Precise mechanism to "reflag" the POH into the Jade?

[whatawonderfulworld]

Can any of you old salts out there explain precisely how the POH will be reflagged into the Jade? Is there some type of special ceremony that occurs, i.e., will she need to be rechristened? New Godmother?

 

Or is it just a matter of changing the hull art work, the NCLA to NCL and a bunch of paperwork?

 

Oh how I hope it is more the former rather than the latter...it's the old romantic in me I guess. ;)

Ciao,

 

W A W W

[Don Haynes]

I think it all depends on NCL. All that is needed is the paperwork, I'm not sure whether the ship has to be renamed. NCL is doing the renaming and changing the hull art to elimiinate any confusion. Whether she will receive another christening service is unknown. But many ships do have another naming cermony.

 

The Sky became the Pride of Aloha with a naming cermony. When the Superstar Leo became the Norwgian Spirit there was no cermony.

[daveco58]

Legally, it is about like registering a car in another state. I believe it will get Bahamian registry, so that part should be simple.

 

Most times, cruise lines do a renaming ceremony.

 

I would like to go on record, as an old-salt-in-training - that renaming a ship is considered very bad luck, and I dont think I could sail on the Norwegian Jade. Just superstitious that way.

[robsvacation]

Legally, it is about like registering a car in I would like to go on record, as an old-salt-in-training - that renaming a ship is considered very bad luck, and I dont think I could sail on the Norwegian Jade. Just superstitious that way.

 

Wow, that's alot of the NCL fleet to avoid! The Norweigan Dream and Norweigan Wind were the Windard and Dreamward respectively. The Pride of Aloha was the Norweigan Sky (which, if you realy want to be picky was actually suppose to be a sister ship to the Costa Victoria) The Norweigan Majesty used to be the Royal Majesty when she was the one ship in the Majesty Cruise Line fleet. The Norweigan Crown has flipped names a few times between 3 different lines (and is about to be renamed again when she is transferred and lengthen to be Fred Olfson's Balormal) the Crown is also one of the few ships that has changed her name and then had it changed back! Spirit has already been mentioned, and again, if your really want to be picky, the Pride of America was originally meant to be the first ship in the United States Cruise line which went under before it began, and the Norweigan Star was originally intended for the Star Cruise Line fleet.

[Don Haynes]

As an old salt, it is considered bad luck to rename a ship, and its number in the navy and the Coast Guard. But many cargo ships change hands too, and despite the bad luck, they change the names. So do cruise lines.

[maestrotim]

I can't seem to find the answer to this, but will the POH keep it's US-based crew when it is sent to Europe as the Jade?

[Don Haynes]

No. An international crew will take over. With the turnover in Hawaii, the other two ships in Hawaii will probably need her American crew. NCL did say her American crew won't be laid off. Attrition should take care of any overage eventually.

 

As far as any international crew shortage, recently the Pearl was placed in service with personnel from the Wind, and the Gem which will be placed in service with personnel from the Crown. Since the Dream's future is cloudy, she repositions to LA after her South American season, it appears her crew will provide personnel for the Jade.

 

Keep in mind cruise ships have almost two crews each, one working and one on holliday. Without any doubt it is easier to raise and keep an international crew than an American crew. These changes should help NCL/NCLA with their peronnel requirements overall.

[Holg]

I just want to make the prediction now: I believe the Jade will never again be part of the Hawaii fleet.... unless Hawaii loosens up with the casino issue.

[Markandrews]

I just want to make the prediction now: I believe the Jade will never again be part of the Hawaii fleet.... unless Hawaii loosens up with the casino issue.

 

I believe it would take more then a casino to send the ship back to Hawaii.

[daveco58]

Wow, that's alot of the NCL fleet to avoid! The Norweigan Dream and Norweigan Wind were the Windard and Dreamward respectively. The Pride of Aloha was the Norweigan Sky (which, if you realy want to be picky was actually suppose to be a sister ship to the Costa Victoria) The Norweigan Majesty used to be the Royal Majesty when she was the one ship in the Majesty Cruise Line fleet. The Norweigan Crown has flipped names a few times between 3 different lines (and is about to be renamed again when she is transferred and lengthen to be Fred Olfson's Balormal) the Crown is also one of the few ships that has changed her name and then had it changed back! Spirit has already been mentioned, and again, if your really want to be picky, the Pride of America was originally meant to be the first ship in the United States Cruise line which went under before it began, and the Norweigan Star was originally intended for the Star Cruise Line fleet.

 

Actually, its a lot of many lines ships to avoid - so far the Mardi Gras in 1984, and the Norway in 1986, are the only renamed ships I have ever cruised, sailed or fished on.

But thats just me. :rolleyes: All the newbuildings of the last 10 years have made it easier.

[Holg]

I believe it would take more then a casino to send the ship back to Hawaii.

 

You're probably right. The only other things I can think of that would help the Hawaii situation would be...

 

1) Changes to the Jones Act that are specific to Hawaii. Namely, don't require foreign-flagged ships that round-trip Honolulu to touch a foreign port. I don't think it will happen becasue it will be seen as "taking jobs away from Americans" plus a number of other issues.

 

2) The cruiseline needs to come-up with some sort of partnership with an airline to provide significant savings for the flights to/from the islands. For our recent Hawaii cruise I spent literally $2.75 less (per person) for the airfare than I did for the fare for the cruise.

[electricron]

Hawaii's popularity will have to increase, to a point where NCL can sail three full ships year round from Hawaii. That would take a movie, or another hit TV show based in Hawaii.

 

Don't forget, air fares to and from Hawaii aren't cheap. One can see Hawaii without taking a cruise, there are other ways. A new way is about to start starting in July 2007, taking the ferry!

http://www.hawaiisuperferry.com/

 

[electricron]

You're probably right. The only other things I can think of that would help the Hawaii situation would be...

 

Changes to the Jones Act that are specific to Hawaii. Namely, don't require foreign-flagged ships that round-trip Honolulu to touch a foreign port. I don't think it will happen because it will be seen as "taking jobs away from Americans" plus a number of other issues.

 

The American financed, American owned, American crewed, and American built ferry operator would not accept any changes to the Jones Act. The US Congess in the past, and will in the future, passed exemptions to the Jones Act when there isn't an American company operating in an area requiring regular service. I believe NCLA and the new Hawaii Superferry will be operating in Hawaii for years to come.

Therefore, there will be no need for the US Congress to make a new exemption.

[Holg]

The American financed, American owned, American crewed, and American built ferry operator would not accept any changes to the Jones Act.

 

I wasn't aware the ferry operator was the creator of US National Law. I thought it was the 535 members of Congress of which Hawaii is only 0.7477%.

[electricron]

I wasn't aware the ferry operator was the creator of US National Law. I thought it was the 535 members of Congress of which Hawaii is only 0.7477%.

 

The ferry operator doesn't have any more political power than others. But there are alot of others affected by the PSA, including all shipping lines and airlines. Changing the PSA affects more businesses, and more American jobs, than what one at first believes. The American airlines have plenty of political and economic power. And they provide service to just about every Congressional district.

 

As I wrote before, forget changing the PSA entirely. The last time Congress seriously considered changing the entire PSA code in the late 1990s, they couldn't agree to allow all the cruise lines to use foreign built ships. They didn't even consider dropping American ownership, American crews, or American regulations. Congress will make exemptions when and if a situtation arises where an American company will not provide a needed service. Like retaining Hawaiian inter-island cruises. As long as an American company is providing the service, a new exemption will not be made.