SonnekeH

I hope you mean Zuiderdam on January 25? Wouldn't want you to come to FLL a day late :eek:

 

I was on the Zuiderdam in December for the partial Panama transit like yours. Indonesian food like Satays, Beef Rendang and Nasi Goreng were available for at least one lunch and one late night snack. CrewNews' menus that he posted on his website also show Indonesian dishes. I don't recall if Rijsttafel happened, I think there was an Indonesian tea in the MDR one afternoon but I didn't go.

OOPS! Yes, I meant Jan 25:o....on the 26th I hope to be enjoying my clam shell on HMC!

And thanks for the info. It looks like one way or another I'll be able to get my Indonesian food fix:D

It is impossible to say with certainty if it will be available on every cruise, but my experience is that Nassi and several side dishes are often available at lunch in the Lido on the Dam ships. Depending on the amount of people from Holland or Dutch decent, it may occur that special rijsttafel events are organized during a cruise, either in the MDR for lunch, or in a special location at the lido pool. Since Indonesian dishes are always available for the crew, you can try a special order in the MDR, they do serve this on request on occasion!

Thanks! I will give that a try...I love Nasi and Bahmi...Pisang Goreng.....yum

Does anyone know if Indonesian Rijsttafel, Nasi Goreng, Bahmi Goreng or any Indonesian dishes will be available on my Zuiderdam Cruise on Jan. 26?:)

Traumatic Brain Injury does not necessarily manifest its full effects immediately. Some effects manifest themselves over time and permanently.

 

Some of the posts in this thread have been a bit too snarky, for we do not know what the long term impact has been - might be severe cognitive difficulties, might be some form of dementia, etc.

 

In short, we have a jury system for a reason, and perhaps some should not be so cavalier in their judgments. TBI can be devastating to the individual and the family.

Was this passenger permanently disabled? Did he need constant nursing care?

In Ireland, at least, the snakes say " "

 

;)

In Canada the snakes are bilingual;)

Whether or not one needs therapy from witnessing this event, it's not Carnival's responsibility to provide for it. It would be appropriate for them to provide therapy for their crew members who dealt with rescuing this electrician and witnessed his death. But as for bystanders who came upon this after the fact, no. Just as others have said, one can witness an accident or death anywhere. I'm sick of folks looking for remuneration or freebies every time you turn around. As for the one who filmed this even on his phone, it obviously didn't traumatize him to do so and I'll bet he got some kind of compensation for turning the video over to the local news.

I am sure this video wasn't " turned over" to the local news.......it was SOLD to the highest bidder...I am also certain that this guy was PAID for the interviews he gave on the news channels. Sick.

I guess, perhaps because of my profession, I feel differently than many on this issue. My thoughts are:

 

1) the people are wrong to film;

2) the media is wrong to show it, indulge it, and try to make money off such a tragedy - the purpose of media is the educate and inform on the issues - a mission they have long forgotten, rather than attempt to make a buck by sensationalizing a tragedy;

3) the family of the deceased deserves any assistance Carnival can provide, and I am confident that they will. The reason I say this is even for a burial at sea, for guests, they charge nothing. The provide a time and place, staff to accompany you, and without request, a letter memorializing the event with a large photo of the ship in an album. If they are so generous when essentially doing a guest a favor, I am confident they will take care of their own.

4) no one else deserves anything. Crime, violence, accidents, death, and destruction happen everyday all around us. For the most part, we live in a bubble so we seemed shocked when we witness or are victimized by it, but it can happen at anytime. It is simply a fact of life. What if, as another poster said, you were witness to an equally horrific car crash? Who is going to compensate you for the horror? We have turned into a society where we are so "me first" and "what can I get out of this" that we have lost all perspective.

 

Personally, I watched the video. And believe me, I see, hear and smell much worse in my job as I have been a prosecutor working first hand with cops for almost 20 years. Most people have no idea what humanity can really do to each other. The news might report a robbery in a nearby city each night - I promise you there were 5 more that went unreported by the news, here in my area alone.

 

So what should be do? We pray for those who have died and those who grieve, discuss any fears with our kids and families, and move on and live our lives as a source of light against such darkness.

Amen. Well said.

Get on with your lives. Hug your loved ones. Live your lives the best way you know how.Look after your own. Be thankful for what you have. No one owes YOU anything.

Wow, some folks lives must be awesome if they can complain about HMC.

Exactly! With all your money, and free time, why not cruise somewhere else?:rolleyes:

I never said it was a pain. Sheesh! Just saying I (along with about 50% of the others that replied to this thread) am tired of almost every #FLL trip starting/ending there. Do more cruising, and maybe even you might reach that same opinion.

I should be so lucky

isn't it a pain to have to go, or not go, to Paradise 10 or more times...oh gee.....

Thank you much for your review! I will be leaving on Jan 25 for 11 days. Looking forard to it after reading your review!

my oldesr broter lives in LA...well,Harbor City. His dochter is in Irvine runs a fittness studio narried a marine. Won't ask if you know him, that is like us lauging at Anericans with snowskis strapped to roof racks in middle of summer!

very interesting:) En nog altijd het Nederlands bij gehouden/still always kept up your Dutch!

I last spoke Dutch in 1956, immigrated to Canada affter 2 years High School. Married young, to an Irishman who did not want to hear Dutch spoken in his home. Had 3 boys, all university educated. Went back to school got an accounting diploma. Worked for a Bank. Left the Irishman.....youngest son married a girl with Dutch parents.....he now speaks some Dutch...lol

Copper how come you know so much about all things "cruising"...and you speak Dutch...you know who to contact when the need arises..you found my "Groote Beer"......and..."Semper Fi"...are you a Marine?....I enjoy your posts! keep posting!

