evelyn51 Posted October 7, 2013 #301 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Orville was just arguing that it is counter-productive for the manufacturers to make them look so much like a real cigarette. He was making the same point as you, namely that it is "NOT a duck." But the more it looks and quacks like a duck, the more misunderstanding there will be. I read this and thought. Hmm. . . What could they possibly design that would look "fine"? Short of a toothpick I can't think of anything. Well maybe a sucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul65 Posted October 7, 2013 Author #302 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I read this and thought. Hmm. . . What could they possibly design that would look "fine"? Short of a toothpick I can't think of anything. Well maybe a sucker! I don't think they necessarily need to mimic the appearance of anything else. But some manufacturers do try to mimic the look of a cigarette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare orville99 Posted October 7, 2013 #303 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't think they necessarily need to mimic the appearance of anything else. But some manufacturers do try to mimic the look of a cigarette. Mine actually look more like a mini Maglite than anything. I've seen ones shaped like screwdrivers, Mont Blanc pens, Pez dispensers, even asthma inhalers. Shape is irrelevant to function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medic123 Posted October 10, 2013 #304 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Mine looks like a box. The last thing I want is one that looks like a cigarette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medic123 Posted October 10, 2013 #305 Share Posted October 10, 2013 After all of this suddenly I am getting bombarded with e-mails and phone calls from a new Royal vacation planner to tell me about different sailing. I firmly but calmly explained to her not to call me or e-mail me again until the e-cig policy was changed. She acted shocked and said she knew nothing about the smoking/e-cig policy update. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folk Singer Posted October 11, 2013 #306 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I read this and thought. Hmm. . . What could they possibly design that would look "fine"? Short of a toothpick I can't think of anything. Well maybe a sucker! we could always take snuff. and with the patch. would be fine-------. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyher Posted October 11, 2013 #307 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Mine looks like a box. The last thing I want is one that looks like a cigarette. Different strokes for different folks. I picked the brand I got because it looks exactly like a cigarette. I didn't want to walk around with a box, mag lite, fountain pen or whatever. Its been a month and so far so good :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare orville99 Posted October 11, 2013 #308 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Different strokes for different folks. I picked the brand I got because it looks exactly like a cigarette. I didn't want to walk around with a box, mag lite, fountain pen or whatever. Its been a month and so far so good :) The difference is when I walk around carrying my flashlight, no one pays any attention. When you walk around carrying your cigarette, everyone reacts. I started with the cigarette style three years ago, and while they worked fine, I quickly got tired of having to defend myself and explain what it was.:) To paraphrase an old commercial, it was easier to switch than fight.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medic123 Posted October 11, 2013 #309 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I started with a cigarette style also. Three years later I have all sizes, shapes, and colors. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSUDAVE Posted October 13, 2013 #310 Share Posted October 13, 2013 This is a contentious topic but the one indisputable fact is that from Jan 1 2014 you will not be able to use any smoking device in area that have been banned unless you are willing to risk being taken of the ship at the next port ,There is Likely to be fines incurred as well so if you wish to go right ahead but don't say you weren't warned . Wrong Karl.. I will continue to use my e-sig in my room, on my balcony, and other places as appropriate. I will not go sit with other people smoking cigarettes when that's the habit I am trying to break. Kinda like a "druggie" gets out of rehab and returns to run with his same group of "druggie" friends. Guess what happens a high percentage of the time? My vapors are odorless, and anyone on a balcony wont know what I am "vaping" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCMtnBoys Posted October 13, 2013 #311 Share Posted October 13, 2013 They do sometime! http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/25/3-year-old-burned-by-exploding-e-cigarette/ The whole potential fire hazard concerns me. I have a cousin who posted pics of a friend's vehicle that had sustained fire damage because she had left her e-cig charging in the vehicle and it caught fire. I cringe at the thought that the same thing could happen on a cruise ship, especially where someone has left it unaccompanied in their room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiessa Posted October 13, 2013 #312 Share Posted October 13, 2013 The whole potential fire hazard concerns me. I have a cousin who posted pics of a friend's vehicle that had sustained