Oreily Is About To Have A Story On The Missing Cruiser

[skyking]

As Well As Cruise Ship Safety. It Is Commercial Now, But Coming On Soon!

 

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[HazyDavey]

Wow. That was interesting.... and disturbing. An average of two sexual assaults per ship per month! No criminal prosecutions!

 

According to one of the interviewees, any incidents are directed to risk management as opposed to security. In other words, protect the pocketbook of the cruiseline as opposed to protecting the passengers.

 

Scary.

[imsulin]

Yeah...Bill O'Reilly the "know -it-all"!! First, he refers to RCI as "the Caribbean Cruise Line" (instead of Royal Caribbean Cruise Line) He then refers to the Brilliance of the Seas as a "cruise boat" (instead of SHIP) What...the Billster has never been on a cruise?? He either can't read his notes right, or he's just too full of himself. I vote for the latter! (Just watched the segment)

 

Not a B.O. fan....in any interpretation

[spicy1]

Sounds too fishy (no pun intended), the couple was so intoxicated. They really need security cameras in the hallways. This mess really needs to stop, the open waters over international waters are just not an ideal crime scene.

[spicy1]

I do agree Bill is full of crap, although they cruise lines need to revamp their security.

[kenandlaura06]

O'Reilly full of himself---no way! :)

[imsulin]

Yes way!

 

All Aboard on the "Caribbean Boat"!!!

[bplazo]

Leave poor Bill alone. I like him.

[shirlmac]

It appears that you folks would rather discuss Bill O'Reilly's personality

than the severity of the issues at hand. Did you not hear the fact given?

This is frightening. I believe that any entity such as a hotel, restaurant or cruise ship owes it patrons a duty of safe passage. You do not go to these place and expect to be assaulted,that is not what you pay for. It is not always the guest fault. Some on this board will blame the guest, "if they were not drunk, or what ever". Sexual assault is force taken against a persons will, drunk, sober or what ever label you place on it and it is a crime. No one should cover up sexual assault. I hope this goes nation wide and to every news media around. Maybe then RCCL might clean up their act. I am

very angry over this and their is no excuse for RCCL's actions.

[bplazo]

I agree that is a serious situation. You read on the boards all the time about people allowing young children to run around unsupervised at all hours of the night.

 

I will be watching my daughter very carefully on our next cruise. (not that I dont already).

[kenandlaura06]

It appears that you folks would rather discuss Bill O'Reilly's personality

than the severity of the issues at hand. Did you not hear the fact given?

This is frightening. I believe that any entity such as a hotel, restaurant or cruise ship owes it patrons a duty of safe passage. You do not go to these place and expect to be assaulted,that is not what you pay for. It is not always the guest fault. Some on this board will blame the guest, "if they were not drunk, or what ever". Sexual assault is force taken against a persons will, drunk, sober or what ever label you place on it and it is a crime. No one should cover up sexual assault. I hope this goes nation wide and to every news media around. Maybe then RCCL might clean up their act. I am

very angry over this and their is no excuse for RCCL's actions.

 

Obviously any crime is a serious matter. That goes without saying.

[kenandlaura06]

However, that doesn't mean that I can't comment on O'Reilly's arrogant manner of presentation. It turns many people off (including myself).

[cbny]

I totally agree with Shirlmac.

 

A short time ago, before I saw this thread, I started another one on this topic because I was so upset by the report. Then, when I saw O'Reilly's name in the title of this thread, I feared that it might degenerate into a discussion of the show's host. It should go without saying, but as Shirlmac said, like him or not, Bill O'Reilly is not the issue.

 

What matters here is that there probably is a very serious problem with safety (or the lack of it) and coverups on RCI cruises which needs to be exposed. Let's hope this report is a start. RCI has a responsibility to provide as safe an environment as possible for its customers and to be accountable when things go wrong. Hopefully, this kind of pressure will force them to reassess and to behave more responsibly in the future.

[hermang]

I totally agree with Shirlmac.

 

A short time ago, before I saw this thread, I started another one on this topic because I was so upset by the report. Then, when I saw O'Reilly's name in the title of this thread, I feared that it might degenerate into a discussion of the show's host. It should go without saying, but as Shirlmac said, like him or not, Bill O'Reilly is not the issue.

