justcake Posted September 30, 2010 #201 Share Posted September 30, 2010 The sinks may be small but has anyone ever seen a large sink in a standard cabin on any cruise ship? The showers are usually like a capsule and the sink tiny. It is funny how no one mentions the Epic showers are larger than most standard cabins on most ships.Just something to think about. That point gets lost in the sink and shower door debate. Agreed. The sinks aren't small it's just that a lot of people aren't used to vessel sinks. That's what I have at home and know how to use them. Just don't turn the tap on too high and it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusitanica Posted September 30, 2010 Author #202 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Agreed. The sinks aren't small it's just that a lot of people aren't used to vessel sinks. That's what I have at home and know how to use them. Just don't turn the tap on too high and it's all good. Water splashes out of the sink when you turn the faucet on. It's ridiculous but it's not the major issue - turn the faucet on gently. You can wash your hands there. But if you try to wash your face, water splashes everywhere around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjbdtz Posted September 30, 2010 #203 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Water splashes out of the sink when you turn the faucet on.It's ridiculous but it's not the major issue - turn the faucet on gently. You can wash your hands there. But if you try to wash your face, water splashes everywhere around. Maybe if you took the remote control out, it wouldn't splash so much. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser willy Posted September 30, 2010 #204 Share Posted September 30, 2010 The remote control buttons are probably deflecting water all over the place! But seriously, I think that most of us with vessel sinks at home know that our sinks are WAY deeper and wider than these dog bowls! I so wish that Lusitanica had the opportunity to do as intensive a study on the high end accomodations. I'd like to know how many "normal" sized accomodations there are on the Epic. These standard balconies are WAY SUBSTANDARD!!! I can't believe anyone is arguing that point. The shower may as well be out in the hall!!! I can't believe folks are accepting this gimmick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseyboy1 Posted September 30, 2010 #205 Share Posted September 30, 2010 The remote control buttons are probably deflecting water all over the place!But seriously, I think that most of us with vessel sinks at home know that our sinks are WAY deeper and wider than these dog bowls! I so wish that Lusitanica had the opportunity to do as intensive a study on the high end accomodations. I'd like to know how many "normal" sized accomodations there are on the Epic. These standard balconies are WAY SUBSTANDARD!!! I can't believe anyone is arguing that point. The shower may as well be out in the hall!!! I can't believe folks are accepting this gimmick! Careful cruiser willy.....you're just a few posts away from being on the dark side....:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdmike Posted September 30, 2010 #206 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Willy - How did you feel about the showers when you sailed on the Epic? Oh...wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrepid_guy Posted September 30, 2010 #207 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Well, I hate to do it, but I have to be a big boy and admit when I make a mistake. It turns out that when I checked my notes on the room dimensions I did make a mistake. The bed was not 29 inches from the cabinets, it was actually 22. The 29 inch measurement was the narrowest measurement from the couch to the refrigerator. I apologize for my mis-information. ~Intrepid <-- mmm! crow tastes good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrepid_guy Posted September 30, 2010 #208 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Here is a comparison of the sink (outside the bathroom) in our hotel in Miami and the sink on the EPIC. I swear to you the one at the hotel was messier, plus the glass countertop just made it look worse. Both had to be mopped up at times. Obviously, you can see that I turned the tap on full on EPIC due to concerns that the water would shoot all over. The water goes nowhere when turned on full, very little water gets outside the sink when the pressure is turned down. ~Intrepid <-- washy, washy, happy, happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusitanica Posted September 30, 2010 Author #209 Share Posted September 30, 2010 The remote control buttons are probably deflecting water all over the place! These standard balconies are WAY SUBSTANDARD!!! I can't believe anyone is arguing that point. The shower may as well be out in the hall!!! I can't believe folks are accepting this gimmick! Yes, they are substandard (technically studios). I have looked up prices online. A standard balcony on Epic is roughly same price as Princess Grand-class mini-suites. "Delux" cabins are somewhat more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdmike Posted September 30, 2010 #210 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Yes, they are substandard (technically studios). All single room cabins are technically studios, just like studio apartments. They are not substandard. They are built to the design standards set by NCL. Again, mixing opinion (which you are entitled to) with facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdmike Posted September 30, 2010 #211 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Intrepid - That sink at the hotel makes me want to fill it up with cornflakes and milk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrepid_guy