Changes - Casino at Sea Program

[Moby0215]

You might be misinformed. I had 15,000 points from 5 cruises and I sure did not lose $75k.

 

 

 

My rep at CAS told me that points on the tables is a mixture between time, bets and losses.

 

 

You obviously misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that points DO NOT come from loses. It comes from your bets whether win or lose. My example of $5 per 1 point is on a slot machine. You can spin $5 in spins and get one point but you may not have lost that $5. Make sense?

 

 

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[CruiseWithUs64]

As far as the slot and video poker machines are concerned there is no speculation. This is how points are accumulated for the Casinos at Sea program;

 

 

"Getting started is as easy. Just sign up for your complimentary players card onboard at the Casino Players Club and start playing your way to freebies. Use your Players Club card while playing your favorite slot machines and table games. The more you play, the more you get rewarded.

 

TABLE GAMES: Reward Points are based on average bet, session play or hands played and game type.

 

REEL & VIDEO SLOTS: For every $5 coin-in, receive 1 point.

 

VIDEO POKER: For every $10 coin-in, receive 1 point.

 

Redeem your Reward Points for slot and table game play, toward charges off your final bill or save them for your next cruise.*

 

Reward Points can also be transferred from ship to ship. Earned points stay on your account for 18 months if not redeemed.

 

*Rewards Points earned on qualifying slot machines and table games.'

 

 

Here is a link to where this information can be found on the NCL website;

 

Casinos at Sea program on NCL

 

 

 

In order to earn 10,000 points you must play through $50,000. Losses do not factor in to the accumulation of points. It can be your money played through the machine or the casinos money, but that is the amount that needs to be played.

 

Playing tables is a whole other ballgame as many factors come into play.

 

 

Rochelle

 

OMG really? LMAO. Sure you get a point for each certain dollar amount you put in. But does not mean that the time on the slot machine or at the table is disregarded. LOL

 

I am not a slot player but on the last cruise my friend who is a slot player accumulated over 1500 points and his losses were not near as much as you want to tell me.

[Moby0215]

OMG really? LMAO. Sure you get a point for each certain dollar amount you put in. But does not mean that the time on the slot machine or at the table is disregarded. LOL

 

 

 

I am not a slot player but on the last cruise my friend who is a slot player accumulated over 1500 points and his losses were not near as much as you want to tell me.

 

 

I feel like I keep repeating myself but...1 point per $5 in on a slot does not mean you lost $5. You could have won $1000 and then continued to play all the winnings still accumulating points at 1 per $5. On my last cruise I got 4500 points and came home with $2000 profit.

 

 

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[CruiseWithUs64]

You obviously misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that points DO NOT come from loses. It comes from your bets whether win or lose. My example of $5 per 1 point is on a slot machine. You can spin $5 in spins and get one point but you may not have lost that $5. Make sense?

 

 

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So if my buddy throws in $5 and plays for 4 hours on those 5 bucks he gets 1 point? LOL

[Moby0215]

NO!!! That is the opposite of what I am saying. For every $5 in spins he gets 1 point. He may have been able to turn his $5 into 1000 spins then receiving 1000 points.

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

So if my buddy throws in $5 and plays for 4 hours on those 5 bucks he gets 1 point? LOL

No, if you buddy puts in $5 and plays for four hours and $5,000 runs through the machine, because he is not cashing out his wins and is playing them back, he would have 1,000 points. Edited September 11, 2015 by NLH Arizona

[CruiseWithUs64]

I feel like I keep repeating myself but...1 point per $5 in on a slot does not mean you lost $5. You could have won $1000 and then continued to play all the winnings still accumulating points at 1 per $5. On my last cruise I got 4500 points and came home with $2000 profit.

 

 

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Even if you use the accumulation of 1 point per $5 plaid it does not add up. My friend went through last year's points he earned per cruise. He usually only takes three nighters and spends an equal amount on each cruise in the casino.

