Hope the NonSmokers are happy-Price Jumps on every cruise

[leekel619]

Whatever CC wants people to think, the number of people who come to these boards is very small compared to the number who cruise.

 

Odds are in your favor.

 

I agree and always felt that way. CC members are a very small percentage of cruisers.

Matter of fact, the last few Meet and Greets we've been to were embarrassing. If 50 people showed up, that's a lot. Half of them non-member spouses, family members or friends of CC members...I think pretty soon the staff who shows up to talk to us will call ahead and not come if the attendance is so low.

When the ship has 2000+ passengers!

 

I enjoy CC! Love to read the boards and some are very entertaining.

[halos]

Bad cologne irritates me, wish there were some rules on it. It's just as harmful.

Hey, I happen to agree with this but you aren't getting the point and neither are 99% of the people posting on every social media outlet about this.

Cologne odor isn't costing the cruise line money.

 

I read that there was a regulation passed (by who, don't ask me because I have no idea who regulates the cruise industry) that gave them an ultimatum:

 

Regulations require cruise ships to ban balcony smoking or install very costly fire suppression systems and upgrades

 

Doesn't this or something similar make more sense??

Edited July 16, 2014 by halos

[RDC1]

Those that believe a whiff of second hand smoke kills would buy such property. Not surprised.

 

The issue with second hand smoke it not a whiff, but is instead more of a cumulative exposure issue, as such the issue is a matter reducing or eliminating total exposure over ones lifetime, not a matter of a single exposure. But as they say every little bit helps.

[RDC1]

Hey, I happen to agree with this but you aren't getting the point and neither are 99% of the people posting on every social media outlet about this.

Cologne odor isn't costing the cruise line money.

 

I read that there was a regulation passed (by who don't ask me because I have no idea who regulated the cruise industry) that gave them an ultimatum:

 

Regulations require cruise ships to ban balcony smoking or install very costly fire suppression systems and upgrades

 

Doesn't this or something similar make more sense??

 

Not sure about the claim on the regulations. Other then someones claim here I cannot find any such change in regulations, including in regulations from the coast guard, insurance company postings, etc.

 

So until someone actually posts some specific regulatory reference such as the federal register or a specific insurance company info I would consider this more of a wild rumor then fact.

[Casino Comp Chick]

Just to get back to the OP's original point, my OBC was just doubled to $300 and my price for the Escape Haven H5 hasn't changed a bit. Except that now I can enjoy a smoke-free Haven experience. Thank you SO MUCH NCL!!! :D

 

Why bother

Edited July 16, 2014 by iimmie

[SFO-F/A]

I'm angry, well not angry just a bit perturbed by the ban on smoking on your balcony. One thing I take great pleasure in is rising early getting a cup of coffee and having a morning smoke watching the sunrise on my balcony. I will really miss that option. We will not be canceling our cruise on the Getaway but I do foresee a few if not all of our friends doing so. This will be a first cruise for all of them.

 

I can understand and support eliminating smoking within the interior of the ship even the casino, I hate smoke filled rooms as much as non-smokers. I even support designated outside smoking areas but I find it hard to believe that it truly bothers anyone on a balcony with a ship in motion.

 

hogj88,

yes, it truly bothers non smokers to have smokers on the balcony next to them with a ship in motion. you can't notice the smell, because you are a smoker.

[hog88]

Hey, I happen to agree with this but you aren't getting the point and neither are 99% of the people posting on every social media outlet about this.

Cologne odor isn't costing the cruise line money.

 

I read that there was a regulation passed (by who don't ask me because I have no idea who regulated the cruise industry) that gave them an ultimatum:

 

Regulations require cruise ships to ban balcony smoking or install very costly fire suppression systems and upgrades

 

Doesn't this or something similar make more sense??

 

I get this 100%. None of the cruise lines give a darn that someone smelling another's smoke irritates them it's all about the $$$.

 

It's just the asinine comments and faux facts some of these people are posting that makes me wonder about their intellect.

[hog88]

From the CDC

 

Exposure to secondhand smoke causes nearly 42,000 deaths each year among adults in the United States:1

Secondhand smoke causes 7,333 annual deaths from lung cancer.1

Secondhand smoke causes 33,951 annual deaths from heart disease.1

 

While there is medical information about allergic reactions to perfume resulting in headaches, asthma, wheezing, etc perfume does not seem to make any death list of statistics on cause of death in the US. So it does not appear to be anywhere close to second hand smoke.

 

Big Macs are 100% fatal. Every single person that has ever eaten one will die.

 

 

See how that works.

[EyeSeaEwe]

I get this 100%. None of the cruise lines give a darn that someone smelling another's smoke irritates them it's all about the $$$.

 

It's just the asinine comments and faux facts some of these people are posting that makes me wonder about their intellect.

 

So now you are not mad because you cannot smoke on a balcony any more. you are mad at the REASON you can't. Seriously that has to be the silliest thing I have heard from anyone over the age of three.

Edited July 16, 2014 by EyeSeaEwe

[halos]

Not sure about the claim on the regulations. Other then someones claim here I cannot find any such change in regulations, including in regulations from the coast guard, insurance company postings, etc.

 

So until someone actually posts some specific regulatory reference such as the federal register or a specific insurance company info I would consider this more of a wild rumor then fact.

