MarinerBoy

1 hour ago, Oville said:

Because you can, it is as easy as that.

 So can everyone else except they choose not to  because they are smarter with their money. I just said that your goal is to maximize cruising yearly  when you go on a cruise in a suite you limit your self to one or two cruises a year, where someone who is not in a suite can go on 2x or double as many cruises on the very same boat and the very same trip as you except they are doing it twice as often and exploring the world at double the rate and living double the life while you are blowing money on a suite that is widely accepted in the cruise industry as the single biggest waste after the casino.

I am still not quite sure to see why people ever book "suites" when you have a lot of time you want to maximize your dollar and your cruising frequency. That means each cruise cabin needs to be economical, your primary spending needs to be strategic. If you see a ocean view or balcony room for 2000/pp for a nice 12 day voyage why would you ever ever pay 3500/pp for a suite? Suites are never worth their value, for people seeking to maximize their cruising experience year after year your number one concern should be how to save money, and that means not booking a suite ever. I mean I never stayed in a suite on a cruise and I been on over 20+ cruises i would never be so careless or fruitless with my money because i understand the industry and room fares well.

I hear people on the board calling marketing "over paid" yet I can't think of a service more valuable, more sought after and more impact full than a properly put marketing presentation that takes dozens sometimes even hundreds of hours to compose. In the 21st century business world marketing, data collection and trend research is absolute king. It's why mellenials like my self can afford to travel first class because we have jobs like these which pay so much more than people think.

There is a reason why marketing and brand creation companies charge huge rates and retainers, because marketing companies offer the most value to brands like Celebrity.

Also marketing companies pay a premium to their employees, where average salaries are 90k plus per head we need to train companies like Celebrity that marketing firms are worth it. I work in marketing and its my job to convince buyers that our services are worth the 200k per presentation. 

No I am serious, because RCI has incredible value for the type of advanced super ships it has.. Carnival is the budget 300$/per week cruise line it has a niche, Holland America is about old folks that's fine, but Celebrity with its new pricing is basically a premium cruise line, if thats the case I much rather cruise on true first class lines where caviar and premium champagne are served like Regent, Viking, Crystal etc same price as Celebrity can you please convince me why I should choose Celebrity over another truly all inclusive premium line?

How does Celebrity plan to compete with RCI if RCI has better ships and way cheaper rates? You can argue Celebirty has better food, but if you want top food go to Crystal or Regent or Seabourn.. where exactly does Celebrity plan to fit in?

Its not true at all that celebrities don't cruise public or fly public. In fact many celebrity sightings occurs on 1st class transatlantic flights, on 5 star hotels in Maldives, on premium cruise lines etc.. these travel modes are "first class" the peak of society and accessible only to the rich who can afford them, including celebrities. So it's not at all unusual for billionaires, movie stars etc to enjoy the same high end cruises planes and resorts we can too.

6 hours ago, terrydtx said:

Before you start lambasting anyone who prefers to fly to Europe on Business class, know your facts. I am not bragging but making a point. We are flying in May 2021 from San Antonio to Venice RT on Delta Business class for $2760 per person. Our Business class seats in August from SAT to Barcelona and home to SAT from Lisbon are $2300 pp RT. I would never pay 8K per person. So for 4 RT Business class seats we are paying a little over $10K no where near the $50k you quoted. Both Delta flights next year are a little less than $1000 pp over coach or Delta Comfort fares, which is very easy to afford. We booked both also through Celebrity Air and saved a couple hundred dollars over the Delta online pricing. We also booked early when the flights first opened and the prices were the lowest. I will be waiting for your apology.

Business class is not first class.. first class transatlantic was discussed..  its about 2x to 3x business price and average first class ticket is 8k across the ocean. Cathay Pacific, Singapore airlines, Japan airlines, Lufthansa, Emirates, BA, Etihad, ANA air  just to name a few who fly true First Class.. American based airlines don't come close there is nothing first class about them. Listen if you make 200k a year from your retirement fund and choose to spend all of that traveling thats fine  but that's not rich or well off. You can say your well off if you can travel first class and at top cruise cabins all year and that amounts to 5 to 10% of your annual earnings then you have a case if you are spending 75% of your retirement income on travel you are a paper millionaire.

Also, anyone who is "frugal" was cheap then if you been cheap all your life then you won't be doing anything luxury. Cheap people don't fly first class they don't need or care for luxury things. Anyone who been so called frugal all their life will die frugal you don't just magically flip a switch and start spending money when you been hard wired all your life to save.

