Self Defense on a Ship

[spg112357]

So what have we come down to, defend your family or risk being put off a ship!!!

 

If it is just me I will try to walk away.

However if someone physically attacks one of my family then in my opinion it is no holds barred. Hopefully the camera systems will see what happened and justice will be done.

[Sargent_Schultz]

Another thread where some ineffectual drunk 18yr old swung (and missed) at a minor got me thinking.

 

If some drunk gets rowdy, and violent and needs to be dealt with immediately. What happens to the defender? Say a drunk starts shoving you, makes like he is going to harm you or a loved one, and you lay him out to prevent further problems.

 

Do you get booted off the ship as well?

 

Are the two of you equally drunk? I would vote both of you off the island. Call security or have the bartender call security.

[jessemon]

I've never seen a brawl on board a ship, although I'm sure they happen sometimes. I've seen plenty of happy and grouchy drunks on ships, though.

I have seen several.

One believe it or not during the multiple groups party that is held for the groups sailing on the ship. Carnival throws a party and all the groups get together for a free hour of drinks.

Seems some from one group took exception with another group and it was on. About 12 of them decided to have at it. One security guard showed up and in a few short minutes many more did. Fight was over quick and all involved were escorted away...

By the way I was on a very happy and friendly Cruise Critic group cruise when this happened and we got to watch...

 

I like what the law enforcement officer said here...You have the right to protect yourself and family. When all is said and done I am sure there is no "man" here that is going to let someone punch him or let someone do something to their family without a firm response....;)

[Chris41]

LOL I don't believe they have Ghurkas on board for security but that would be awesome.

 

The Taliban usually totally left areas where they knew Ghurkas were operating in. Bad (good for us and the UK) dudes for sure.

 

 

Well believe what you want but as I stated before I served in Iraq with a few of them and will be visiting very shortly with one of them on my next Carnival cruise. So apparently they do hire them

 

Just saying

[Rottweiler Puppy]

Are the two of you equally drunk? I would vote both of you off the island. Call security or have the bartender call security.

 

 

I didn't mention the victim being drunk in the scenario so your answer didn't seem to be related to the question.

 

 

I agree with you about tossing both trouble makers off if that was the case.

[Rottweiler Puppy]

Well believe what you want but as I stated before I served in Iraq with a few of them and will be visiting very shortly with one of them on my next Carnival cruise. So apparently they do hire them

 

Just saying

 

Thats cool. Anything is possible, I would certainly hire them.

[DocF]

I must say that those who have poor opinions of Carnival security should realize that most officers come from either the Indian army. These officers are well trained and can easily kill a perp if they desire using nothing but their bare hands. Do not mess with security.

 

As to the original question, I am a believer in deciding guilt in the easiest possible manner and in a way which maintains order on the ship. If party A starts to assault party B, who then beats the crap out of Party A, both of them deserve to be pitched overboard. Since Carnival is a civilized company, both parties should be deposited at the next possible port. The rest of the guests do not need these idiots on board.

 

I am the son of a long-time cop and am a security consultant for a large transportation company.

 

Doc

[Perfect Stranger]

How do you know they're from the Indian Army? :confused:

[Rottweiler Puppy]

 

As to the original question, I am a believer in deciding guilt in the easiest possible manner and in a way which maintains order on the ship. If party A starts to assault party B, who then beats the crap out of Party A, both of them deserve to be pitched overboard. Since Carnival is a civilized company, both parties should be deposited at the next possible port. The rest of the guests do not need these idiots on board.

 

Does not answer the original question but thanks for reading more into it than I put. No where did I mention Person B beating the crap out of someone.

 

If Person A assaults person B or Bs family and B swiftly takes Person A out of action. How is that beating the crap out of them? One good hit can stop someone cold if done properly, if not a hit, a proper lock and subdue. If you think doing such is beating the crap out of someone, I don't know what to say.

 

Trying to comprehend how you figure a person effectively stopping an assault is an idiot if leaving the situation was not possible. I am the type to leave if possible. Also "laying someone out" does not equate to a savage beating as some folks think it implies. Maybe I should have used term "pacify" the assaulter?

[torpeedo]

There are specific employment agencies who specialize in providing security manpower for busineses worldwide. These agencies vet potential employees for "appropriate qualifications", and provide the necessary staff. All cruiselines contract with these types of agency to provide them with ship security personnel. Don't confuse these people with your dining room waiter or room attendant. Whether Indian, Korean, Russian or any oher nationality, most have served with special forces They have specific skills that qualifiy them for their job.

[capndinghy]

I have feeling those Security Guys from say Pakistan and places like that are the Real Mc Coy!

[Rottweiler Puppy]

How do you know they're from the Indian Army? :confused:

 

They smell like Curry

[Akgoalie7]

These officers are well trained and can easily kill a perp if they desire using nothing but their bare hands.

 

technically, all humans are capable of killing with their bare hands

 

just sayin' :D

[InverStone]

Does not answer the original question but thanks for reading more into it than I put. No where did I mention Person B beating the crap out of someone.

 

If Person A assaults person B or Bs family and B swiftly takes Person A out of action. How is that beating the crap out of them? One good hit can stop someone cold if done properly, if not a hit, a proper lock and subdue. If you think doing such is beating the crap out of someone, I don't know what to say.

 

Trying to comprehend how you figure a person effectively stopping an assault is an idiot if leaving the situation was not possible. I am the type to leave if possible. Also "laying someone out" does not equate to a savage beating as some folks think it implies. Maybe I should have used term "pacify" the assaulter?

 

 

Hi Rottweiler,

 

Hmmm...it would be really interesting if someone from Carnival or another cruise line who knew cruise ship policy actually posted and answered your question (which is a simple one: if you were faced with a situation on a ship in which you had no choice but to defend yourself - and were able to incapacitate the "offender" - would you also be put off he ship?).

 

I would hope that a reasonable security staff would screen witnesses and look at the situation in its totality, and NOT throw you off.

 

There are always tough guys on the internet talking about arm bars and subduing an opponent with minimal force and such...but in my experience unless you are a highly trained person it isn't that easy. These situations often develop very quickly and there is very little time to think. I haven't been in a fight in a looooooong time, but I was always taught by my Dad (being a very small kid until late high school) that if something ever did happen to always have the mindset of doing what it takes to protect yourself (and others) and to get away as fast as you can. Our neighbourhood was a bit rough, and he always said "..never start anything, and be nice and laugh and try to defuse and walk away - BUT - if you are attacked, be determined from the start to be the one who walks away regardless". Luckily like most kids I just had to deal with the "push the nerd into that locker" high school bullies.

 

I'm much bigger now (and older) and would be loathe to hurt someone in a physical confrontation (as a health professional I help others, not hurt them)....but in my opinion if someone attacked you, you would have no choice but to retaliate aggressively...and (like most drunken fights I have witnessed in the University setting where I work) someone usually does get hurt. Often badly. As you said - one punch can be devastating. One of my weight trained football players (working as a bouncer) one-punched a violent drunken patron, breaking his jaw and 8 teeth. He was defending himself but was still arrested.

 

To make a long story shorter...I think if a violent interaction took place, unless you were lucky, both parties would probably be booted. Unfortunately.

 

Just trying to answer your question, but can't really, as I have no idea on the policy (a case by case basis?). I would be interested to see, as I said, what a knowledgeable cruise employee would have to say on the topic.

 

I hope to never have to punch anyone on vacation hahahaha.

 

Interesting thread. Cheers.

 

Inver