phil the brit

6 hours ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

From chengkp75, who posted this a few weeks ago:

"One of the main reason that the guests are quarantined in their cabins most of the day, is that the AC in cabins is not shared or recirculated.  There are two AC systems on the ship.  One takes outside air, cools it, and supplies it to the cabins, in a one way flow.  This fresh air supplied to the cabins is almost balanced by the bathroom exhaust which takes the air to the outside, in a one way flow.  The fresh air supply is slightly greater than the exhaust to keep the cabin at a slight positive pressure relative to the outside, and to the passageway outside the cabin.  The AC controlled by the cabin thermostat is air within the cabin, that is recirculated within the cabin, passing over the individual cabin's cooler."

So why are they now taping up the air vents outside each room. i don't buy the air con is not part of the problem.

8 minutes ago, matadams4u said:

This is fascinating since it provides a possibility of a long term post crisis relationship that could be a win win.  A strong brand relationship with a responsible travel twist.  

Rearrange these words into a well known phrase or saying.

Horse bolted door stable shutting

Now everyone is trying to get off they come up with THIS plan!!

13 minutes ago, frugaltravel said:

I guess they should ask all the "experts" who post here in this thread 😀😀

Well if they did, they would probably not have come up with worse plans.

Got to really feel for the poor sods on that ship now.

5 minutes ago, AlyssaJames said:

 

Answer what questions? This was an unprecedented situation with a new disease, and while lots of people here have spoken confidently about how things should have been done differently, most of those people aren't even in agreement with each other about the specifics. 

 

And for the spooky 'we'll never know how many are dead in China' stuff, it's 2020, everyone has a cellphone and an online presence, and it's actually quite difficult to hide the fact of hundreds or thousands of dead bodies lying around. 

What questions? Are you serious? Questions about the poor decisions made by "experts" about air pollution, food delivery, contact with staff and other members of the public, screening, I could go on and on.

So many bad decisions. I know, monday morning quarterback is easy etc. David and Sally's room to hallway vent was only taped up THIS MORNING, a bit late don't you think?

Some "EXPERTS" are going to have to answer some alkward questions when this is all over.

I say experts, I wouldn't trust most of them to run a bath for me.

Can anyone involved make a good decision? Are they all imbeciles?

You cannot let anyone off this ship to just roam free wherever they please. 324 have proved positive in the LAST FOUR DAYS. Quarantine has NOT worked.

This is a recipe for disaster in all countries when these people make their way to their respective countries. They must all now go to isolation in a proper quarantined place for a further 14 days without the kind of appalling  interactions they have had on the ship. That was a complete waste of everybody's time on the ship obviously.

Also, when they work out who on the ship became infected and who didn't I am sure they will do a "planogram" of the ship with which rooms people were and were not infected in.

As is now proven beyond reasonable doubt, the thing on the ship is spreading like wild fire.

There were some pretty bad decisions made early days which with hindsight should have been better thought out.

BUT the Japanese didn't want them ashore for obvious reasons so I see why they were kept on board.

Food prep on onboard, a terrible decision. Letting people out on balconies without masks another bad idea particularly as they slope away with some people in upper ones looking directly down on the ones below in many cases.

Time to get off, from the telegraph.co.uk

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-15-20-intl-hnk/index.html

5 minutes ago, Psoque said:

I agree that the language barrier is a problem, and we can all agree that the ways to overcome that barrier would solve the problem.  But I am not sure exactly what you mean by "really not acceptable."  What is not acceptable.  It sounds like the barrier is not being addressed either intentionally or by neglect.  The healthcare professionals dealing with this quarantine, many of them volunteers (not getting paid at all), are doing this because they want to help.  Criticizing their possible lack of English fluency (or fluency in any other language) is inappropriate and it is coming from our sense of privilege.

Don't be silly, it is a fundamental necessity for SOMEONE to be on hand to translate conversations. Heck, you could at last resort get a phone translator very easily. There has to be a way to communicate between patient and doctor!

They won't let you book shore excursions because it will cause a lot of unnecessay paperwork if/when they have to cancel them because the ship is banned from entering port. Ship activities are a given being in their control.

This is an ever changing itinery and will be all the way through the cruise.

THey are NOT going to cancel it now, better get packed and gone.

Bloody hell, that's $100 less than yesterday. Might take my chances. Is that for a balcony room?

Can i have a link please or is that from the NCL website?

Oh, and a second question, as the two ports in Vietnam have now been changed to "days at sea" AND the change of embarkation port has been changed as well of course. This together then surely is so far away now from the original itinery that it becomes nothing like what was bought and paid for.

I mean, if I go into McDonalds and ask for a quarter pounder and given chicken nuggets then surely that is a "material change" that could be rejected?

Can I just clarify this point, if you booked through a UK travel agent you can enforce the change of departure port as a reason to cancel with a full refund. If you are from USA this does not count as a material change so cannot cancel (even with insurance)?