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  1. 2 hours ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

     

     

    It's unrealistic to believe there will be zero un-vaccinated people onboard any cruise ship regardless of the rules in place.  Fake vaccination cards were being openly sold on sites like ebay, amazon, etc before the government threatened.  You can still purchase fake vaccine passports on the dark web; not to mention that (apparently) it's extremely easy to just make one up yourself. We have no idea the number of fake vaccination cards that are currently circulating but I suspect it's quite high given the demand for fake vaccine passports (and negative covid tests for that matter).

     

    Of course, it is illegal to possess a fake vaccination card, but people are already using them for travel. IMO, it's likely safe to assume that vast majority of people who board one of the summer cruises will be vaccinated, and this will stop the threshold from being reached. But I have read countless posters state that they are happy to sail on a NCL cruise ship this summer since everyone will be vaccinated and I just don't believe that can ever happen. Perhaps that is why cruise ships are still requiring masks?

     

    The next obvious question is who will verify the authenticity of a vaccine card? The airlines are already resisting taking on the responsibility:

    “We cannot have either our crews or the people at Heathrow or other airports verifying the authenticity of all these documents,”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/fake-covid-19-certificates-hit-airlines-which-now-have-to-police-them-11618330621

    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccine-passports/booming-market-for-fake-covid-19-vaccine-passports-sparks-alarm-idUSL8N2M05AB

     

     

    With any luck, fake cards will prove to be statistically irrelevant. Unfortunately, we just don't know yet.  If you watch NCL's documentary on returning to cruise, you will notice that they say they are 'aiming' for all passengers vaccinated (the 'grand slam'). 

     

    By the way, has anyone actually seen a number or percentage assigned to the threshold? In other words, how many people need to test positive before everyone quarantines in their cabins? I'm very curious what this number (or percentage) actually is. 

     

     

    My son and i have Medicare. Providers of giving the vaccine billed Medicare for the ADMINISTRATION of the  vaccine and we both got our EOMBs showing the Medicarepayments. All the info on Medicare EOMB matches the CDC card and is a legal document. I have put the payment sheets along with the CDC cards to bring with us when traveling. You could forge the CDC card but not the Medicare payment sheets. 

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  2. I was told the same thing on the Hawaii cruise. Not being allowed off the ship while in port unless you have their excursion will not be welcome news to passengers. Many people get off ship in port just  to walk around and that wont be allowed. It will be that way for a long time. I want to do the Old Lahaina Luau (my favorite) but is not the ships luau excursion so will be a no go. Reality is sinking in.

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  3. Have not been told anything about onboard testing. I have a Hawaii cruise booked for November 2021 and they told me that only vaccinated passengers would be able to sail and due to that Covid testing after cruise will not be required to return back to the mainland. I am American and dont know what their policy will be for people from other countries. They seem to have the mindset that fully vaccinated passengers are not considered a threat on a cruise, at least that is what I understood in talking with them.

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  4. 3 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:

    Think that's ended now, most Cruise/Travel and other Businesses don't allow Emotional Support Animals anymore. Medical needs like the Diabetics and if Dog is trained that's different

    I am not referring to the phoney "therapy" dogs. I am talking about true service dogs that costs about $25,000.00 to train, and patient  has to train on site with the dog for 6 weeks. It is remarkable what dogs are capable of. Military have first option to receive a dog, unless blind.

  5. 28 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

    I can't imagine being rejected for a cruise or being booted off one because a dog said I was sick.  This is what we've come to, people ready to sign up for that.

     

    And FYI the dogs you've seen were looking for drugs, fruit, explosives etc. 

    No that is not true. Last crujse on Liberty of the seas there was a veteran with PTSD and he had a beautiful German Shepherd named Helen. She could sense when he was due to have night terrors, by the way he was breathing and could smell by his perspiration.She weighed 110 pounds and jumps on top of him so he would wake up. Google it for what dogs can do for medical purposes, such as low blood sugar for diabetics.

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  6. How about dogs? They can sniff out drugs, seizures, cancer, dead bodies and many other things. They can smell one drop of urine in a 55 gallon drum of water. They should be at airports, cruise terminals, anywhere else that needs to be searched, an are highly effective. Arent they already using them at some ports? Galveston had them walking through the rows of luggage, before passengers were disembarked. They also used them when 9/11 happened, we were waiting for our flight from Calgary to Dallas and they had dogs walking through the passengers at the gates. 

