Summit

[antsnanny]

You can of course express your opinion, even when it's factually incorrect.

 

Tell my why people are allowed to bend the rules when it suits them and other times not and why it's appropriate to do so?

 

It's plain old rude, ill mannered, disrespectful and a whole lot of other adjectives.

 

It's certainly not proper etiquette. Go ahead and blast me for being ill mannered for using such bad phrases but they are all appropriate here.

 

Lots of cruising isn't what it used to be, some still is, Celebrity is one of the few lines that still wants to host occasional formal nights instead of the good old days when every night was a formal affair, so is it so wrong to expect passengers to actually respect that, or eat in another of the other half dozen venues if they aren't up to it or don't like the policy?

 

You paid to eat there, but you also agreed to the contract and its terms and conditions, part of which stipulated there would be a certain number of formal nights and explained what the required dress was for those nights. But oh yeah, ME ME ME, I don't like THAT part of the equation, so let me just simply pretend it doesn't exist.

 

It's more about common courtesy to your fellow travelers, some of which enjoy dressing up on occasions, and actually seek out Celebrity for that very reason versus a line that does not offer a dedicated formal night. Then we get there to have others disrespect the policy dining room and our special evening out and then try to argue that it's their prerogative "since I paid for my dinner". Well guess what that night your dinner is waiting someplace else, you didn't pay for it in the MDR if you don't come dressed appropriately. The same contract that provides for your dinner also stipulates your wearing formal wear on certain nights.

 

What you do is place the door staff in a very awkward position, and that's not right either. They want to be of service, and now have to determine let you in or not, and may err on the side of letting you in so you don't send a nasty letter to their supervisor explaining how they made you go hungry one night, or kept you from the lobster intentionally or whatever reason one feels the entitlement to ruin the formal atmosphere over just to meet their own individual needs and wants offer the expectations of the rest who want to honor the dress code and policy of the dining room.

 

Sheesh. Some people are just rude and will never understand how rude they are.

 

Common courtesy just isn't so common anymore. It's really sad. Unfortunately those guilty of not having it will never believe it's them that are missing it. :roll eyes:

 

Can you o to court in shorts and flip flops, or will the judge toss you out and tell you to ***** back more appropriately dressed? You paid your taxes so you can do what you want right?

 

If you send your kid to a private school that requires a uniform, can you send them in t-shirts and jeans even though the policy is wear a unifor,, you psi the tuition after all, so do what you want.

 

GEEZ.. I choose to dress formal on formal night BUT I can't impose my idea of formal dress on others……. You can't either.. Relax…. This is up to Celebrity and if they deem the dress appropriate for the MDR on formal night than they let them in. This is not all about what you like, there are many more passengers on the ship. As another poster pointed out, it does not effect me one little bit what people are wearing, the food is the same, the service is the same so just try to enjoy yourself without worrying what others are wearing.. The very people who offend you so much probably very nice people who don't own dressy clothes.. I think Celebrity realizes that there is a large percentage of cruisers who aren't into the dressing up so thats why there so lenient...

[cle-guy]

GEEZ.. I choose to dress formal on formal night BUT I can't impose my idea of formal dress on others……. You can't either.. Relax…. This is up to Celebrity and if they deem the dress appropriate for the MDR on formal night than they let them in. This is not all about what you like, there are many more passengers on the ship. As another poster pointed out, it does not effect me one little bit what people are wearing, the food is the same, the service is the same so just try to enjoy yourself without worrying what others are wearing.. The very people who offend you so much probably very nice people who don't own dressy clothes.. I think Celebrity realizes that there is a large percentage of cruisers who aren't into the dressing up so thats why there so lenient...

 

I'm not imposing my anything. I'm following the guidelines the ship, my host, has requested and asking others to share the same courtesy and respect. Formal Nights I don't care to dress formal, I know I have other options, some at no cost, others for a fee. Luckily I don't have to impose my idea of formal dress, Celebrity has made that VERY clear when they define Formal and Smart Casual. It's really pretty black and white, with women having a bit more wiggle room in that interpretation than men do.

 

I like my photographs to be full of well-dressed people on formal nights when I take pictures at the table or of the dining room, it's but 1 or 2 or 3 nights per cruise after all. I don't want to see a hawaiian shirt in the background when taking picture of my well dressed table mates in tuxedos. It just doesn't look right. That's what the dress code is all about, not that it will affect the taste or service or flavor of my meal.

