the Caribbean. I think it is an aircraft weight thing. I think the nights are still formal and I would guess that the dress of the day would be Red Sea/Planters. That is black trousers, open neck short sleeve shirts and epaulettes for the officers and long sleeved shirts, usually white, with ties, for the men. Why the difference? Traditionally no mosquitoes or air con in the Red Sea and lots of mosquitoes in the plantations :)

 

That is, of course, a guess.

 

 

NO, NO NO !!!

 

They have dropped the semi-formal nights , so no need for a jacket and tie...BUT the tux is still worn on the 4 or so formal nights - so take the tux, but no need for a suit/jacket and tie, as the other nights are smart casual..... although some people still wear a jacket on those , but as its so hot out there not needed.

 

Sue

[jenniwreni]

Sue,

 

do you know how many formal/informal nights there are on a 14 night transatlantic crossing and caribbean combined cruise?

 

anything to keep his luggage allowance down is good new for me!!;)

 

Jenni

[LibraLass41]

Usually 4 formals on a 14n cruise, but nearer the time you could ring and ask.

Have a lovely time:D

Sue

[The Monocled Mutineer]

I concede you did not use the "R" word but I'm afraid it was the impression that I got, linking conforming of dress-codes to "outdated bigoted general publics 1970's view on the many black/indian immigrants coming to Britain at that time".

 

Dealing with the points in your latest reply:

 

Folks are entitled to express a traditionalist opinion (re dress codes). P&O over the years has responded to changes in society and attitudes and have relaxed the dress codes, to an extent.

 

However, I don't think it is right to denigrate those like myself who personnaly feel that the dress code traditions are being eroded.

 

One dress code I never conform to in the office is "Dress down Fridays" and personally I think tie-less men on business, serving in shops, restaurants or reading the news on TV, for example, just look plain scruffy. However, "relaxed dressing" is the way society is going and there is little I can do (and have no right to) to stop it other than to maintain my own standards when away from the home, garden, beach or recreation ground (participent) without being by greeted by sneers and prejeduce.

[CASPALL]

One dress code I never conform to in the office is "Dress down Fridays" and personally I think tie-less men on business, serving in shops, restaurants or reading the news on TV, for example, just look plain scruffy. However, "relaxed dressing" is the way society is going and there is little I can do (and have no right to) to stop it other than to maintain my own standards when away from the home, garden, beach or recreation ground (participent) without being by greeted by sneers and prejeduce.

 

Hear hear!!! Well written. I totally agree with you.

 

Caryl

[Pontius Navigator]

Funnily enough, at work my proper dress is an open necked shirt and sweater.

 

In the evening when I go out I wear a jacket and tie.

 

Once, when working with a couple of contractors they always wore jackets and ties at work. I met them one night at a local 3* Hotel for a meal. They were there without jackets and ties and of course I was wearing a suit as befits a 3* hotel!!!

[terry99]

There is an increasing choice of cruise companies and ships, and I don't understand why newcomers would want to change the established dress code and standards of dress.

If you don't like it, research your ship properly before you book.

[dak]

There is an increasing choice of cruise companies and ships, and I don't understand why newcomers would want to change the established dress code and standards of dress.

If you don't like it, research your ship properly before you book.

 

What a sensible post.

Well said Terry99!

 

David