Fuel Surcharge Illegal?

[sixgun8]

As a person in Management I see what he is saying. Sometimes the Poo does roll uphill. When Employees make less money then they are upset, which leads to customer complaints, which leads to headaches for management who then discipline the employees, who then quit or get fired, which creates more headaches for management, who complain to their superiors or end up quitting or getting termed for poor guest satisfaction. Then upper Management has to worry about finding new mid level Mgrs. etc etc etc.

 

most of the chaos we would never see.

[AZCRUISER14]

By spending $70 dollars less in the casino or on drinks would only be punishing myself not Carnival. by spending less would mean not having as much fun. All in our group agree that the only way our voice can be heard is through Carnival employees, therefore by not tipping our message will be heard LOUD AND CLEAR. There really is no other option, cancelling is out of the question, flights have been booked hotel resevations prior to the trip have been made. If all of us were to cancel it would be a huge finacial loss for all 36 of us. Carnival will not listen to us minions and by hitting the employees where it counts might get Carnival to listen. Their employees are a little higher up on the food chain than we are.

 

NO TIPPING

[In2why]

Then do something about it. File a law suit. File a complaint with the States Attorney General, cancel your cruise,,,, do something other than cry foul on an internet board

 

 

Actually quite a few of us have contacted the AG of Florida and he isn't whining he is correcting misinformation. This message board also let a lot of others know where to call and who to contact in case they were inclined to do so.

[Goofyisme]

It is very possible. Just don't tip. Don't understand why it would make enemies out of people on these boards. I have been on 14 cruises and have always tipped way more than required.

 

Now thanks to this corporate greed we are taking back what is ours. Carnival chose to rip us off and we choose to rip them off.

 

NO TIPPING

 

Probably wouldn't have tipped anyway this just gave them their excuse.

[In2why]

By spending $70 dollars less in the casino or on drinks would only be punishing myself not Carnival. by spending less would mean not having as much fun. All in our group agree that the only way our voice can be heard is through Carnival employees, therefore by not tipping our message will be heard LOUD AND CLEAR. There really is no other option, cancelling is out of the question, flights have been booked hotel resevations prior to the trip have been made. If all of us were to cancel it would be a huge finacial loss for all 36 of us. Carnival will not listen to us minions and by hitting the employees where it counts might get Carnival to listen. Their employees are a little higher up on the food chain than we are.

 

NO TIPPING

 

Don't feed the TROLL

[big_duck]

OK the solution to this is easy. There are 36 of us going on a 2 week Carnival Cruise in April 08. We have all decided not to tip the Waiters, Bus Boys, and Room Steward. This will get us all our 70 dollars back and then some. It will also send a message to Carnival through their employees. When these people don't get a tip and we let them know that it is because of the fuel surcharge, Carnival will have a whole bunch of disgruntled employees to deal with.

 

I urge all of you to rise up and send Carnival a message by not tipping their employees.

 

What a dumb idea. :rolleyes:

[sixgun8]

Actually quite a few of us have contacted the AG of Florida and he isn't whining he is correcting misinformation. This message board also let a lot of others know where to call and who to contact in case they were inclined to do so.

 

what was the result of your phone calls to the AG? did they back up he cruiselines or the consumers? Did they suggest going through your own states or the states you sail from or Home Offices of the lines?

[AZCRUISER14]

Actually if you give it some thought as we did, it is a GREAT idea!!! How else do you get the message across? We are open to suggestions that don't cost us additional money or affect the enjoyment we should get from our cruise.

 

So instead of just shooting a one line comment out there like "what a dumb idea" why don't you come up with some thoughtful suggestions.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

[deborahjo]

Am I missing something here and let me tell you I am not blond either. How does the fuel charge connect to employees? One has nothing to do with the other so you will punish one group of people who work damn hard for their money just because Carnival has added a fuel charge. I think you train of thought has gone off track somewhere.....