 

I wouldn't go to a funeral in flip flops or tank top or blue jeans or golf shirt, as there is commonly accepted way to dress when going to a funeral. Same for going to a formal dinner affair.

 

You're right X does realize a lot that don't want to dress formally - thats why it's not a policy to dress formally EVERY night, and they provide clear guidance as to when the formal nights are and how they expect those who wish to dine that evening to dress. X is trying to provide an atmosphere of formality for a particular portion of their cursers who pay and come on the ship expecting that formality on those nights it is in force, as per the scheduled number of evenings noted in the cruise documents and when booking.

 

Anyone sailing on a Celebrity ship (and likely ANY ship for that mater) certainly has "dressy clothes". It's a suit jacket and a tie, and they have just spent thousands on a vacation. Even I growing up on a farm had a jacket and tie when was 7 years old, "just in case" it was ever needed. A man can get a jacket at Men's Wearhouse for as little as $25 and no one would have a clue how much it cost.

 

And those who don't have "dressy clothes" are free to dine at Ocean view cafe those evenings, or arrange specialty dining for as little as $7 per person in Bistro or as much ad $45 in the other restaurants. Or rent the formal wear fem the rental agency. Or they should be cruising on a line that does not require formal wear if all they want is to dine in the MDR, there are several that don't request the formal wear, I believe NCL and Carnival come to mound, but I'm not positive.

 

It's all about respect for the policy and fellow travelers is all. A certain ambiance is expected when booking with various lines, and part of X's ambience is a formal night or 2 each cruise.

 

But I do thank you for participating in formal wear on formal nights.

Edited July 7, 2014 by cle-guy

[ITD]

GEEZ.. I choose to dress formal on formal night BUT I can't impose my idea of formal dress on others……. You can't either.. Relax…. This is up to Celebrity and if they deem the dress appropriate for the MDR on formal night than they let them in. This is not all about what you like, there are many more passengers on the ship. As another poster pointed out, it does not effect me one little bit what people are wearing, the food is the same, the service is the same so just try to enjoy yourself without worrying what others are wearing.. The very people who offend you so much probably very nice people who don't own dressy clothes.. I think Celebrity realizes that there is a large percentage of cruisers who aren't into the dressing up so thats why there so lenient...

 

I don't think he's asking to impose his standards on anyone. It's the folks that choose to ignore what's expected (and clearly laid out) that are imposing on the staff who have to decide whether or not to enforce the rules and the other guests who were hoping for a formal ambiance.

[davekathy]

The evening dress guidelines are simple to follow. However the Cruise lines including Celebrity sometimes doesn't enforce them. BTW we comply and could could care less what others elect to wear. If you elect not to dress IAW the evening dress guidelines that's between you and the Cruise line. What frosts my stones is the lame excuses Cruiser post on these forums for not wanting to comply with the evening dress guidelines. Like the OP's comment..."trying to keep luggage to a mininum". Ok then pack formal wear and leave out some of the T shirts and shorts.

[NOSaints1]

So if a woman wears dress pants or a skirt is that okay?

 

 

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[Wine-O]

So if a woman wears dress pants or a skirt is that okay?

 

 

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Only if it's a very short skirt. It will get you in everywhere. ;)

[NOSaints1]

Haha can I ask a question on a different topic? The 123 sales it includes alcohol, my DW and I only drink Pop juice, that sortve thing. How would that work than.

 

 

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[cle-guy]

Haha can I ask a question on a different topic? The 123 sales it includes alcohol, my DW and I only drink Pop juice, that sortve thing. How would that work than.

 

 

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The classic drink package includes all lesser beverages (soda water etc) as well as certain alcoholic ones.

 

You may find more value in taking the OBC offer rather than the drink package in your case and just pay for a premium non alcohol package from the OBC.

[NOSaints1]

Good to know thanks.

 

 

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[espo56]

We have 8 family members cruising to Bermuda next month on Summit. Age range from 8-74 years old. Is it acceptable on formal nights to wear a long sleeve dress shirt - tie - dress pants but no jacket for the children and grown men. Trying to keep the luggage to a minimum.

 

Got back 2 weeks ago. Men were not dressed up on the formal nights. I saw men with jeans on being admitted into the dining room on the second formal night no problem. Celebrity has relaxed the dress code on this ship probably because they are competing with the NCL Breakaway which also sails to Bermuda. Eating I the speciality restaurant will cost your group $400.

[cle-guy]

Eating I the speciality restaurant will cost your group $400.

 

Bistro on 5 would only cost the group $70, and Ocean View Cafe would cost nothing, nor would room service which would also serve the MDR menu of the night.

