wingatesl Posted January 25, 2015 #101 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Which pharmaceutical company was benefiting from this study? Sure we can, but I believe it was you who previously claimed that the ONLY reason for regulation was to collect taxes? You both keep either ignoring the fact that many of these e-cigarettes are made, at additional cost, to be able to crank up the voltage to 5 volts - or even try to claim that the study "intentionally misused" the device, which doesn't appear to be true. I've asked more than once, but you continue to ignore the question. If no one cranks the voltage up, then why do manufacturers spend more money making - and users spend more money buying - variable voltage devices which are designed to be able to crank up the voltage to those levels? I'm still waiting to hear the reasoning behind that. The pharmaceutical company is Pfizer. They have a lot to gain from regulation. Millions actually. They are begin it'll funding research into the problems with PVs. Sorry, I did say the ONLY reason. I meant the predominate reasons are for taxes. You also missed the fact that voltage is irrelevant. I can have 1m Volts and not get to 100c. The reason why voltage is variable is because resistance is variable. They don't buy a variable voltage device to increase voltage. They buy it to regulate the voltage to the resistance of the atomizer they are using. In your article they used an atomizer designed for 3.7 volts and cranked it to 5. Hat do you think will happen? Really? Think for yourself and stop discarding anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived ideas. Next thing, you will say you think polar bears are going extinct. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGetWet! Posted January 25, 2015 #102 Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) The pharmaceutical company is Pfizer. They have a lot to gain from regulation. Millions actually. Really? Think for yourself and stop discarding anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived ideas. I fail to see how Pfizer will be making millions from a study (which they didn't even conduct) on e-cigarettes. As for your last sentence I quoted, good advice you might want to consider for yourself too. ;) Edited January 25, 2015 by LetsGetWet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted January 25, 2015 #103 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I fail to see how Pfizer will be making millions from a study (which they didn't even conduct) on e-cigarettes. As for your last sentence I quoted, good advice you might want to consider for yourself too. ;) I have evaluated all sides. Not only am I familiar with the chemistry, I am familiar with all sides of the research. That is why I know this one is trash. As for why Pfizer stands to lose millions? They have the only FDA approved nicotine inhalant. Identical to the e-cig except it uses a catalyst to vaporize the content. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted January 25, 2015 #104 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I fail to see how Pfizer will be making millions from a study (which they didn't even conduct) on e-cigarettes. As for your last sentence I quoted, good advice you might want to consider for yourself too. ;) Oh and the formaldehyde content of pfizer's device are similar to a vaporizer. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverman Posted January 25, 2015 #105 Share Posted January 25, 2015 This is a no win situation. I mean you cant talk to anyone who thinks they know everything and there are lot of those people in this forum. Instead of doing some research. Most of the people replying to this thread are just like the Media. Jumping on the bandwagon. Surprise, surprise, surprise! Sheep,,,follow the leader and I cant think for myself. Its a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted January 25, 2015 #106 Share Posted January 25, 2015 This is a no win situation. I mean you cant talk to anyone who thinks they know everything and there are lot of those people in this forum. Instead of doing some research. Most of the people replying to this thread are just like the Media. Jumping on the bandwagon. Surprise, surprise, surprise! Sheep,,,follow the leader and I cant think for myself. Its a shame. I agree. It is easier to convince people that global warming is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deatsch Posted January 26, 2015 #107 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I predict... 6 pages. ;):p:D Karen, Karen, we need to talk. You WAY underestimated this one. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted January 26, 2015 #108 Share Posted January 26, 2015 People using them in several areas on Jewel last week. RCI staff said nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twindaddy Posted January 26, 2015 #109 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Karen, Karen, we need to talk. You WAY underestimated this one. :) Agreed, I would have added a digit before or after the six. My only thing to add, other than sarcasm and mockery of another smoking thread, is that Royal (and other cruise lines) probably just found it easier to lump e-cigs with regular cigs and ban them all, except in designated areas. Differentiating between the two just causes endless debate, as is evidenced here. Now back to my regularly scheduled sarcasm and pot stirring. Edited January 26, 2015 by twindaddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted January 26, 2015 #110 Share Posted January 26, 2015 People using them in several areas on Jewel last week. RCI staff said nothing. They were everywhere on the freedom. Nobody even noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twindaddy Posted January 26, 2015 #111 Share Posted January 26, 2015 They were everywhere on the freedom. Nobody even noticed. Like wearing shorts in the dining room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted January 26, 2015 #112 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Like wearing shorts in the dining room. Not quite. Nobody could even recognize what was happening. They had no reason to complain, even here. Believe that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstraw20 Posted January 26, 2015 #113 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) I've asked more than once, but you continue to ignore the question. If no one cranks