njhorseman Posted November 13, 2009 #101 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Sure, sure it is ONLY 5 stinking dollars. Everybody who cruises can afford the 5 stinking dollars. However, it is a 25% increase. I am sorry but the "quality of the food" has not risen 25%. Nor has the service. You may be willing to pay that unwarranted increase, but I am guessing a lot of folks are not. But just as sure as I am of that, I am sure that there will be enough people like yourself who will not be bothered by it and continue to cruise on NCL. And that's OK. And you have access to NCL's financial and marketing data that allows you to conclude it's unwarranted? You know what their costs are, you know what the demand is, you know how that stacks up against similar restaurants on other cruise lines? I seriously doubt anyone selects a cruise based on a $5 price difference for a single specialty restaurant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjbdtz Posted November 13, 2009 #102 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Sure, sure it is ONLY 5 stinking dollars. Everybody who cruises can afford the 5 stinking dollars. However, it is a 25% increase. I am sorry but the "quality of the food" has not risen 25%. Nor has the service. You may be willing to pay that unwarranted increase, but I am guessing a lot of folks are not. But just as sure as I am of that, I am sure that there will be enough people like yourself who will not be bothered by it and continue to cruise on NCL. And that's OK. Sorry, but you have not cruised on NCL since '07. Since then they've implemented Freestyle 2.0, INCLUDING an average 20% increase in spending on FOOD! So how you can be so certain, baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyhi120 Posted November 13, 2009 #103 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Decided to buy a Romance Package for our honeymoon cruise next month. Read so much about the Romance Package on this message board and also looked it up on NCL's web site last Friday! The $79 package looked wonderful and to be of great value too.Well, called today to book it, and was told the price was changed YESTERDAY to $135. NCL almost doubled it! I booked the cruise a month ago, both the agent and NCL are aware that it was our honeymoon, besides I wanted to place the order last Friday but just didn't get around to it. Explained all of this to NCL and all they would say is "sorry there is nothing we can do." So we decided not to get it since we'd feel bad about it knowing we got ripped off just by calling a day too late. Very unfortunate that NCL could not be more accomodating with a SUDDEN and DRASTIC price change. Yes, I was very dissappointed in that too...we were going to order it on our NCL Sun cruise 12/06...the cruise is reasonable but they get their money on the extras...the Holland America cruises offer so much more for the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted November 13, 2009 #104 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Holy Smokes! The $35 romance package went up in price??? When did this happen?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocJohnB Posted November 14, 2009 #105 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Sorry, but you have not cruised on NCL since '07. Since then they've implemented Freestyle 2.0, INCLUDING an average 20% increase in spending on FOOD! So how you can be so certain, baffles me. Yessir. Been a whole two years. Freestyle 2.0 is only an upgraded cost to the original Freestyle which wasn't that big a difference from the original cruise before Freestyle. And you may buy into the 20% increase BS, I do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocJohnB Posted November 14, 2009 #106 Share Posted November 14, 2009 And you have access to NCL's financial and marketing data that allows you to conclude it's unwarranted? You know what their costs are, you know what the demand is, you know how that stacks up against similar restaurants on other cruise lines? I seriously doubt anyone selects a cruise based on a $5 price difference for a single specialty restaurant. No sir, just know that a 25% increase in NCL's product is not warranted, period. I don't need access to their financial papers to make that determination. I just know that they have not increased the value of their product by 25% since 1994 (the year I first sailed with them) through 2007 (the year I last sailed with them). In fact the value has not increased at all, perhaps has even declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted November 14, 2009 #107 Share Posted November 14, 2009 No sir, just know that a 25% increase in NCL's product is not warranted, period. I don't need access to their financial papers to make that determination. I just know that they have not increased the value of their product by 25% since 1994 (the year I first sailed with them) through 2007 (the year I last sailed with them). In fact the value has not increased at all, perhaps has even declined. Of course, since 1994 I'm sure NOTHING has changed ;) I know that I still expect 1994 prices today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocJohnB Posted November 14, 2009 #108 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Of course, since 1994 I'm sure NOTHING has changed ;) Level it up MBisson. Of course things have changed since 1994 (my previous statement was a bit facetious, but only a bit). The point is that freestyle and freestyle 2.0 are not significantly different and certainly are not worthy of a 25% increase. NCL while not guilty of ripping its' consumers off, certainly are crossing the line of tearing into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sottovoce Posted November 14, 2009 #109 Share Posted November 14, 2009 NCL while not guilty of ripping its' consumers off, certainly are crossing the line of tearing into them. Does that mean we won't be seeing you on NCL anymore?:p:):D;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted November 14, 2009 #110 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Level it up MBisson. Of course things have changed since 1994 (my previous statement was a bit facetious, but only a bit). The point is that freestyle and freestyle 2.0 are not significantly different and certainly are not worthy of a 25% increase. NCL while not guilty of ripping its' consumers off, certainly are crossing the line of tearing into them. What in heaven's name does a price increase in one