 

There are options other than MDR that are quite reasonable for those who choose not to participate in the formality of the MDR on those special evenings in addition to the specialty restaurants. This is the point trying to be made.

[espo56]

I don't know why people post incorrect information but here is the correct information. One of three things will happen, they will be refused entry to the MDR, they will be offered a jacket to be worn in the MDR or they may be allowed into the MDR. It all depends on who is at the door, Celebrity is consistently inconsistent in the enforcement of their dress code. Those are the options, choice is yours but I want you to know reality.

 

The Summit Dining Room does not have jackets on hand. I was told by staff at the door that they used to have them but the number of people coming to the dinning room with out one exceeded their supply so they no longer provide them. We were waived right in. My husband had on dockers and a button down shirt. We asked I advance if it would be ok to come like that and we were told yes no problem.

[Crusing Cheryl]

I agree with Cle-Guy. If you signed up to go on the cruise knowing what the dress code was, why would you then ignore the request of the host? I am traveling with my husband and 14 year old son, they both adhere to the dress code, regardless of what others are seen wearing...it's all about respect. Oh, and if the person next to me is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, it will not ruin my dinner, but may give me a false first impression of them.

[Wine-O]

The Summit Dining Room does not have jackets on hand. I was told by staff at the door that they used to have them but the number of people coming to the dinning room with out one exceeded their supply so they no longer provide them. We were waived right in. My husband had on dockers and a button down shirt. We asked I advance if it would be ok to come like that and we were told yes no problem.

 

You're going on a cruise that has 2 formal nights, you live in Monmouth County, and your husband doesn't own at least a sports jacket? It's not like you live in Seaside Heights next door to Snookie and going to a Yankees game. :eek::D:D

Edited July 7, 2014 by Wine-O

[cle-guy]

I'm curious, to those who feel it's acceptable to come to the MDR not dressed in formalwear, for whatever reason, even though it IS the policy to wear formal wear on those evenings

 

• Is it OK to ignore the policy requiring Captain's Club members to dress in long pants when attending Elite Events...we let she Formal Night attire slip on formal nights in MDR so why not let it slip for elite events too.
  
• Is it OK to ignore the smoking policy and light up on a balcony or in the casino or anyplace out doors not just within the designated smoking areas? I've been smoking my whole life, I know how not to make a fire with my cigarette and properly extinguish it in a water bottle or sink full of water.
  
• Is it OK to ignore the policy of no children in the solarium pool when the outdoor pools are open? Kids deserve to use the fun thalasotherapy pool too.
  
• Is it OK to ignore the policy of only allowing Aqua and Suite guests into BLU, we all want to get in there. After All I paid my fare.
  
• Is it OK to ignore the policy that you can not carry on more than 2 bottles of wine, I mean, come on, every one can go thru more than 2 bottles of wine.
  
• Is it OK to ignore the Drinking Policy that says you must be 21 or older, that only applies in the USA anyway, we're not there most of the time on our journey. Let those teenagers have a good time, they can go to war after all and fight.
  
• Is it OK to ignore the policy of not allowing irons on board, I am well in tune with its proper use, and there's no chance I'll burn the ship down and I bring a self shut off timer for it anyway, like they provide on other cruise lines that allow use of irons in cabin. I've done a lot of research, turns out there's not a single incident in at least the last 20 years of a ship fire caused by an iron anyway - that's why some lines still deliver them to the cabin on request. I shouldn't have to PAY for ironing services.
  

l'm just not sure how to know what policies should be enforced versus which ones should not. Whats's the logic one should follow to determine which are meant to be followed versus which are meant to be ignored. Maybe I am missing something.....

[Casanova02]

We have 8 family members cruising to Bermuda next month on Summit. Age range from 8-74 years old. Is it acceptable on formal nights to wear a long sleeve dress shirt - tie - dress pants but no jacket for the children and grown men. Trying to keep the luggage to a minimum.

 

Hi

 

I've been on Solstice, Equinox and Summit (2 times last year and one 2 month ago) and on of them, i did wear only 1 time a jacket but never a tie... I had dress pant and a shirt most of the time short sleeve (formal night or not)....

 

Go as you wish and have a super cruise.

 

I hope you have a nice CC group... our CC group was SUPER.....

[maggie.1008]

We love formal nights and dress to suit. However I feel the problem is Celebrity will not enforce their own rules. Formal attire is just one area there are many other rules they do not enforce.

