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16 hours ago, firefly333 said:

Sorry but I dont believe it is false. Another tv doctor saying similar, how we shouldn't worry they are working 24/7 both companies to manufacture the doses. Nothing the doctors are saying jives with oh pfeizer has it but is just is holding it back. 

So you trust TV doctors over the manufacturer itself, one that has made sure to distance itself from American politics?

They should just credit us the points for the canceled cruises.

Yes, there is a ban on cruising.  The CDC requires a conditional sailing certificate to get past the ban.  You have to fulfill all the things in the CDC's return to sailing order to prove you're equipped and trained to follow all the CDC's new rules.   And Carnival outright said the CDC is holding them back from even doing test cruises required to satisfy the . And if it's true for them, it's true for everyone.

1 minute ago, Ashland said:

Nope...not at all...people watching is some of the best onboard entertainment...So bring it on 

Touche.

I just booked for late July to replace my March cruise. I don't even give that one 50/50 odds to happen but it's something to look forward to.

Just now, grandgeezer said:

The article is about 3 1/2 months ago. If they thought they had any leg to stand on they would have filed it then. The way the virus is spreading now, if the CDC had any guts, they’d issue a no sail order now.

I posted it because it give a legal basis for a lawsuit.

Resorts can be open. Hotels open. Restaurants open.  Trains and planes in service. But cruise lines are banned. There's legal basis for a lawsuit

1 minute ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Using what legal precedent?

Here's a summary

https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Government/ASTA-threatens-lawsuit-over-No-Sail-Act

If a 95% effective vaccine doesn't actually protect people from covid, then it's all for naught.

I mean we have a 40-50% effective flu vaccine and everything thinks its awesome

1 minute ago, HaveWeMetYet said:

If the CDC wanted test cruises to happen they would already be under way. It was just a way to extend the No Sail Order until after the election. Look for a new "No Sail Order" shortly. Probably at least 3 months but maybe longer.

This wouldn't surprise me one bit. I could see the cruise lines taking legal action at that point.

There was no requirement for more than one test cruise. The CDC order referred to "a test cruise or series of cruises"

Also the 60 day waiting period did not specify a successful test cruise was required before submitting  the paperwork that gave you your conditional sailing approval. Just that the test cruise had to satisfactorily been completed prior to getting the approval.

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

I just heard on the news what I suspected. There are no stockpiles of doses. Zero, none. They are now shipping it as soon as its manufactured. 

 

They asked what about those people with 2nd doses scheduled. The guy said they may be late, but the important thing is to get first doses into as many as they can.

 

All the short shipments had me suspecting as much. 

That ended up being a false, or at least misleading, report.  Pfizer said in response that they have all the reserved 2nd doses.

19 minutes ago, Ashland said:

I could care less what other's wear..has no bearing on my cruise at all.

Even large 60 yr old German men in speedos?

5 minutes ago, whitshel said:

A lot of All-Inclusive resorts in Mexico and the DR are now offering free covid testing for your return and if you test positive they will let you stay for 14 days at the resort, free of charge.    They just got back going an now this will halt a lot of people from traveling

A pretty damn smart idea.

ASTA wants some changes to the new policy, citing burdens on Americans coming home.

https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Travel-Agent-Issues/ASTA-asks-the-CDC-to-tweak-its-Covid-testing-order

I hope I'm wrong, too.

The only reason the CDC issued its return to sail guidelines when it did was because of the Trump administration (not meaning to start any political wars).  The CDC wanted to extend the ban well into 2021.  I fear this time next week under the new administration, cruising may see even further setbacks.

I thought they started adding a taco bar poolside to some of the ships in drydock

A year would be great, especially when you compare it to the flu vaccine which is 3-4 months.

3 minutes ago, kirtihk said:

How flying back home after the cruise on the same day (the majority do that) would be accomplished?

Because the CDC says the cruise lines have to test you before disembarkation (which seem a logistical mess, but isn't all of this unnecessary stuff?).

We're not big formal night fans, so I just wear a tie, no sports coat.

And I'm still more over dressed than others there.

The email you got said refund time frames are 45 days. 

6 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I get that. We have a Baltic cruise in August. We return back to the States the following day after cruise ends. It seems we need a negative test mid cruise to return home. 

The CDC says you can get a rapid antigen test. The big gray area is what kind of test the airlines will accept (like one of those at home tests). QUite  a burden placed on the airlines.

8 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I think everyone has the same issue. Not enough vaccines. If they had the vaccines, there wouldn’t be enough staff or Infrastructure to handle. 

Some states have enough vaccines and enough staff (for now), just lousy planning to actually let those staff administer the vaccinations.

Does the cost of insurance purchased through RC get converted to FCC, as well?

1 hour ago, George C said:

Not that crazy about rccl suite perks compared to other lines (celebrity and MSc) suite sun deck on oasis is just to far from pool, suite lounge is ok but with cheap wine, dinner in CK is nothing special after two nights we had rest of our dinners in specialty but liked it for breakfast and lunch.

But for those who aren't versed in suite life on the more premium lines, RC's suite perks are many levels above its price point competitors.