specialty restaurant have to do with the differences between Freestyle and Freestyle 2.0? You're talking as if NCL has increased the price of cruises 25%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted November 14, 2009 #111 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Level it up MBisson. Of course things have changed since 1994 (my previous statement was a bit facetious, but only a bit). The point is that freestyle and freestyle 2.0 are not significantly different and certainly are not worthy of a 25% increase. NCL while not guilty of ripping its' consumers off, certainly are crossing the line of tearing into them. Only a bit??? 15 year exaggeration 'only a bit'??? I wish I had kept track of the prices of the spec dining rooms over the last few years. They haven't often changed, but yes, if you want to say that's a 25% increase over the last few months-it sounds like a big jump. If you want to look at it over time---well, sadly prices do go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted November 14, 2009 #112 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Only a bit??? 15 year exaggeration 'only a bit'???I wish I had kept track of the prices of the spec dining rooms over the last few years. They haven't often changed, but yes, if you want to say that's a 25% increase over the last few months-it sounds like a big jump. If you want to look at it over time---well, sadly prices do go up. For example, in mid 1994, the price of crude oil was around $19 a barrel, about 25% of what it is today. The wholesale price of chicken was about $0.38 per pound versus about $0.80 per pound this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjbdtz Posted November 14, 2009 #113 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Yessir. Been a whole two years. Freestyle 2.0 is only an upgraded cost to the original Freestyle which wasn't that big a difference from the original cruise before Freestyle. And you may buy into the 20% increase BS, I do not. I have experienced the increase. YOU, have not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted November 14, 2009 #114 Share Posted November 14, 2009 For example, in mid 1994, the price of crude oil was around $19 a barrel, about 25% of what it is today. The wholesale price of chicken was about $0.38 per pound versus about $0.80 per pound this year. Thanks nj (off topic but I remember a time with my parents, when they refused to ever buy watermelon if it was more than 5 cents a lb LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocJohnB Posted November 14, 2009 #115 Share Posted November 14, 2009 For example, in mid 1994, the price of crude oil was around $19 a barrel, about 25% of what it is today. The wholesale price of chicken was about $0.38 per pound versus about $0.80 per pound this year. We can all play all the games we want. In 1994 we didn't pay extra to eat on board NCL ships. Period. It was included in the package. I know, I know, the price of the cruise, etc. etc. yada, yada, yada. But, we are talking the price of specialty dining, which hasn't been around all that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocJohnB Posted November 14, 2009 #116 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I have experienced the increase. YOU, have not. You are absolutely right. sottovoce: Does that mean we won't be seeing you on NCL anymore? As are you. It is called voting with my feet. Works for me . . . . . and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD06 Posted November 14, 2009 #117 Share Posted November 14, 2009 We can all play all the games we want. In 1994 we didn't pay extra to eat on board NCL ships. Period. It was included in the package. I know, I know, the price of the cruise, etc. etc. yada, yada, yada. But, we are talking the price of specialty dining, which hasn't been around all that long. And in 2009, you may choose to pay extra to eat in a specialty restaurant, but you certainly don't have to pay extra to eat on NCL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocJohnB Posted November 14, 2009 #118 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Only a bit??? 15 year exaggeration 'only a bit'???I wish I had kept track of the prices of the spec dining rooms over the last few years. They haven't often changed, but yes, if you want to say that's a 25% increase over the last few months-it sounds like a big jump. If you want to look at it over time---well, sadly prices do go up. Not certain when specialty dining became forte', but cetainly within the last 10 years. What you used to get with the price of admission you started to pay extra for. Now, you pay 25% more for that same food than you did a year ago. Look, I could give a rat's behind if you desire to do so, that is your prerogative. I just choose not to do so, but will still call a spade a spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted November 14, 2009 #119 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Not certain when specialty dining became forte', but cetainly within the last 10 years. What you used to get with the price of admission you started to pay extra for. Now, you pay 25% more for that same food than you did a year ago. Look, I could give a rat's behind if you desire to do so, that is your prerogative. I just choose not to do so, but will still call a spade a spade. OK I guess you would be happier with smaller annual increases or sailing a different line then. That's your prerogative-I know which of those 2 options I prefer you take ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocJohnB Posted November 14, 2009 #120 Share Posted November 14, 2009 That's your prerogative-I know which of those 2 options I prefer you take ;) Believe me, with mutual glee, I am more than happy to accommodate your preference. :D;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Wink* Posted November 14, 2009 #121 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Wow.. Just checking in, and the level of testosterone in this thread could choke.. uh.. well.. it could certainly choke something! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbisson Posted November 14, 2009 #122 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Wow.. Just checking in, and the level of testosterone in this thread could choke.. uh.. well.. it could certainly choke something! :D I told ya I gotta find somebody ROTFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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