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2 hours ago, luckyinpa said:
even with 100 percent perfection on the ship, how can you protect anyone since many people get off at the ports. you cannot control people at the ports. impossible. 100% guarantee someone will bring it back on the ship that hasnt had it before. and i dont believe you show a temperature that quick do you? or if i'm infected on my way to the ship does it show up on any test just minutes after i get it?
i just think any thing that happens on the ship is wasted effort once you get off at any port. and no one has stated what the procedure is to get people home who have a temp. does the cruise line pay airfare and pack your stuff and send it to you and give you a refund? imagine being kicked off half way around the world and stranded. who wants that risk?
That is a very good point, I agree with you totally, what happens when you get to a port of call, that could be a problem and then if you have a temp coming back to the ship and you didn't have one when you left for the tour and started coming down by the end of the tour then what happens, does the ship refuse you back on and what about the bus load of people you were in contact with. That was a very good comment you made and it has opened up a can of worms.
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12 hours ago, Georgia_Peaches said:
I understand your point, but aren't sneezed vapors airborne? They have to fly through the air in order to land where ever....
Our Surgeon General has repeatedly explained that, "I wear a mask to protect you. You wear a mask to protect me." So in theory, by your example, a person who is infected and sneezes in a line of people is protecting others by wearing a mask when they sneeze.
Mask wearing is mixed in our area. I don't wear one when I'm outside but there is a stigma developing in that if you don't wear one in public then you must not care about others. IDK...the whole thing is exhausting!
Stay well!
When someone sneezes or coughs it is definitely airborne but when people do sneeze or coughs and u are walking towards them u naturally steer well away from them and it is usually a lot more than 2 metres but if you are in a queue then you are a sitting target. There are doctors who wear all the PPE 's and they follow all the strictest requirements and some of them have caught it so you just wearing a face mask is not going to save you and if you make a unknowingly mistake while wearing the mask then you want to hope you weren't near an infected person. What I do when I go to the shops, I don't get into queues and I get in an get what I need then get out as quick as possible then when I get home I immediately head to the bathroom and wash my hands with warm soap and water and while i am waiting for the hot tap to warm up I scrub my hands with a disinfecting soap and by doing this you are giving the antibacterial soap time to work before washing the soap off and if you did touch your face by accident then wash your face. If you eat out then before you even touch the food wash your hands. But I wouldn't eat out at the moment as you are in around a few people so take it home and have. The word is don't linger. People went mad buying hand sanitizers. "What a joke" then they would wander " linger" around the shops thinking they are protected and picking things up, touching things in the stores and guess what the first thing they touched just broke the protective barrier. False sense of security and sore and cracked hands making it easy for any type of bacteria to gain entry to your body. . What do you do in a war you get to know your enemy and this virus is the enemy. This virus has a shell and you have to break down that shell before you can successfully kill it that is why your hand sanitizer has around 60% to 70% and no more than 70% and no less than 60% because if you have too high a percentage of alcohol it dries off to fast and does not get the time to go to work braking the barriers that virus has and too little of a percentage well you might as well just drink it because it won't work. All through this I have not used face masks but have used gloves a couple of times when I was in a high risk areas and always washed my hands regularly and do not touch anything in the house till you have thoroughly wash those hands. If I was in America I wouldn't step out side my door until the virus was reducing because what I have been reading it is a mess and I feel sorry for the innocent party who are doing the right thing. forget about your rights to freedom at the moment because obviously this bug is walking all over you lot and winning. Don't let it beat you. America is a great nation and very proud but at the moment you are doing what this virus wants and that is to mingle.
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1 hour ago, Georgia_Peaches said:
I understand your point, but aren't sneezed vapors airborne? They have to fly through the air in order to land where ever....
Our Surgeon General has repeatedly explained that, "I wear a mask to protect you. You wear a mask to protect me." So in theory, by your example, a person who is infected and sneezes in a line of people is protecting others by wearing a mask when they sneeze.
Mask wearing is mixed in our area. I don't wear one when I'm outside but there is a stigma developing in that if you don't wear one in public then you must not care about others. IDK...the whole thing is exhausting!
Stay well!
There is no stigma here plus we followed the rules and did as we were told and now we are pretty much wiping it out here in Australia and there was only about 10 cases in the whole country. There are about 2.5 mil people recovered and only about 10 cases who have it now so far. We are told that New Zealand and Australia are planning on opening the borders to the two countries so people can holiday at each others countries. So far New Zealand and Australia are getting in control of the virus. I can only hope America can beat the virus.