7 hours ago, vswan said:

Oh boy, I have to say that I know at least 3 couples in my extended family in a financial situation  to be able to do this. I'm not saying they do this, but they easily could.

 

If someone is retired, has their home and vehicles paid off and no major bills, and have been frugal with their savings this is very possible. Just because someone is retired doesn't mean they don't have income coming in from pensions, investments, rental properties, inheritance, business sales or other sources. If travel is how people spend their savings this is their choice.

Are you kidding me, again I don't buy it. You can't seriously believe this, 50k  year on flights? People retire with 1 million in a bank at 5% interest you get 50k paid total a year. You can't spend all of it on just flights..  what about all the 99.99% other spending? Someone who can afford to spend 50k a year on flights must generate 1 million annually on an on going basis. Who here has a pension plan that pays them 1 million a year? To get 1 mill a year at a decent rate of 5% you will need to have 20 million dollars saved. NO ONE has 20 million and goes on cruise ships.

5 hours ago, terrydtx said:

My wife and I are both retired Boomers (70 years old) and do not care who Celebrity markets too, it makes no difference to us. We can because of savings and aggressive financial investments while working,  afford to travel first class and almost as often as we want. So we have both the time and discretionary income to travel.

 

We choose to sail with Celebrity because we like the current product and for us the ability to book a great cabin (AQ or higher)  with a private dinning room  and get the 4 perks package for a little more but less than if bought individually, are what's important. If the Celebrity ships being filled with more Gen X or even Millennials, means the line stays profitable and in business, that is a good thing. As long as Celebrity keeps this current model we will be happy to sail with them for many years to come. Loyalty programs are nice but in the scheme of things not that important for us. We have 180,000 miles with American Airlines that we may never use because of covid and the drop in the AA product quality.

I don't think anyone here believes first class travel "any time" we want is available to 99% of posters here..  last time I checked a transatlantic first class tickets goes for 8k per person, traveling that 2x ppl several times a year will set you back a cool 50k a year just in air tickets. No one here has the type of retirement money to blow 50k a year purely on air, no one. 

So please ease off on the bragging and gross over generalizations we know when it comes to dollars and real figures peoples claims don't add up.

On 11/15/2020 at 8:45 PM, Shadow9612 said:

Exactly. 

 

 I don't mind Celebrity marketing to whomever they would like. I just wish they wouldn't dilute the  Captain club loyalty benefits.

2 hours ago, ScubesDad said:

 

Must be a lot of child labour happening on the west coast, as Gen z is the youngest cohort, born between 1997 and 2015- most are still in their childhood and the leading edge is just reaching adulthood.

 

However, the Millennial cohort does have a higher median household income by about 33% than the genX and boomer cohorts; however, the debt load of the millennial cohort is significantly higher. I would propose that the relative relationship between the cohorts as to who is "richer" is not as large as you are suggesting.

 

If you want to check my facts...  https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/millennials-income-statistics-canada-1.5106460

The thing is Celebrity doesnt want or care about the "average or normal" the median 55k salary people, those people arent even on their radar and neither are they on mine. I am talking about the creme the le crop 10% of the elite Millennials, who obtain wealth through inheritance, family money, trust funds, tech startups, entrepreneurs. There are millions of these guys, millions of them around the world. Way more than enough to fill every Celebrity ship everyday for the rest of eternity and then some.

It doesnt matter how these kids got their money, fact is they have it. Look around you, see teenagers in high end cars? Girls on instagram with designer purses? People flying first class to Maldives, yep all kids, all youth. All social media is youth because social media shows you what typical life is like, and everyday life of a mellenial is splendid, spectacular, right out of a move. So dont be fooled by what the media is saying that kids are broke, or have debt, or working at gas stations, that is not at all what life is like in the big cities. New York, LA, Vancouver - these are mega rich powerful cities filled with rich kids. This is what Celebrity wants.

Keep in mind its not cool or hip to have 80+ year people in wheel chairs on pamphlets of cruise flyers. You never see older people on social media, because they are not relevant - companies like Celebrity understand this fact. Its not cool to be barely alive as a senior , cruising isnt about seniors anymore, its about adventure. Celebrity is marketing cruising as an adventure for social media followers, these are young people - we need alcohol, we need adventure hikes, we need mingling, we need make out spots, we need debauchery - we are taking over the cruise industry. I feel so good about that, and we are going to push all these seniors out, let them find some other way to travel. 