Posted September 30, 2010 #212 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Intrepid - That sink at the hotel makes me want to fill it up with cornflakes and milk! Yum! I never thought of that! ~Intrepid <-- breakfast anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigCrusier Posted September 30, 2010 #213 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Intrepid - That sink at the hotel makes me want to fill it up with cornflakes and milk! Ok... I have to ask. What food goes in the EPIC sink? Buffet delight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrepid_guy Posted September 30, 2010 #214 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Ok... I have to ask. What food goes in the EPIC sink? Buffet delight? Perhaps a creme brule? ~Intrepid <-- Mmmm... caramelized sugar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdmike Posted September 30, 2010 #215 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Ok... I have to ask. What food goes in the EPIC sink? Buffet delight? Nothing...it would just spill out. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusitanica Posted September 30, 2010 Author #216 Share Posted September 30, 2010 All single room cabins are technically studios, just like studio apartments. They are not substandard. They are built to the design standards set by NCL. We are talking about balcony cabins (balcony studios), not about interior "single" cabins. BTW "single" cabins were originally intended for 2 passengers. "Standards set by NCL" is a joke - the plan was changed on the go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdmike Posted September 30, 2010 #217 Share Posted September 30, 2010 We are talking about balcony cabins (balcony studios), not about interior "single" cabins. I know exactly what we're talking about. The balcony cabins are not substandard. They were built to NCL's standards. They're also "technically" studios because they are a single room, as are most cabins on the ship. Your statement that they are technically studios is correct, and that's not a bad thing. They were designed that way. I'm also aware the singles were originally designed as doubles. This fact has nothing to do with the statements above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusitanica Posted September 30, 2010 Author #218 Share Posted September 30, 2010 "NCL standards" of that kind were never established and do not exist in nature. There are marketing decisions related to a particular ship called Epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lusitanica Posted September 30, 2010 Author #219 Share Posted September 30, 2010 I apologize for my mis-information. How to check your drawing. A = B + (C - A) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdmike Posted September 30, 2010 #220 Share Posted September 30, 2010 "NCL standards" of that kind were never established and do not exist in nature.There are marketing decisions related to a particular ship called Epic. Incorrect again. There were clear blue prints produced for this ship. Those were the standards it was built to. Marketing has nothing to do with it. Saying a "room is substandard" is different than "didn't like the room". I'm calling out your continued confusion between fact and opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down-Unders Posted September 30, 2010 #221 Share Posted September 30, 2010 OP thank you for your review, I certainly will be giving this montrosity a BIG miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjbdtz Posted September 30, 2010 #222 Share Posted September 30, 2010 This whole discussion sounds like "one of these things is not like the others" that doesn't make it substandard. Using L's argument, one might call a motorbike substandard because it doesn't have 4 wheels & 4 doors.... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adkmom Posted September 30, 2010 #223 Share Posted September 30, 2010 As I have previously stated I think NCL has misrepresented their basic balcony cabins. Because there are no oceanview cabins as on the Jewel class those who the basic balcony should be marketed to those of us who usually put a family of 4 in an ocean view. I looked up the numbers. We sailed on the Dawn a few years ago in an ocean view with 4 people. Crowded but affordable . Dawn ov 156 sq feet Dawn basic balcony (only sleeps 3, not available to family of 4) 203 sq. Feet Epic Family balcony ( same price point as previous ocean view) 216 sq feet Pearl ov 161, balcony 205 You all may not like the way the cabin is laid out but is is not smaller than other NCL cabins of its type . For a family of 4 unable to get a balcony at an affordable rate on other NCL ships we are gaining 50 square feet. Our kids are not sleeping over our heads and we have a balcony. If you want a suite pay for one , if you want inexpensive you get a cabin live with it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrepid_guy Posted September 30, 2010 #224 Share Posted September 30, 2010 How to check your drawing. A = B + (C - A) Not sure what you are getting at here. I advised that I misread my list of measurements, not the cabin layout. I have already apologized for having the info backwards. What are you trying to tell me now? Is there some other problem you have with my drawing? ~Intrepid <-- double-checked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerDave Posted September 30, 2010 #225 Share Posted September 30, 2010 "NCL standards" of that kind were never established and do not exist in nature.There are marketing decisions related to a particular ship called Epic. So if they are sub-standard, what is standard? You talking square feet or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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