His points are steady between 1400 and 1600 points. Based on your notion that your total points are an accumulation of dollars played he must have played the approx same amount of dollars on every cruise. That is statistically impossible not only on one single machine but considering that he changes machines constantly is less than impossible. :D

 

I go by what CAS told me: bets, time played.

Edited September 11, 2015 by CruiseWithUs64

[Moby0215]

Even if you use the accumulation of 1 point per $5 plaid it does not add up. My friend went through last year's points he earned per cruise. He usually only takes three nighters and spends an equal amount on each cruise in the casino.

His points are steady between 1400 and 1600 points. Based on your notion that your total points are an accumulation of dollars played he must have played the approx same amount of dollars on every cruise. That is statistically impossible not only on one single machine but considering that he changes machines constantly is less than impossible. :D

 

I go by what CAS told me: bets, time played.

 

 

You are obviously not understanding how it works. It's the same as it works at all CET properties. $5 through the machine does not mean that is what actually came out of your pocket because the machine is paying out on some spins. The bets, time played is for table games.

 

 

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Edited September 11, 2015 by Moby0215

[Sand and Seas]

So if my buddy throws in $5 and plays for 4 hours on those 5 bucks he gets 1 point? LOL

 

That is not what they are saying. You put in $5, win $$$, and keep playing on their money if you are lucky. It's how many time you spin those reels, not how much you lose. Each $5 spin is giving you one point even though you haven't spent any more of your own money. One cruise I earned 3000 points and came home $500 ahead which I felt was pretty good for the free cruise & drinks we had enjoyed! We usually aren't ahead, but it doesn't cost me thousands of dollars to earn 3000 points or more. The casino of course is hoping you lose, but you can earn 1000s of points and still come out of ahead with luck....but it doesn't usually work that way:rolleyes:

[CruiseWithUs64]

You are obviously not understanding how it works. It's the same as it works at all CET properties. $5 through the machine does not mean that is what actually came out of your pocket because the machine is paying out on some spins. The bets, time played is for table games.

 

 

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Before you categorize me as an idiot here:

Under accumulation of dollars I mean what the machine plays in dollar value.

I.e. if a person puts in $5 and the machine plays $100 in a combination of wins and losses and regardless if the person walks away with any money or nothing at all he gets 500 points. That's basically what you were saying and I call that accumulation of dollars played.

[CruiseWithUs64]

That is not what they are saying. You put in $5, win $$$, and keep playing on their money if you are lucky. It's how many time you spin those reels, not how much you lose. Each $5 spin is giving you one point even though you haven't spent any more of your own money. One cruise I earned 3000 points and came home $500 ahead which I felt was pretty good for the free cruise & drinks we had enjoyed! We usually aren't ahead, but it doesn't cost me thousands of dollars to earn 3000 points or more. The casino of course is hoping you lose, but you can earn 1000s of points and still come out of ahead with luck....but it doesn't usually work that way:rolleyes:

 

That's how it started out though...we already progressed now.

 

Here is the beginning...

 

Unfortunately you are correct. It does make it harder to reach and certainly maintain those higher levels. I think for the vast majority who might cruise once or twice a year and gamble a fair bit, it will be still be difficult to reach and maintain above the Hot level.

 

If I am right in my estimation I would hope that CAS would really up the perks at those higher levels making them worth attaining. We have been told about the 'exciting' changes coming to the program for well over a year now. The only changes I have seen are definitely not in favour of the player. Things like the removal of the Cagney's perk or the wine with dinner.

 

I started this year as Golden and on my first cruise of the new year I made my HOT status for next year. Other than a $150 spa credit I see no extra benefits of reaching Golden again. Those additional 10,000 of points require a minimum of $50,000 in slot play, double that for video poker and I can't imagine what it means for play on the tables.

 

That's a lot of play for a spa credit. :eek:

 

 

Rochelle

[Moby0215]

Before you categorize me as an idiot here:

 

Under accumulation of dollars I mean what the machine plays in dollar value.

 

I.e. if a person puts in $5 and the machine plays $100 in a combination of wins and losses and regardless if the person walks away with any money or nothing at all he gets 500 points. That's basically what you were saying and I call that accumulation of dollars played.