On 11/16/2020 at 10:46 AM, Baron Barracuda said:

Working folks receive a limited number of vacation days each year so  If X is serious about focusing on younger cruisers they will likely have to shorten most sailings to 7 nights or less.   That would be a shame as we have always enjoyed longer itineraries.  Really miss the 14 night Southern Caribbean sailings they used to offer on Eclipse.

Working folks? What is this the 1960s? Working class is long gone, millennial and gen-zs are entrepreneurs. Most of us make money online, social media, video gaming, streaming, drop boxing, owning business.. nonone works 9 to 5, people have freedom and flexibility. Oh and more money than any other generation, we can go on vacations as we please.. take a look what Virgin is doing and Celebrity is following suit. Younger people are richer and have more free time than ever in our history.

This is a great move by CC, X-gens will embracing cruising, in this world you follow the dollar and the baby boomers are no longer in their sights.. a great time to be a x-gen and millennial, feels great. 

MEMORIAL DAY SALE!!!!!

Certain bookings FREE balcony with drink package. Just paid $1300 for an 11 day cruise for both of us! Balcony..drink package...YIPEEEEE OH YEAH...AND MY 5 PERCENT DISCOUNT. Oh, yeah....only $99 down payment!!!!!

What date what ship? I would like to book that as well.

I think my budget of 100$ per day for slots is very acceptable, most people don't even gamble. I am hoping to win every 2nd pull so if have to spend 100$ on 250$ worth of play through a day to earn 100 points ... even if I do this everyday all cruise that' only 700 points. I' have to play through 400$ a day on slots to qualify even for 30%?? You seriously don't see anything wrong with that ? No one is going to gamble through 400$ a day all day everyday unless they are a millionaire and those are a few per ship.

Like I said I am 34 and I am a perfect candidate for a free cruise the people who blow 500 on slots don' need a free cruise but I do. That is why msc needs to re consider the point allocation.

To get a free cruise apparently you need 9999 points which is about 25000$ play through. No one I repeat no one would reach this and if they say they do they are lying. Basic math the most expensive slot machine is 5$ per pull, in order to play through $25000 you will have to execute 700 pulls of 5$ per day on a standard 7 night cruise. That is insane amount considering most the vast majority of machines are 0.30 per pull and are penny slots up to 1$ per pull..

Who the hell plays 5$ per pull? It's infuriating that some old geezer on their 60th cruise is getting a free cruise for blowing money in the casino when young up and coming professionals like me at 34 years of age can benefit from a free cruise way more. Think about that.

I managed to get 1200 points to qualify for the 30% discount voucher on Meraviglia last year and was also €100 up at the time. So it actually cost me nothing!

 

ETA ... For cruises of more than 7 nights, you have to earn 2000 points to qualify for the 30% discount voucher.

Again I am missing something here.. I am 34 years old, it took me all year to save up $2000 p/p to go on the YC cabin trip in August on Seaside. You cant be serious you expect me to play through $3000 ($2.50 per point x 1200 points) are you kidding me? That is what my entire vacation is worth, no one would expect you to play $3000 just for 30% off I am sorry there is a mistake here.

I just mentioned that I have a budget of $100 per day on slots which to me is huge, and for anyone is huge in todays economy. So cruise ships understand this so based on that the tier should be somewhere around 500 points based on 2.50/1 or if it is 1/1 it should be 1000 points - max $1000 playthrough for 30% if it is $3000 not a single person in the casino is going to reach that because the cruise them selves cost so much just to get on board.

1200 points for 30% off, 9,999 points for free cruise @ $2.50/point ( or so we were told)

Enjoy and win

Safe sailing

 

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No way it' 2.50$/point I just mentioned my limit is 100$ a day for slots you got to be kidding me to exploit 1 point for 2.50 it should be 1/1. If everyone is getting these cruises how am i seriously suppose to qualify with 2.50/1 ratio?

Just for 30% I have to play through 2500$ are you kidding no one can afford that let alone some people claim to play 10000 points that' 25000$ play through insane - I just said 100$ is what I budgeted for slots but j want the 30% and free cruise too I figured 100$ is a lot already not many people spend that much as it is on slots so what am I missing here .

As a YC member you always have the option to request specific dishes from any of the speciality restaurants which makes the YC restaurant so appealing. This perk alone if abused daily pays for the cabin value outright.

What' the spending limits to get 30%? To get free cruise? Are there tiers you have to hit? I am 34 and plan to play slots with 100$ a day on a 1$ machine to try to get a free cruise it seems easy to get it if everyone is doing it.

If you arent high jacking elevators with your YC priveleges then you arent truly maximizing the value od YC. I plan to fully exercise my right for priority elevators when i sail on Seaside in late August.