the voltage up, then why do manufacturers spend more money making - and users spend more money buying - variable voltage devices which are designed to be able to crank up the voltage to those levels? I'm still waiting to hear the reasoning behind that. Because voltage is only part of the equation. The amount of voltage needed to raise the temperature of the coils to the desired temperature is related to the coil's resistance. Some vapers prefer multiple coil setups which require that amount of voltage to produce the temperature needed to vaporize the e-liquid. This is an advanced type of system and isn't used by many, but you did ask so there is your answer. The vast majority of users do not utilize such systems and tend to run their rigs anywhere from 3.6 to 4.2 volts. But irregardless of the system, the temperatures required to produce the high levels of formaldehyde would result in three possible outcomes: 1) The coils would quickly fail due to being over-driven 2) If robust enough coils where used, they would likely overrun the rest of the system's ability to supply liquid to the coils, resulting in a "dry hit". 3) If the system were robust enough to supply adequate fluid, the fluid would be burned instead of vaporized. This would taste absolutely awful and the user would immediately reduce the voltage before using it again. So in order to produce the study's results, we have to barge our way past 2 ifs, all to produce something that would taste nasty. Therein lies the problem with this particular study. Edited January 26, 2015 by jstraw20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverman Posted January 26, 2015 #114 Share Posted January 26, 2015 See what a little research can provide? Confirmed: Formaldehyde Study Conducted Under Implausible Conditions; Conclusions Invalid http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/01/confirmed-formaldehyde-study-conducted.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverman Posted January 26, 2015 #115 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I do recognize that many people use ecig to wean off of tobacco cigarettes and feel a bit bad that those have to share the cigarette smoking areas but using an ecig is a choice just like smoking tobacco is a choice, just like smoking nothing at all is a choice. Do you drink Coffee? Coke or Pepsi? Drink Alcohol? If you do your addicted to drugs! Just like you said its a choice right? Think before you speak it will work wonders!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted January 26, 2015 #116 Share Posted January 26, 2015 See what a little research can provide? Confirmed: Formaldehyde Study Conducted Under Implausible Conditions; Conclusions Invalid http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/01/confirmed-formaldehyde-study-conducted.html Dr Siegel once smoked a cigarette. We can't trust his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverman Posted January 26, 2015 #117 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Im done on this subject. Its like talking to a brick wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted January 26, 2015 #118 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Im done on this subject. Its like talking to a brick wall. Don't leave for me!!! I agree with everything you said. I just wish others here agreed. Stay and help me. I can't hold off the ANTZ myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstraw20 Posted January 26, 2015 #119 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Don't leave for me!!! I agree with everything you said. I just wish others here agreed. Stay and help me. I can't hold off the ANTZ myself! Yes Silverman please stay! wingatesl, I'm not going anywhere either :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted January 26, 2015 #120 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I do recognize that many people use ecig to wean off of tobacco cigarettes and feel a bit bad that those have to share the cigarette smoking areas but using an ecig is a choice just like smoking tobacco is a choice, just like smoking nothing at all is a choice. Do you drink Coffee? Coke or Pepsi? Drink Alcohol? If you do your addicted to drugs! Just like you said its a choice right? Think before you speak it will work wonders!!! I smoked for 15 years. I then chose to be a non smoker. I threw out my pack and haven't had one since. A choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemsm Posted January 28, 2015 #121 Share Posted January 28, 2015 FAA warns of fire danger caused by e-cigarettes on planes This may be the game changer for all cruise lines... just a thought... http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/faa-warns-of-fire-danger-caused-by-e-cigarettes-on-planes/ar-AA8wPEj That would be scary as laptop batteries, cell phone batteries etc... have the exact same fire danger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellunderwater Posted January 28, 2015 #122 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Not quite. Nobody could even recognize what was happening. They had no reason to complain, even here. Believe that? Not one little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingatesl Posted January 28, 2015 #123 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Not one little bit. That just makes it easier to hide it from you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edited January 28, 2015 by wingatesl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellunderwater Posted January 29, 2015 #124 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) That just makes it easier to hide it from you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Uummmm.... no, I answered your question. Don't believe it one bit. I bet many noticed. I see it and smell it. You aren't so suave that people don't see it. They just don't want to ruin their vacation by making a scene by asking management to have people follow the rules. Edited January 29, 2015 by shellunderwater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvmike Posted January 29, 2015 #125 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) e-cigs mow a health hazard in California ( and 4 other states) because of the formaldehyde and 9 other cancer causing chemicals they produce. Edited January 29, 2015 by rvmike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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