fire damage because she had left her e-cig charging in the vehicle and it caught fire. I cringe at the thought that the same thing could happen on a cruise ship, especially where someone has left it unaccompanied in their room! He probably was using the wrong charger. Every story I've seen on e-cigarette fires have been someone charging them in a car with the wrong charger. I don't see them banning e-cigarettes all together. Did you know hairdryers, curling irons, straighteners, and any appliance that heats can cause a fire if plugged in even if turned off? A friend's house caught on fire because her daughter left her hair dryer plugged in. If we're going to worry about fires we have a lot of items to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted October 14, 2013 #313 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The whole potential fire hazard concerns me. I have a cousin who posted pics of a friend's vehicle that had sustained fire damage because she had left her e-cig charging in the vehicle and it caught fire. I cringe at the thought that the same thing could happen on a cruise ship, especially where someone has left it unaccompanied in their room! This is the exact same battery in a smartphone, or tablet. It can happen just as easily with one of those devices, and it has many times Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul65 Posted October 14, 2013 Author #314 Share Posted October 14, 2013 This is the exact same battery in a smartphone, or tablet. It can happen just as easily with one of those devices, and it has many times Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Well...That's sort of true, at best. Cell phone batteries used by the major phone manufacturers (Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc) go through quite a bit of safety testing before they are rolled out in phones. That doesn't make them fool-proof, but serious battery issues are not very common, especially considering that almost everyone has a cell phone these days. I suppose it's possible that every cigarette manufacturer does the same level of safety testing as an Apple or Samsung, but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted October 14, 2013 #315 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Well...That's sort of true, at best. Cell phone batteries used by the major phone manufacturers (Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc) go through quite a bit of safety testing before they are rolled out in phones. That doesn't make them fool-proof, but serious battery issues are not very common, especially considering that almost everyone has a cell phone these days. I suppose it's possible that every cigarette manufacturer does the same level of safety testing as an Apple or Samsung, but I doubt it. Lipo battery fires are pretty common actually. I have seen several firsthand. If you would like some images, please take a look. https://www.google.com/search?q=phone+battery+fire&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=O01bUt6jPNes4APZ0ICYCw Most of the batteries in the vaporizers are made by Panasonic btw. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul65 Posted October 14, 2013 Author #316 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Well, I guess if you can find a few pictures with a Google search, it must be very common. I still don't believe you, though, unless you maybe have some statistics on how common it is. Pretty much everyone I know owns a cell phone, and I have never heard of any of them having problems with a battery, other than it not keeping as good a charge any more, after years of use. I'm not denying that these fires happen. But statistically, are they really common? Maybe. But your Google search for pictures only came up with a handful that actually looked like they could have been an actually battery fire. What is your source, btw, of the information that "most of the batteries in the vaporizers are made by Panasonic"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted October 14, 2013 #317 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Well, I guess if you can find a few pictures with a Google search, it must be very common. I still don't believe you, though, unless you maybe have some statistics on how common it is. Pretty much everyone I know owns a cell phone, and I have never heard of any of them having problems with a battery, other than it not keeping as good a charge any more, after years of use. I'm not denying that these fires happen. But statistically, are they really common? Maybe. But your Google search for pictures only came up with a handful that actually looked like they could have been an actually battery fire. What is your source, btw, of the information that "most of the batteries in the vaporizers are made by Panasonic"? The fires are enough of a concern that strict regulations have been made for them being placed on planes http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Pages/lithium-battery-change.aspx UPS regulations http://www.ups.com/media/news/en/intl_lithium_battery_regulations.pdf Dreamliner battery fire http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i6/Assessing-Safety-Lithium-Ion-Batteries.html Article regarding the NTSB stance http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/02/03/ntsb-too-risky-for-lithium-batteries-to-fly-as-cargo-on-commercial-planes/ This article is a fun read. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-21/battery-fire-crashes-seen-every-other-year.html As for the manufacturer of the batteries, I have opened 15 or more for modding purposes and have never seen anything but Panasonic batteries. Even the cheap knock offs had them. YMMV. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul65 Posted October 14, 2013 Author #318 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The fires are enough of a concern that strict regulations have been made for them being placed on planes Interesting. I always have my cell phone with me, when I fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted October 14, 2013 #319 Share Posted October 14, 2013 As do most people. That does not mean it is safe. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cariad1000 Posted October 14, 2013 #320 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The whole potential fire hazard concerns me. I have a cousin who posted pics of a friend's vehicle that had sustained fire damage because she had left her e-cig charging in the vehicle and it caught fire. I cringe at the thought that the same thing could happen on a cruise ship, especially where someone has left it unaccompanied in their room! I just take enough batteries to last for the length of the cruise. I've never had to charge my ecig on board. Problem solved:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul65 Posted October 14, 2013 Author #321 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Here is a quote from an article that you can find on google. Since 2011, the Consumer Product Safety Commission has documented over 60 incidents of phone batteries smoking, catching fire, expanding or exploding, including one occurrence of a battery exploding in a Texas man's ear, And these are just the ones documented. I have seen a few laptops that have caught on fire after they had a battery problem and charging. It happens. That was sort of my point. Sixty incidents is pretty small, considering there are something like 300 million cell phones in use in the US. And that number includes batteries that just exhibited some smoking or swelling. I'm not saying it's not an issue, but some people are making broad statements that: 1. It happens all the time. 2. e-cigarettes are no different than cell phones in fire risk. The first is an exaggeration; the second is just an assumption. It might be true that e-cigs are no more prone to these kind of battery issues than cell phones (though if it really happens as often as some people want to claim with cell phones, then it's a pretty big concern). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul65 Posted October 14, 2013 Author #322 Share Posted October 14, 2013 As do most people. That does not mean it is safe. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD That doesn't mean it's unsafe, either. But if you want to be frightened of cell phones and e-cigarettes, I will stop trying to dissuade you. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leerobbs Posted October 14, 2013 #323 Share Posted October 14, 2013 For me its all about the global warming. Every curtailment of pollution is a plus. Maybe if proof of carbon off sets by the e smoker is provided I might feel different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medic123 Posted October 15, 2013 #324 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I have never had a E-cig battery explode. I have also never had a cell phone or laptop battery explode, but I did have a cell phone battery swell almost to exploding once while charging. I always use the correct battery for the devise and the correct charger for all my batteries. ALL documented cases of e-cig batteries exploding are due to incorrect battery use or incorrect charger use. Most people don't take the time to find that 2 e-cig batteries purchased from 2 different manufactures need the charger that came with it and may not be interchangeable (even if they look alike) or that the nifty big e-cig you bought at a flea market can't be used with Walmart batteries. In this age of electronics we need more education about batteries for all devises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul65 Posted October 15, 2013 Author #325 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I have never had a E-cig battery explode. I have also never had a cell phone or laptop battery explode, but I did have a cell phone battery swell almost to exploding once while charging. I always use the correct battery for the devise and the correct charger for all my batteries. ALL documented cases of e-cig batteries exploding are due to incorrect battery use or incorrect charger use. Most people don't take the time to find that 2 e-cig batteries purchased from 2 different manufactures need the charger that came with it and may not be interchangeable (even if they look alike) or that the nifty big e-cig you bought at a flea market can't be used with Walmart batteries. In this age of electronics we need more education about batteries for all devises. That seems like an unlikely statement (both in it's truth and in the fact that I doubt you have research every documented case of an e-cig battery exploding). But you're right that people should be careful about using the correct charger. In some cases it's not that obvious, though. For instance, many rechargeable electronics these days use a USB cord, and the sole purpose in having that USB connection for charging is the versatility to plug it into a computer or other USB connection. So, if it is only meant to be plugged into the accompanying electrical plug, that's a poor design to use a standard, universal cord like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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