[L2J]

Don't feed the TROLL

 

Idiot was the word I would have chosen.:rolleyes:

[big_duck]

Actually if you give it some thought as we did, it is a GREAT idea!!! How else do you get the message across? We are open to suggestions that don't cost us additional money or affect the enjoyment we should get from our cruise.

 

So instead of just shooting a one line comment out there like "what a dumb idea" why don't you come up with some thoughtful suggestions.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

 

Only the most arrogant, self-centered spoiled brat would think it would be alright to take the food out of the mouths of someone less fortunate then themselves just to make a point.

 

Cut your bar, photo or casino budget by $70 bucks if you must. Protest should involve sacrifice not hardship for others.

[Goofyisme]

Unfortunately you can't fight stupid.

I am sure you are going to inform all the staff you intend to stiff that you are doing so at the beginning of the cruise. Seems only fair.

Anyone who believes this hurts anybody other than a bunch of people working to make sure you have a good time is delusional.

[sixgun8]

I would think the photographers make some sort of bonus or commision on the pics that get sold?? Any schmo can snap pics. You'd think these guys would be somewhat professional. Better not buy less photos. They need to eat too.:p

[VolzCruiser]

Unfortunately you can't fight stupid.

 

Cause stupid people will just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.

[cruisecruisecruise1234567]

You are not ripping Carnival off at all. You are ripping off the employees.

 

 

Well in all fairness, if he did not have his room serviced all week and only ate in the Lido,then he could tip just $1 per day person.It is CCL who won't let you not have a seat in the dining room.

 

If we want to call a tip, wages,then no it would be wrong.

 

If we want to call a tip a tip,then it is not wrong.

[AZCRUISER14]

No thoughtful suggestions yet. Still waiting. The only suggestions that are being received are ones that affect the quality of our cruise, such as buy less drinks spend less in the casino. These do not work. As you all can see by the lack of suggestions it is difficult to come up with a suggestion that works. This is the same problem that our group had and the only one we feel that would work is to not tip the Carnival employees.

 

I find it funny that when you seriously solicit suggestions that some people sink to name calling. Now that is real mature.

 

Still waiting for thoughtful suggestions that do not cost additional money or affect the quality of our cruise.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

[tbjl24]

Actually if you give it some thought as we did, it is a GREAT idea!!! How else do you get the message across? We are open to suggestions that don't cost us additional money or affect the enjoyment we should get from our cruise.

 

So instead of just shooting a one line comment out there like "what a dumb idea" why don't you come up with some thoughtful suggestions.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

 

I am ok with this, as long as:

 

1. You tell your cabin steward upfront and tell him/her please do not bother making up my room, picking up my towels, leaving my daily caper and towel animal, turning down your bed every night.

 

2. You do not eat in the Dining Room, EVER

 

3. Whenever you eat at the Lido, you clean up your after yourself, dishes, crumbs, wipe down the table, sweep the floor around your table.

 

Your tips cover all of these actions that you probably don't even think that someone has to do. So be upfront, you should get nothing for nothing. I doubt you will though.

[AZCRUISER14]

If we all cleaned up after ourselves the point would not be made . We are doing this to take a stand and make a point.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

[iluvindia]

I find it funny that when you seriously solicit suggestions that some people sink to name calling. Now that is real mature.

 

 

i told you

 

 

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[vacruizer]

If we all cleaned up after ourselves the point would not be made . We are doing this to take a stand and make a point.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

 

I can guarantee you that Carnival would pretty much not care whether or not the employees got stiffed. I just don't get the logic. It's like punishing the school janitor because you didn't like a decision the school board made.

 

I can tell you've never made your living from tips. Why on earth you would punish the lowest paid employees for a decision they had nothing to do with is beyond me. I also personally think it's just sefish. Protest by writing letters to corporate, booking another cruise line contact the attorney general, state corporation commission - whatever you feel necessary but you are directing your protest to people who have no power within the company at all by removing tips. Do you really think that some room steward is going to call up corporate and say - "guess what? I just got stiffed because you people added a fuel charge?" And if they did - that corporate would even care?