  7. 8 minutes ago, molly361 said:

    Actually he did not completely rule out flying as well but I think the test is the deal breaker.  Guess proof of vaccination alone doesn't cut it.  It was fun thinking about it for a little while today

    This seems to be getting worse with travel than I thought it would. We are 4 adults Fully vaccinated and now we have to pay an additional 1000.00 for testing. It is obvious the CDC does not want US citizens traveling at all.

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  8. 6 minutes ago, njhorseman said:

    By then they may have extended the immunity timeline. At worst I would think they would just require a negative COVID test as they do currently.

    The reality is that it's impossible to see that far down the road and one just has to accept that regulations are going to continually change.

    The picture you have on your post is a sulky rider? My great grandfather competed in races and sadly passed away at a young age in a sulky race accident. Thank you for encouragement, i thought we were so smart getting the vaccine early but the best thing is that we have much less risk being vaccinated now.

  9. 1 hour ago, njhorseman said:

    I don't think that's right.  I believe the three months comes from the original CDC guidance to those who have been vaccinated to only assume the vaccine is effective for three months after being fully vaccinated, with fully vaccinated defined as starting two weeks after you receive your final vaccine dose. That guidance was due to the fact that the EUAs were granted after Phase III trials that only extended about three months, a far shorter trial than vaccines would normally undergo.

    Now, three months after the first EUAs, there's every indication that the vaccines are effective for 6 months so I think the guidance will soon be extended to 6 months.

    I will be out of luck, my cruise in November would be 10 months after my second dose, this sucks

  10. Hawaii is considering letting tourists in with the card we all got when we were vaccinated. The one worry I have is the wording of the notices being sent out. They say vaccine cannot be more than 3 months prior and at least 2 weeks after the second jab. We were fully vaccinated in January but not flying there until November so we would not meet their criteria. We would need a booster but that hasnt even been addressed yet by anyone. 

  11. 1 hour ago, Ombud said:

    Getting vaccinated Wednesday!! Its my turn. Talked with 2 sisters: 1 just made her (& DH) appointment / the other insists the vaccine gives you bells palsy (😅🤣😂) and it's illegal to require vaccine or negative test to fly to Hawaii. I hope she gets stopped by TSA instead of getting there & being turned back

    OMG, they are REALLY strict. There was a couple on news who had both vaccine doses, then had a PCR test (both negative) at CVS 72 hours ahead but was processed at a lab that wasnt on thier approved list and when they landed in Hawaii they had to quarantine or

     fly back home. They flew back home.

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  12. Just now, Pratique said:

    It's not an assumption and Dallas is not representative of the entire country. New admissions are increasing and there is always a lag behind the testing results. Now is not the time to drop our guard.

     

    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions

    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#hospitalizations

    We have 29 million people in Texas, both large cities and small towns, so a pretty good benchmark. When we opened up 100% and stopped mask mandate, we were told there would be a massive outbreak and it did not happen. More vaccine in means less cases getting Covid. I watch many states stats, and they all are trending in the same manner. I dont give a damn about the CDC and their trackers. Go to the states and believe their numbers. CDC has flip fopped so many times, anything they say is questionable now.

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  13. 4 minutes ago, NightOne said:

     

    They look for whatever number supports their control over us. When death counts were higher they talked about that. When daily cases were higher they used that. These people are a bunch of academics who have no business making real world decisions.

    Amen brother!

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  14. 1 hour ago, paulh84 said:

     

    US hospitalizations are up 7% within the same two period even with 53% of the highest risk population being fully vaccinated. 25 states and PR saw an increase last week. That's concerning given the fairly aggressive vaccine progress. 

     

    Of course there is always more than just the number, but these are the metrics that will be heavily scrutinized, especially in terms of variants. The overall incidence still has to be lowered significantly. 

    The CDC from  the beginning said the goal is to have not  more than 15% of hospital beds filled with Covid patients, we have been way less than that for months. What difference does it make to worry about new cases. It matters how many are sick enough to be hospitalized, now with treatment and vaccine the numbers are dropping. Just because a person tests positive does not mean they will even have symptoms. States are opening up because they have met that criteria. When you have hundreds of people testing positive each day, BUT many thousands of people that day getting the vaccine, it can only go down.  Im high risk and fully vaccinated, i am not one bit nervous if I get it, then it is not an automatic death sentence. this is not March 2020. We know what it is, how to treat and we have a vaccine

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