 

I understand that this is unsubstantiated...but this or something similar must be the reason. It makes sense. Blaming non smokers seems a huge stretch. Something changed that will add cost to the cruise lines or none of them would have done this. For some reason, people don't see that this is about money....which is crazy because EVERYTHING about any business is about money. For some reason, smokers (some, not all) want to blame this on non smokers.

 

If you step back and think about how absolutely absurd that is....

Edited July 16, 2014 by halos

[SFO-F/A]

Yeah, OK they must have a super sensitive nose.

 

In all seriousness on our last cruise we got to know our downwind neighbors around day 3. They were surprised to learn we smoked because the woman was "allergic" to cigarette smoke, they had been out on their balcony at the same time we were several times and never noticed.

 

not true!

[EyeSeaEwe]

Those that believe a whiff of second hand smoke kills would buy such property. Not surprised.

 

Man you must have one hell of a big monkey!

[dwjoe]

The irony of your assumption is I get my cruises comped, I could care less what anyone else is charged but I will say I will not be so congenial in the future when I am gambling and a non smoker tries to annoy or shame me into putting my cigarette out.

You posted in your OP that you were going to cancel your cruises ... so you shouldn't need to butt horns with non smokers in the casino anymore.

[hog88]

So now you are not mad because you cannot smoke on a balcony any more. you are mad at the REASON you can't. Seriously that has o be the silliest thing I have heard from anyone over the age of three.

 

I'm not mad at all. I'll work around it because I love to cruise, heck I just might quit smoking all together. Done it before.

[EyeSeaEwe]

Big Macs are 100% fatal. Every single person that has ever eaten one will die.

 

 

See how that works.

 

Yep you made an invalid assumption of causation.

[hog88]

not true!

 

100% true. They never noticed even though she was "allergic" to cigarette smoke.

[dwjoe]

I understand that this is unsubstantiated...but this or something similar must be the reason. It makes sense. Blaming non smokers seems a huge stretch. Something changed that will add cost to the cruise lines or none of them would have done this.

My guess is it's just a tipping point has been reached... there are now enough non-smokers who complain about smoke on the balcony that the cruise lines figure they'll gain more business than they'll lose by banning smoking on balconies. Not sure if the Carnival announcement is linked to NCL's but the timing seems too close to be coincidental.

 

The same will probably happen in the casino at some point.

[hog88]

Yep you made an invalid assumption of causation.

 

No I stated an indisputable fact.

[RDC1]

I understand that this is unsubstantiated...but this or something similar must be the reason. It makes sense. Blaming non smokers seems a huge stretch. Something changed that will add cost to the cruise lines or none of them would have done this.

 

The driver is demographics. The trend has been moving more to the non-smoker environment. The change is being driven by the cruise lines evaluation of which is more lucrative to them.

 

This string of changes is not dissimilar to the move a couple of years ago when the cruise lines moved to eliminate smoking in cabins. They all followed each other over a six month period with HAL being the last.

 

Not surprising that Carnival and NCL made the changes relatively close together. They have have access to the same demographic data and trends. They probably also have good intelligence on changes their competition is considering.

 

I would expect HAL to following with an announcement within 3 months or so, if they follow the same pattern as last time.

[halos]

The driver is demographics..

I agree the demographics are there...but why would the lines make the change? Do you honestly think THAT many complained????

I don't.

I hated being on my balcony next to smokers but I never complained....I put up with it and I think there are more non smokers like me than ones who loudly complained.

 

I do understand the anger...I just don't understand the misdirection of it.

Edited July 16, 2014 by halos

[Single Cruiser]

My guess is it's just a tipping point has been reached... there are now enough non-smokers who complain about smoke on the balcony that the cruise lines figure they'll gain more business than they'll lose by banning smoking on balconies. Not sure if the Carnival announcement is linked to NCL's but the timing seems too close to be coincidental.

 

The same will probably happen in the casino at some point.

 

Also wouldn't be surprised if they get a discount from their insurers. Reducing smoking in several hundred balconies has to significantly reduce risk of fire and as we've seen with the Costa cruise ship, an insurance policy is very, very high!! I.e. A lot of NCL older ships don't have sprinklers on balconies!

 

I see it not as banning. It's NCL simply adjusting their existing policy on the restrictions of smoking onboard. Nothing to stop people nipping out onto an open deck to smoke so if I was a smoker I'd simply book a cabin one deck away from top or prom deck.

[terrymtex01]

Smokers.. simply get a good quality Ecig. There is no way they can prove you were smoking on your balcony or in your room. mine smells like lemon/lime.. I was merely have a gin and tonic, not smoking my ecig. Believe me if you get a good one, it will satisfy you.

[EyeSeaEwe]

You posted in your OP that you were going to cancel your cruises ... so you shouldn't need to butt horns with non smokers in the casino anymore.

 

She won't cancel. She is just venting.

[EyeSeaEwe]

No I stated an indisputable fact.

 

 

In this case the two are not mutually exclusive. Everyone that is born dies. She how that works. Eventually even that big old monkey on your back. Bye, have fun in your being so miserable!

[RDC1]

I agree the demographics are there...but why would the lines make the change? Do you honestly think THAT many complained????

I don't.

I hated being on my balcony next to smokers but I never complained....I put up with it and I think there are more non smokers like me than ones who loudly complained.

 

I do understand the anger...I just don't understand the misdirection of it.

 

Not a matter or complaints as much as booking patterns and questionaires. You can rest assured that cruise lines spend a lot of money on market research. The bottom line is all of their information from that market research is telling them that they can make more money with the changes. It all comes down to competition.