Quo Vadis?

Doing my vacation search I can't find a Transatlantic for HAL and Princess either.

We're booked on Reflection (non-refundable) and we hope that it will be cancelled. 

I have no wish to go anywhere where I can't jump in the car and go home if ship happens.

However I looked at a certain vacation web site and I could still book a cruise.

After this is all over, there won't be many seniors left...😁

1 hour ago, tfred said:

 Holland America had perfected the art of attracting pax that didn't spend anything while on board - look at where they are now.  Mothballed a bunch of ships and basically on the ropes. 

Those ships that were recently mothballed were of a similar age to Horizon, Zenith, Century and similar to those Royal also scrapped... (I think)

on the ropes.?  Are HAL revenues separated from the rest of the Carnival empire for comparison purposes?  Just wondering how it compares to Celebrity revenue details.

So my source was right on...

So what does a non-phone carrying, non-USA phone provider customer do?

If internet is available in the terminal life could be so much easier for those not tied to a phone.

Carnival Has removed December cruises from their website and Norwegian just cancelled December cruises.

Royal will do as it wants to..

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23796-carnival-removes-december-cruises-from-website.html

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23799-norwegian-cancels-all-december-cruises.html

2 minutes ago, Host Jazzbeau said:

  Yes it will increase the prices, but this should help make Inside cabins 'break even' rather than loss leaders.

I would really like to know, if ships are sailing at reduced capacity, which cabin categories will not be offered for booking.

The lack of guidance on this ticks me off more than anything... other than not cruising at all.

6 hours ago, C-Dragons said:

It would have been nice to hear “the news” from the horse's mouth, i.e. Celebrity, rather than indulge in all this speculation.

Over the last six months what information about anything, other  than sales, has Celebrity given us.  Nada, nix, nothing..

Without speculation, these boards would have nothing to "talk" about.

53 minutes ago, bikerunner said:

That’s the crazy thing about social media, celebrity has not posted anything.  This is rumor is from someone seeing something posted on Facebook on a celebrity group.maybe, slightly, doubtful the person has some insight but would have the same if I posted ooohh I heard that Edge n Apex collided and sunk. All fake news.  

If it's anything I've come to realize over the last few years: if someone says it's fake  news, it will be the gospel truth.😉

Read this line by line:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23792-cdc-to-require-simulated-voyages-here-s-what-they-are.html

"The cruise ship operator must conduct laboratory testing of all passengers and crew on the day of embarkation and the day of disembarkation as required by CDC technical instructions or orders. Laboratory test results must be available prior to passengers embarking and prior to passengers and crew departing for their final destinations after disembarking the ship. Crew and passengers must also be laboratory tested again post-disembarkation as required by CDC technical instructions or orders."

Imagine 2,000 to 5,000 passengers being tested prior to disembarkation.  How much equipment and staff would be required to process those tests in a timely fashion before passengers can begin disembarkation? And post disembarkation where... at the airport, a hotel, at home?

53 minutes ago, cantstopingcruising said:

 

I believe Quebec and Alberta are higher than the national average but 7 American States are higher than that.  Some provinces and some states are much better at controlling the spread of covid. 

I was raving about our local situation with no new cases but now there is an explosion:

from zero to 35 cases in a population of 100,000.

On 10/23/2020 at 9:39 PM, ABoatNerd said:

Well here in Toronto, we are increasingly locked down.

 

Beyond insane. 

So you Americans, it is not just your most dear country, gather your selves up and move forward USA.

Canada is not the paragon of success it has been portrayed in the media, by any means. Check out British Columbia.

 

 

 

As of Oct 29, USA is of course #1 with 27K cases per million, Canada Ranks 31st with 6K cases per million.

https://www.covid-19canada.com/

https://www.covid-19us.live/

2 hours ago, verizon said:

When you look at countries like Germany,France, Spain,Italy and USA its much safer to stay at sea than land.

I guess that the ship would be safe as long a passengers and crew do not come from Germany, France, Spain, Italy and the USA... and every other country that has spiking infection numbers.

We are very content staying home away from the sea of troubles out there.

My source is confidential.

I did call a certain 800 number to get more information and the speculation was confirmed as in the talks stage.

The impact on loyalty programs was unknown.

I am not a travel agent other than booking cruises for my wife (who pays me well with TLC.)

If the rumour is true, then Celebrity has a free focus group on CC.

Since my crystal ball predicts no opening of borders between Canada and the USA until at least March 2021, we don't have to worry about booking any new cruises from any company.

Celebrity has been opaque in potential changes affecting passengers who are already booked.

We are living in an information vacuum.

By the way I like my avatar.

All of this speculation of getting points to reach a certain level may soon become meaningless. If the rumours are true that Celebrity will become an all inclusive cruiseline the perks are included in the fare, which I am sure will be substantially higher than now.  

Royal is offering cruises out of Singapore in Dec. on the Quantum... sailing at 50% capacity.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23639-here-are-royal-caribbean-s-new-december-cruises.html

On 10/4/2020 at 12:42 PM, mnocket said:

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you🙂

We don't want to be in anyone's boat for the unforeseeable future.

http://view.email.celebritycruises.com/?qs=20cb488de24c46282a40dae57330c350c21c811ecac4627b9df877b1ce95249818119cd1d14c2df3c2deed812a9955a34b488dcaa6543401f1f21896454119f8d56dfdc8823bd00b48cb7f770c2cc9d1b6593b2f69a1d3fd

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23531-clia-adopts-health-protocols-including-100-testing-for-passengers-and-crew.html

5 minutes ago, ABoatNerd said:

And what happens if you get a false positive?  That is the question for many CC posters.

 

That's a true negative.😉

The only perk that would make me book another cruise is free or low cost insurance to cover hospital bills, quarantine costs and flight evacuation home in case of covid infection on board.

If the cruise lines can't guarantee a safe environment why would we put our lives at risk.

1951 Georgic Transatlantic

3 hours ago, ExArkie said:

1. Public comments most definitely follow Sturgeon's Law, i.e., "ninety percent of everything is crap" as coined by science fiction writer Theodore Sturgeon.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"...

11 hours ago, WonderMan3 said:

"The public" has been screaming for schools and colleges to open too. They have and now students are testing positive, hundreds are being quarantined and some of these places have now had to shut down again. You can't fix stupid.

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." George Carlin.

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.