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40 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said:
Sorry, don't mean to be a pest, but this is wrong too, according to our public health officials. Not sure how a gloved hand will stop one from touching their face...by all reports (in our area, at least) gloved hands have the potential to do more to spread the virus than stop it.
It seems that in light of the demonstrations across our country, people are no longer worried about taking Covid precautions...much of that is out the window. Will be interesting to see what happens next as it relates to the spread.
Who told you that load of rubbish, a glove does more damaging by spreading the virus lol. Maybe we shouldn't wear gloves anywhere especially the operating room as we might spread a bug. Gloves will make you more conscious to do the right thing like don't touch face. I see people wearing masks and they are contaminating themselves by touching the mask and by removing it for a couple of seconds. If you have one on dam well leave it on maybe stick some duck tape across your face and mask so you remember not to remove it. Believe me if this virus was airborne I'd be wearing a full environment suit but it's not and if you even just have a slight cough or runny nose then wear one and better still stay at home and arrange to get tested and when you are in lockdown stay in lockdown that is the best way to beat this vicious virus and hope we can all cruise again and see each others countries but that will not happen while people are breaching the lockdown laws
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A gloved hand will make you more conscious not to touch your face. I deal with blood and faeces and I wear gloves and even before I go into that environment and my gloves are still clean the gloves remind me not to touch any part of my head were as if I had no gloves I would be more. incline to touch or scratch my face.
As for I don't care about other people, understand the virus first before saying that to anyone. Medical professionals have been saying all along you don't need to wear the masks. My advice to you is stay out of queues. People who don't care are the ones who have tested positive and still go shopping etc. What do you do when you see someone sneeze or cough you naturally give them a wide birth but that is impossible when you are stuck in a queue. Save the masks for the first responders. I think this virus has been around since early last year as Hong Kong airport back in May 2019 pretty much all airport officials were wearing masks and gowns and they even had temperature sensing cameras and monitors set up on tables and checking peoples temperature, so what were they checking for back then? the common cold lol.
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I don't know why people are wearing masks, for one thing it's not airborne and I think standing in queues waiting to get into a shop is where there is a good chance of catching it as you are in close proximity to a person for a long time and if that person in front of you or behind you has it and they sneeze or coughs while you are in that queue then bad luck because when a person sneezes or cough their vapors can go up to 2 metres, do I need to say more, get rid of queuing. I have never worn a mask and I won't get into a queue either. People who wear the masks usually wear them wrong and wear the same mask day in day out. I see people wearing masks in shops touch their face, take their masks off for a second or 2 to scratch their face. All wrong, you put a face mask on and you leave it on till you get home and definitely don't touch it or take it off till you are home. If you want to protect yourself then wear gloves as they will automatically stop you touching your face, just try it next time you are out, the normal thing is to use the back of your hand not your fingers as fingers are the things that have touched to contaminated surfaces. All you are doing is taking valuable medical supplies away from the medical teams. Wearing a mask only gives you a false sense of security and you end up doing the wrong thing thinking you are protected. To stay protected is wash your hands before eating and always wash your hands with warm soapy water soon as you get home before touching anything in the home. I have been on a cruise ship that had been riddled with the Norovirus and how they got rid of it was by not letting new passengers near the ship till everything was sanitized even dropped bags off earlier and I think they were sanitized as well before bringing on to the ship then for 72 hours the buffet were covered over with plastic so you had to be served by the food staff and the whole time they had a lot of crew sanitizing everything including chairs regularly and that was on a 14 day cruise and no one got sick and not even the typical cruise cough but the cruises before my had the Norvirus bad. So yeah I think the cruise lines can do it and no need to wear masks Remember wash hands after being in public. .
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1 hour ago, LoveTheSoul said:
If you are on twitter, check out the hashtag #Coronavirus. There’s some questionable things going on and not being explained. I think they are trying to prevent a global panic
I was in Asia in April last year and the Chinese had temperature monitoring at the airports with officials wearing masks and gloves and a hell of lot of Chinese wearing masks as well and there was no mention of any viruses back then so why the monitoring stations and masks. It really makes you wonder.
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Blood tests can come back with false readings. I have had a few of them over the years.
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6 hours ago, CanonGraceCruiser said:
I thought that too. Then I read about conditions on the Diamond. That doesn't like fun. No water, delayed food and lousy quality. People hacking across the hall. And literally being stuck in your room with your family members for an indefinite period of time, using shampoo to wash your clothes. These are but a few of the stories I read about in the Diamond right now.Drink lots and lots of Alcohol kills bugs
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21 minutes ago, xpcdoojk said:
I was swabbed for the flu about 10 years ago, and I didn’t know the results for several days. I don’t think it is quite that simple
jc
Yeah test can be wrong as I had a annual blood test to see my health and I got put into hospital with blood clot to lungs and when they did cat scans and more blood tests and heart monitors they found nothing so yeah they can be wrong and I went through the rigger at the hospital wasting hospitals time and money when I was fine. When I was a kid the health department would come to the school and screen for TB Tuberculosis and some kids tested positive to the test scaring the life out of their parents and us too only to find it was a false reading. Years ago I had a blood test for a flu bug I had and it came back I was fine but yeah I was still sick with the bug and nothing showed up.