 

 

Please forgive me if my tone insinuated calling you an idiot. That was not my intention. Just trying to give you the facts on how points are accumulated. It's actually quite simple and probably much easier explained in person. In your scenario above there is no way you would get 500 points. 500 points would require $2500 in spins. So if you put in the $5 and throughout the course of your play you won and then lost a total of $2500 then you would have $500 points.

 

 

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[SuiteCruiser]

Easier saying that you put $100 in the machine, and don't win a single thing, at the end of your $100, you have 20 points.

[Sand and Seas]

That's how it started out though...we already progressed now.

 

Here is the beginning...

 

And now I don't understand you??? We are just saying that $50,000 of slot play does not mean you lost $50,000 in the machines. You just played and replayed and replayed until that many points rang up. You can watch the points accumulate and it will show at your machine or you can check at the casino desk.

[SuiteCruiser]

And now I don't understand you??? We are just saying that $50,000 of slot play does not mean you lost $50,000 in the machines. You just played and replayed and replayed until that many points rang up. You can watch the points accumulate and it will show at your machine or you can check at the casino desk.

 

Yes, agreed! the amount of points you get is based on what is played through, as opposed to what is inserted into.

 

1000 points means $5000 played through the machines.

[Coastalbreezes]

FYI to table players: On my Getaway cruise in July, there was a casino party on the first night where our Executive Host announced that going forward table players would only accumulate points based on number of hands played and amount bet. Time spent will no longer count for table players, only for slot players.

Also she told us that the casino welcome parties would be eliminated due to large fluctuations in attendance. Parties would be held only if it was a tournament cruise or cruise with lots of invited players.

 

Tracy

[Jane Don]

FYI to table players: On my Getaway cruise in July, there was a casino party on the first night where our Executive Host announced that going forward table players would only accumulate points based on number of hands played and amount bet. Time spent will no longer count for table players, only for slot players.

Also she told us that the casino welcome parties would be eliminated due to large fluctuations in attendance. Parties would be held only if it was a tournament cruise or cruise with lots of invited players.

 

Tracy

 

That makes no sense as time is usually how hands played is calculated. Certainly nobody has the time to count every single hand. Do you get rated differently for fast or slow dealers or do they just use the standard average hands/spins/rolls per hour table found here? http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/136/

 

I already have little faith in casinos at sea because they don't have to follow any regulations. I wonder what their hands per hour chart looks like. They are most likely trying to reduce comps. I would definitely ask at the end of a session how I was rated. This policy makes no sense unless they literally count every time you place a bet and that is just not realistically feasible because time never counted, except to determine a factor for every calculation that goes into rating.

[Moby0215]

FYI to table players: On my Getaway cruise in July, there was a casino party on the first night where our Executive Host announced that going forward table players would only accumulate points based on number of hands played and amount bet. Time spent will no longer count for table players, only for slot players.

Also she told us that the casino welcome parties would be eliminated due to large fluctuations in attendance. Parties would be held only if it was a tournament cruise or cruise with lots of invited players.

 

Tracy

 

 

Number of hands played is time spent. And for slot players it's much easier to track because it keeps track of everything out in and every spin.

 

 

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[Coastalbreezes]

Number of hands played is time spent. And for slot players it's much easier to track because it keeps track of everything out in and every spin.

 

 

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I don't play tables, only slots so I really don't know. I just repeated exactly what was announced.