[antsnanny]

Hi

 

I've been on Solstice, Equinox and Summit (2 times last year and one 2 month ago) and on of them, i did wear only 1 time a jacket but never a tie... I had dress pant and a shirt most of the time short sleeve (formal night or not)....

 

Go as you wish and have a super cruise.

 

I hope you have a nice CC group... our CC group was SUPER.....

 

HELLO…. Robert…. Well said and you and Manon looked fabulous! No need to stress about what others wear, just enjoy yourself.. We did have the best CC group, ever!!!!

[espo56]

You're going on a cruise that has 2 formal nights, you live in Monmouth County, and your husband doesn't own at least a sports jacket? It's not like you live in Seaside Heights next door to Snookie and going to a Yankees game. :eek::D:D

 

I guess you can't read correctly. I NEVER said my husband didn't own a sports jacket.

 

Not that it's any of your business but we chose not to bring formal wear this time because we had made plans to dine in Qsine the first formal night. We were planning on going to the buffet the second formal night until the hostess told us to just come to the dining room. If the cruise line has a problem with it, they should enforce it. They don't because they were letting in people with jeans. They obviously don't care what people like you think or want. Celebrity can't compete with other cruise lines because of their stuffy policies. You don't see other lines giving away free drink packages, free gratuities, and OBCs to get people to sail with them. Royal is eliminating the formal dress requirement on Quantum in 16 of their 18 restaurants. Maybe you should try Holland America. It's probably more suited to someone like you.

[RosieRoo]

Just returned from the Summit this morning. We were actually invited to join the Staff Captain at the Captain's table on formal night. I could not believe that two older couples showed up and neither gentleman wore a tie, one gentleman didn't even have a proper suit jacket. It looked more like one of those old leisure suit jackets. No one said a word to either one. It didn't have any effect on my enjoyment of the evening, however I did find it inappropriate dress for the occasion. Just my opinion.

Edited July 7, 2014 by RosieRoo

[Wine-O]

Just returned from the Summit this morning. We were actually invited to join the Staff Captain at the Captain's table on formal night. I could not believe that two older couples showed up and neither gentleman wore a tie, one gentleman didn't even have a proper suit jacket. It looked more like one of those old leisure suit jackets. No one said a word to either one. It didn't have any effect on my enjoyment of the evening, however I did find it inappropriate dress for the occasion. Just my opinion.

 

That's the fault of the Captain's Club Hostess. Happened on our cruise also. I was kinda shocked.

 

BTW, Nigel's a great guy, isn't he. :)

Edited July 7, 2014 by Wine-O

[JonnyCT81]

Just to pop in my 2 cents here - my guy and I love dressing up on formal nights, we go all out with our Tux's (photo below). It may not be for everyone, but we do it because we like to (and it makes us feel very suave like James Bond), some people might not dress up that "formal" on those nights but we don't care, we are having fun together and that's what counts on your vacation. Hope you have a great time!

[espo56]

Just returned from the Summit this morning. We were actually invited to join the Staff Captain at the Captain's table on formal night. I could not believe that two older couples showed up and neither gentleman wore a tie, one gentleman didn't even have a proper suit jacket. It looked more like one of those old leisure suit jackets. No one said a word to either one. It didn't have any effect on my enjoyment of the evening, however I did find it inappropriate dress for the occasion. Just my opinion.

 

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those 2 people could not afford to buy an appropriate suit to wear. Some people save for years to be able to go on a cruise. They paid their fare, they were invited by the Captain so he obviously didn't have a problem with what they wore. Older people sometimes cruise for special occasions and really don't have money for extra expenses. Just sayin....

[RosieRoo]

That's the fault of the Captain's Club Hostess. Happened on our cruise also. I was kinda shocked.

 

BTW, Nigel's a great guy, isn't he. :)

 

Yes, Nigel was a great host.

[RosieRoo]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those 2 people could not afford to buy an appropriate suit to wear. Some people save for years to be able to go on a cruise. They paid their fare, they were invited by the Captain so he obviously didn't have a problem with what they wore. Older people sometimes cruise for special occasions and really don't have money for extra expenses. Just sayin....

 

I have no desire to get into an argument with anyone here. As I stated in my post, it was just my opinion.

 

As for your comment about if they could afford it, I clearly heard the gentlemen state that he was "Doctor So and So". I hardly think the expense was the reason for his outfit. Also, the only people who were invited to the table were all staying in suites according to the Captains Club hostess.

 

And for your info, my dress was formal and it came off the clearance rack at Marshall's.

Edited July 7, 2014 by RosieRoo