And you never make me feel unwelcome with my only 20 days of cruise experience, not like some posters here....

Thank you!

Is anyone else having problems with the web cam?

I did notify HAL before my Westerdam Mediterranean trip in 2007. We got invited to the Mariners reception, met the captain (can't recall his name) and recieved some Delft Blue plaques. But no Mariners points, at least not as far as I know

No stabilizers on that Big Dipper ;)

no stabilizers.....no veranda cabins....no Pinnacle.....I do believe there were 2 sittings for dinner, but I missed them all due to sea sickness.....but yes, she TOOTED! As we left the Wilhelmina kade in August 1956.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this board.......

Come on Westy, leave at 4.30! Want to hear those toots!

Alsjeblieft Sonneke, here you go:

 

http://www.theojanssen.ca/indonesia/Waterman%202.htm - pics are of her sister, Waterman

 

 

Dank je wel Copper!

I really deserve some Mariner points for that crossing....extra points for being horribly sea sick all the way....

omg you found her!!! You found my Groote Beer!

Wonder what Cruise Critics friends would have to say about her accommodations...food....shows.....(haha...my father played the piano in the bar, or his accordion anywhere!)

Westy looking for a 1630 departure

Yikes! She better leave right at 4.30, or I'll have to miss her sail away:eek:...or miss Mass:(

Dinner will be when the duck is done! :D

 

I am verger, sub deacon, thurifer or acolyte. (Episcopalian)

nice! Very busy time of year for you.:)

I am enjoying your sail aways, thank you for posting them. The Westerdam is my favourite ship, she was the first ship I cruised on. But not the first time on the Holland America Line. I was on "De Groote Beer" in 1956, came to Canada as an immigrant.

Hope Westie leaves on time...I am going to 5 pm Mass!

Heading to gym then when I get back I have to prep the Christmas duck - delayed because I was not up to cooking after serving at two church services Christmas Eve and and aother on Christmas morning.

good luck with the duck.....what time is dinner??

Serving at church services.......in what capacity, if I may ask?

Most definitely! ;) You grow up with a "broodje Kroket" or a "Gevulde koek" at half-time while at voetbal/soccer games at the "Olympisch Stadion" in Amsterdam. Try it once, you'll like it

ohhhhh I must try that...I guess when I left Holland I hadn't had a chanc to try that delicacy! I love kroketten though.....and bitterballen en poffertjes en oliebollen en appelflappen....yum...I wonder, do they serve oliebollen en appelflappen on Nieuwe Jaars avond?

what a wonderful mixture of people! Did you enjoy it?

OK, I usually catch that, but didn't tumble on this thread until your post. :D

 

But, I agree, it is still relevant. Although things have changed over the years. Here is a synopsis of our experiences/preferences.

 

Non-U.S. embarkation ports: We have always booked the cruise line hotel and transfer (Costa from Venice, HAL from Rome, Copenhagen, Dover and Amsterdam.) We got on the bus when we were told to ;) and checked in when we got to the terminal. As four-star and/or suite passengers in Dover and Amsterdam, it was somewhat faster, but still, the bus arrived when it did. Most times, we were on before or at lunch time.

 

U.S. ports:

 

Seattle twice: Seattle is basically home, and we had spent days ahead visiting our sons, so we boarded before noon, to enjoy the ship as much as we could.

 

Ft. Lauderdale and Tampa: Many times since 1996.

 

Early on, we took HAL flights (from Seattle) and booked HAL hotels (Hyatt Regency Pier 66, although once a Marriott at Miami airport; Marriots in Tampa), and did the "get on the bus now" thing, and waited in a large room in the terminal until our number (usually about 254, IIRC) for our "M" class guarantee was called and we joined the line to get our photo taken with the woman in Dutch traditional clothing ... usually about 2 p.m. We then would rush madly about, doing "chores" such as registering our credit card at the front office (this was before Internet was ubiquitous), sign up for the laundry package, get the shore excursion list and fill it out, usually in the Ocean Bar with a celebratory drink, and put in in the box (the shorex order, not the drink) by the shore excursion desk so we hopefully would get the ones we wanted, and try to breathe before boat drill. Somewhere in there, we would check to see if our rooms were ready and our bags had arrived.

 

Then, HAL started boarding early if you went to the Lido, and then, more recently, had the rooms ready pretty early. Coupled with that, Internet ordering of excursions, specialty dining options, etc. and the fact that we moved to the D.C. area and prefer to drive to Ft. Lauderdale/Tampa to arrive at least the day before, means we tend to arrive at the port just after 11:00 a.m. That's when inbound passengers are allowed to enter, the debarking passengers have mostly driven away from the parking garage and we have our choice of parking spots, and now that we are 4-star Mariners we get priority boarding, we find an arrival at about 11:30 in the terminal works fine for pretty much immediate boarding. Now that we have few or no "chores" to do (and free laundry, yes!), we just drop our bags in the cabin, get a quick snack and introduce ourselves to the bar staff(s).

 

(Much) shorter answer: We like to board early.

 

For debarkation, we usually get off early as well, using the drag your own bags option when available. In Fort Lauderdale and Tampa, it's so we get to our car and get on the road before traffic gets too, or at least more, crazy.

 

We debarked in New York several times, as well, and debarked there early as well, so we could get a cab to Penn Station to get an Amtrak train to D.C.

 

YMMV,

Dave

correct me if I'm wrong....but.......it is embark and disembark, is it not?

you don't "bark"(woof woof) or "debark" (taking the bark of a tree)?