 

Tracy

[Minoushka]

I just got back from a land casino comped cruise . I upgraded to a balcony and paid the difference .As usual

I was offereda drink card .....but no one ever came to offer one ...i would go to the bar to get one most nights

Now i am going on another cruise .requested to be somewhat comped ...got a wee discount but was told my points would not count for a free drink card ...it took me a week to get close to 1500 points .They said I had to start over ..back to 0 .how can that be fair

 

How much is 1400 points in play or actual money spent ?on Carnival I was able to get one from playing within 2 days and they were oh o generous with drinks ...one served every 15 minutes ...woohoo ...too muchfor me

 

To me 1400 took all week to get ......it seems a lot and should be comped ..yet they are giving an all drink card to others ...mine was only for casino boohoo

 

I do not get it

[Jeffffffs]

That makes no sense as time is usually how hands played is calculated. Certainly nobody has the time to count every single hand. Do you get rated differently for fast or slow dealers or do they just use the standard average hands/spins/rolls per hour table found here? http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/136/

 

 

What they have done is added to each table a device for counting the number of "hands". On the craps table you'll see two small lights at the top of the table...they will put the dice there after each roll to count the number of rolls. On BJ, there is a sensor in front of each player which gets triggered when the dealer places the cards (it's hard to see, but I became aware of it when a pit boss was instructing a dealer on the correct spot to place the cards).

[Jane Don]

What they have done is added to each table a device for counting the number of "hands". On the craps table you'll see two small lights at the top of the table...they will put the dice there after each roll to count the number of rolls. On BJ, there is a sensor in front of each player which gets triggered when the dealer places the cards (it's hard to see, but I became aware of it when a pit boss was instructing a dealer on the correct spot to place the cards).

 

AHHHH!

 

Technology is slowly ruining the games I love. Staff rely on this junk, never learning proper skills and when there is a glitch, no one knows what to do next. I've seen hand shuffles with holes big enough to park a car in!

[SuiteCruiser]

What they have done is added to each table a device for counting the number of "hands". On the craps table you'll see two small lights at the top of the table...they will put the dice there after each roll to count the number of rolls. On BJ, there is a sensor in front of each player which gets triggered when the dealer places the cards (it's hard to see, but I became aware of it when a pit boss was instructing a dealer on the correct spot to place the cards).

 

This is correct for the newer ships Epic, Breakaway, Getaway and assuming Escape too. For all other ships, they are tracked the old way with time played.

 

TracyE was on the Getaway, so that explains why she was told that.

 

We were on the Dawn last week and they still had the casino party, it was pretty small, in the Star Bar.

[sjbdtz]

Number of hands played is time spent. And for slot players it's much easier to track because it keeps track of everything out in and every spin.

 

 

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What if you're sitting alone at a table, which normally deals a hand every 45 seconds. You hmmm & haw at each hand, and make small-talk with the dealer....then periodically stop playing for a few minutes. The clock is still ticking, but the house isn't taking its edge for those minutes. You could fairly easily cut 1/3 of the hands being dealt in an hour. With hands-dealt, the casino puts itself back on an even level.

 

 

I just got back from a land casino comped cruise . I upgraded to a balcony and paid the difference .As usual

I was offereda drink card .....but no one ever came to offer one ...i would go to the bar to get one most nights

Now i am going on another cruise .requested to be somewhat comped ...got a wee discount but was told my points would not count for a free drink card ...it took me a week to get close to 1500 points .They said I had to start over ..back to 0 .how can that be fair

 

How much is 1400 points in play or actual money spent ?on Carnival I was able to get one from playing within 2 days and they were oh o generous with drinks ...one served every 15 minutes ...woohoo ...too muchfor me

 

To me 1400 took all week to get ......it seems a lot and should be comped ..yet they are giving an all drink card to others ...mine was only for casino boohoo

 

I do not get it

 

I usually accumulate 1500 or so points in my first day, or by noonish on the 2nd day.

 

It's not that much.

 

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[SuiteCruiser]

What if you're sitting alone at a table, which normally deals a hand every 45 seconds. You hmmm & haw at each hand, and make small-talk with the dealer....then periodically stop playing for a few minutes. The clock is still ticking, but the house isn't taking its edge for those minutes. You could fairly easily cut 1/3 of the hands being dealt in an hour. With hands-dealt, the casino puts itself back on an even level.

 

 

 

 

I usually accumulate 1500 or so points in my first day, or by noonish on the 2nd day.

 

It's not that much.

 

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Just curious, do you play tables or slots or both?