[tbjl24]

If we all cleaned up after ourselves the point would not be made . We are doing this to take a stand and make a point.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

 

Once again, the shareholders still get their money, and the working people who make the ships run the way they do, get stiffed.

 

If the employees complain, they will most likely just make the gratuities be paid BEFORE you even enter the ship.

[teedee]

If we all cleaned up after ourselves the point would not be made . We are doing this to take a stand and make a point.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

 

But your "point" is not hurting the Carnival Corp. at all. Do you think that they care if a few people on one cruse don't tip?? The only people you are hurting are the people who are working an incredible amount of hours a day to try and make YOUR vacation a good one. I doubt that they will go complain to management about this situiation because they need their jobs and are often supporting their families back home. I'm sorry, but your idea just doesn't make sense at all. If you feel this strongly about the issue then maybe you should cancel your cruise, then you wouldn't be giving Carnival any of your money.

 

I do not have an answer for you on what you should do, but I do know that this is not it.

[mjbearit]

If we all cleaned up after ourselves the point would not be made . We are doing this to take a stand and make a point.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

Well I hate to be the one to say this, but you are really not going to make an impact on Carnival by not tipping their employees, even 14 of you. We see this type of thing all the time in California when the gas prices spiral out of control. People start calling for a boycott of gas on a particular day. That doesn't work either, never has, never will. The only way something like that works is if everyone in the country walked to work for a week, then the oil companies MAY notice! If you want to get Carnivals attention get everyone to quite cruising, picket the piers, and virtually shut them down. But then even if you could get that together in one country (which you would never be able to do) there are other countries more than willing to pick up where we all left off. It's a cost of cruising. Period. You don't have to like it, I don't like it, but I'm not going to spend my hard earned vacation being bitter and making points. Start a letter writing campaign. Get as many people as you can to write one letter every day to Carnival and several emails a day. Inundate them with information that they would have to go through on the off chance it is something "important" (important to them, I'm not belittling here). Keep their phone lines jammed with calls complaining. Get everyone who has sailed with Carnival since the fuel charge take them to small claims court. If you want to be heard, that is the level of sacrifice it will take. Now keep in mind, you will probably never win a single court case, your email address will be banned on their system as spam, etc. But what you will do is force them to take some sort of action. Not tipping is not going to force them to do squat. All it's going to do is to temporarily assuage your sense of outrage, but you really won't accomplish a thing.

And if you do start any of these campaigns I have talked about here, count me out. I don't have an issue with it.

Now I believe I have met your criteria. No name calling, offered alternatives, was not nasty about it, so I get to state my opinion that you are embarking on a course that will affect the people least likely to have any effect on the gas surcharge. They are not going to go running to their employers and demand anything! They are going to think you are all a bunch of cheap you-know-whats using any excuse to get out of paying them tips. That would be my assumption if I worked in their position.

[Cuizer2]

Don't feed the TROLL

I think you are correct, another troll.

[Karypunx]

By spending $70 dollars less in the casino or on drinks would only be punishing myself not Carnival. by spending less would mean not having as much fun. All in our group agree that the only way our voice can be heard is through Carnival employees, therefore by not tipping our message will be heard LOUD AND CLEAR. There really is no other option, cancelling is out of the question, flights have been booked hotel resevations prior to the trip have been made. If all of us were to cancel it would be a huge finacial loss for all 36 of us. Carnival will not listen to us minions and by hitting the employees where it counts might get Carnival to listen. Their employees are a little higher up on the food chain than we are.

 

NO TIPPING

 

 

U SAID IT!!

 

"by spending less would mean not having as much fun."

 

LMAO!!

pay your surcharge...buy your drinks/pictures...go to the casino ...TIP the employees and ENJOY your cruise! ;)