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While in my travels early last year I noticed that pretty much all the airports I called into in the Asia areas had set up temperature monitoring station at the airports and pulling passengers aside who had a temperature and a lot of Asians were wearing masks even the Authorities at the airports, now what was that all about, was it for the common cold don't think so. I think there was something going on back then.
As for cancelling a cruise I would with in a heart beat and I don't think you'd be covered for travel insurance if you went and got sick. you might be covered if you got caught out in the rain so to speak but to go out in it when it has been raining then you are at fault when you could have avoided it by not going. If you do go and your ships gets an infected person on board you can look forward to an extended cruise for who knows how long.
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I am concerned this outbreak may destroy the cruise industry that even cruise ships that are going to the Pacific Islands from Australia are being denied entry into a couple of Islands.
I find it strange that a plane load of people from Wuhan infected province went Christmas Island yet passengers from Shanghai and Hong Kong are brought into major airports and not quarantined just told to self quarantine in other words stay at home for 14 days. These passengers would possibly come from all over China just to get the flight out of China to get away from the virus.
Those temperature monitoring equipment at the airports won't pick up someone who isn't showing the signs of sickness as yet but they are infectious to who ever they come into contact with and how may of these people from these flights are really going to self quarantine, possible none. They will possibly think they don't have it and go out shopping, clubs, restauranting, etc.
They should quarantining everyone coming out of China not just Wuhan and surrounds.
How can Cruise lines screen passengers coming onboard and say who has it and who doesn't when this virus is infectious even when someone doesn't show they have it, look at the Diamond Princess and the other ships that are now showing signs of passengers coming down with it.
Until someone comes up with a vaccine this thing is not going away anytime soon and as for those ships in lock down in the Asian waters they reckon they have to be quarantined for 14 days but that 14 days doesn't really start till there is no one sick on board for 14 days not 14 days from first contact. I was on a ship that the cruise before mine had the Norovirus and the whole ship was quarantined and we couldn't board till all sanitizing was carried out and even our luggage had to be dropped at a different location away from the ship and we had to meet at a designated area away from the ship and no one could board till the all clear was given and that was around 5pm not the usual 11 am onward times. when onboard the whole ship was in high level sanitizing and for 72 hours and buffet counters were covered with plastic to stop people helping themselves. Even the crew from the back office crew to waiters were washing walls and railings and everywhere in between and they were exhausted by the time the 72 hours were up and that 72 hours would only be lifted if no one reported sick with the symptoms.
In that 14 day trip there was not one sick person not even a cough, it was the most healthy ship in the world and the Captain was proud that his crew and passengers come through it clean and the crew did a fantastic job. Every port we stopped at the locals in the shops would cringe because of concerns that we were going to infect them and when we told them that we had been through the sanitation for 72 hours and not one person is sick not even a cough then they felt relief, so how long will those ships in lock down going to be out of action who knows.
I think there was something going on early last year around April 2019 when a lot of the Asian countries even Hong Kong had set up temperature monitoring at the international airports and the staff monitoring the equipment had masks on and there was heaps of Asians wearing masks, so why did they have the equipment in place to monitor the common cold. There wasn't any bad viruses back then so why all those checks. I traveled pretty much all the way around the world and basically only saw these monitoring stations in Asia not even Sydney Airport had the equipment. My question is why was a majority of Asians wearing masks and the temperature monitoring equipment set up in those Asian countries when there was no threat.
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better than nothing I suppose plus as technology grows and gets better just look at the first ever computer, you needed a whole building to do simple maths equations, now look what we have and how far we have advanced in that area and people are making millions and billions on that technology. If you look at hydrogen and electricity they go to together and with the advances with electric cars and solar power in homes and now a better storage battery maybe it will be possible to product the hydrogen fuel. I tend to look at things in a positive way and feel there is some merit in that type of fuel but it will take time and money to develop and be viable. It will at the start be big, bulky and expensive to use but that's how the first computer started and I think there would have been negative feeling towards the first computer and people saying it wouldn't work and boy I bet they are sorry now. Or we could go back to Nuclear power.