 

What matters here is that there probably is a very serious problem with safety (or the lack of it) and coverups on RCI cruises which needs to be exposed. Let's hope this report is a start. RCI has a responsibility to provide as safe an environment as possible for its customers and to be accountable when things go wrong. Hopefully, this kind of pressure will force them to reassess and to behave more responsibly in the future.

Stop serving liquor on all cruises then you won;t have drunks.

 

Seriously Safe passage to me means that things like fire safety, protection from terrorists, ships that don't sink, doing background checks on employees.

 

Beyond that - do you expect that the cruise line will do a background check on every passenger to see if they have a drinking problem or have been arrested and deny them passage because of it?

 

There is no Dram Shop law at sea because the passenger is not driving - if he/she wants to get drunk and woof his biscuits thats one thing - if the guy/gal tries to cave in a cabin door or trashes his/her cabin while drunk - the cruise line should escort him off at the next stop and bill for damages.

Beyond that SHould they have armed guards in every hall way??

[grvdggr71]

I'm really amazed that if that statistic is true, that tons of people on these boards haven't reported themselves or someone they know of being a victim of sexual assault on a cruise. Also, what does this statistic entail? Does this statistic include the crewmembers? What about passengers while they are in port?

[TPKeller]

From: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

 

The Logical Fallacy: Ad Hominem

 

Description of Ad Hominem

 

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

 

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

 

Person A makes claim X.

Person B makes an attack on person A.

Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

 

Theron

[snowbird1]

To be honest MSNBC also has the story and in great detail, even a picture of a huge puddle of blood that they claim was found below the couples balcony. They said there picture was an exclusive taken by a passenger. They also mentioned the numbers of crimes on ships so Bill is not the only one talking about this. Watch Scarborough County and see their story on this (has been on the last 2 nights straight). Really is an interesting story with all kinds of twists. I will continue to cruise but it never hurts to remember to be careful.

[Tra4]

Do you honestly think there are more crimes on cruiseships than any hotel crimes?? Cruiseships are no more likely to have crimes than if you stay at a hotel. Its like a plane crash or car accident--

 

Yes, they happen. Be careful. When you stay at a resort, be careful, hotel, be careful. The cruiseship has nothing to do with the passengers creating the crimes.

[HazyDavey]

Do you honestly think there are more crimes on cruiseships than any hotel crimes?? Cruiseships are no more likely to have crimes than if you stay at a hotel. Its like a plane crash or car accident--

 

Yes, they happen. Be careful. When you stay at a resort, be careful, hotel, be careful. The cruiseship has nothing to do with the passengers creating the crimes.

 

Yes, but that doesn't give the cruise ships the right to cleanse the crime scene as soon as possible to mitigate the possibility of claims against them as was alleged on the various programs covering this story.

[Tra4]

Seems to me, the cruiseship is the one that reported the incident, not the wife. the crew found the blood and opened the investigation

[as41shots]

It was an amazing show. He blamed the whole thing on the Clintons.

[as41shots]

It appears that you folks would rather discuss Bill O'Reilly's personality

than the severity of the issues at hand. Did you not hear the fact given?

True. And maybe that is because Bill O'Reilly would rather attack all guests that do not share his viewpoint than discuss the severity of the issues at hand.

 

And he is one with firsthand knowledge of sexual pecdadillos, so if he is reporting it, he must have inside knowledge. :D

[Merion_Mom]

http://www.cruisejunkie.com

[Andipanda1]

True. And maybe that is because Bill O'Reilly would rather attack all guests that do not share his viewpoint than discuss the severity of the issues at hand.

 

And he is one with firsthand knowledge of sexual pecdadillos, so if he is reporting it, he must have inside knowledge. :D

 

The fact that O'Reilly can't even get the name of the cruiseline right says volumes. Look, he's an alumnus of a Current Affair. He is NOT a journalist, and I say that from the standpoint of someone that is trained as a journalist. He's a talk show host, known for making irresponsible statements.

[kenandlaura06]

The fact that O'Reilly can't even get the name of the cruiseline right says volumes. Look, he's an alumnus of a Current Affair. He is NOT a journalist, and I say that from the standpoint of someone that is trained as a journalist. He's a talk show host, known for making irresponsible statements.

 

Well said.