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3 minutes ago, Underwatr said:
The inspection was required to be performed by an officer and at the time I was fairly low in the packing order. There really wasn't anyone I could have delegated it down to. The sub was only drydocked every couple of years so there weren't many opportunities to see the inside of a ballast tank.
At least when you got the higher rank and it was you who had to tell someone they had to go into the ballast you could do it knowingly you had done it yourself. Why did you pick a submarine, You had to be a certain type of person to handle that and you don't know if you are till you apply then oops too late. I believe subs stay under for months on end and not see day light, that would drive me nuts. I like to see the sun and stars when they are out and know what the weather is like each day.
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On 9/7/2019 at 12:31 AM, SRF said:
Crude oil had been predicted to have run out several times over the past 40 years. Strange, it never actually seems to do so.
But I do think we need to plan on it happening.
But again, you have to MAKE hydrogen. And you need energy to do so. So where do you get that energy? And why would you want to waste some of that energy making hydrogen, versus using it directly?
Solar and wind for starters.
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On 9/7/2019 at 12:36 AM, SRF said:
A more correct term would be that it prevents electrolytic corrosion.
Yep that's the one. stops corrosion and it attacks the cable not the ship, I think that's how it works.
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On 9/7/2019 at 5:25 AM, Underwatr said:
One of my jobs as a naval officer was to crawl around inside the ballast tanks while the sub was in drydock and hit the zinc anodes with a rubber hammer to make sure they wouldn't easily get knocked loose.
Did your C/O have a dislike to you or something, it sounds a bit like latrine duty and you only coped that if you or your unit did something wrong but you being an Officer you should have used some of those privileges as an Officer has and get some fool to go down and do it. By the way I never ever did Latrine duty or even guard duty.
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On 9/7/2019 at 12:31 AM, SRF said:
Crude oil had been predicted to have run out several times over the past 40 years. Strange, it never actually seems to do so.
But I do think we need to plan on it happening.
But again, you have to MAKE hydrogen. And you need energy to do so. So where do you get that energy? And why would you want to waste some of that energy making hydrogen, versus using it directly?
Then we go back to solar and wind for the energy to make Hydrogen. When we do need is an invention that we can produce the fuel for cars etc at home that way you get rid of the middle man, and the taxes. you can make your own Hydrogen fuel from a car battery but don't know how pure the stuff would be or even if it would work in an engine but end result the gas would ignite. So solar and wind would work great for the power, I'm not going to say that word source , darn it now I said it. If it could be used on ships then the water that is expelled out the exhaust can then be recycled back into a holding tank and no missions or smell. very cheap as long as those middle men don't get their hands on the finished designs and then patent the daylights out of it then lock it up so no one uses it or worse still, sell the finished product at a ridiculous price. Who knows down the track we might be able to buy the equipment that will make the gas safely at home then all you do is go to one of those big stores like Kmart, a bit like the home. brew.
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7 hours ago, SRF said:
Where do you get the hydrogen?
from water obviously which I might add contains 2 hydrogen to 1 oxygen, do I get 100% on my homework.
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On 9/5/2019 at 1:40 AM, Underwatr said:
If your energy source is wind/solar, hydrogen production through electrolysis may be inefficient but so is pumping crude oil out of the ground and refining it.
And crude oil is slowly running out or is that just a myth to get oil prices up.
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Electrolysis, that's new never heard of it, only heard about the cable that is a superficial cord on the back of a ship works with electrolysis.
I know how about the stuff you shake and bake, veggie oil and everything will smell of fish and chips, just need heaps of oil filters.
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You and your fuel sources, I feel like I'm in a uni lecture. Is this the physics class or the science class I'm not sure which class I'm supposed to be in. All I care about is getting cheap fuel for my company vehicles so we can stay afloat or the cruises I take the prices don't go through the roof. At least we are getting somewhere with a SOURCE and FUEL that is an alternative to what we are currently using. Look how far we have come since I made the comment about nuclear power. We have the Hydrogen and I'm not going to say that word I'm not game too. now all we need is transportation technology anyone want to comment on that one Lol. Beam me up Scotty.
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good luck trying to refuel it
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Has the new Omicron variant delay the restart of cruising?
in Australia & New Zealand Cruisers
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My business has gone to crap because this nsw government decided we needed a 3 month lock down then this new premier decided we need to open the international borders to get businesses running, look at nsw now, everyone is too sick to run the businesses. We nearly had the Delta strain under control after the 3 month lockdown, now we have hundreds of thousands sick. That 3 month lockdown was a waste of time. If the Premier wants to get international businesses in then he should open the borders for cruise ships as they bring in business. I can't see the difference between people coming in by plane and people coming by ship they all bring in business which is what this government wants.