RCCL New Smoking Policy Discussion (merged)

[bluejeans]

Create fear, and a society will destroy itself. Create phobias and the people have little time to worry about what really matters in life. They are simply too busy policing their neighbors. Divide a nation and you weaken its resolve. Allow social engineering and the foothold to dictatorship is set.

 

And this not only applies to smokers. In time, all with a bad habit (as big brother sees it) will be outlawed. Just a matter of time folks, just a matter of time.

 

Nothing will be resolved with this policy until the numbers are out. I do wish smokers as well as nonsmokers could get along. I do know a couple of my friends do not smoke, but allow me if i wish to smoke around them, they said they would prefer to be around me than not around me at all. Ya see, I am a LOT of fun. :D

[EMTgoneNUTZ]

ENOUGH ALREADY!

 

The point of this thread was to discuss the new smoking policy and *NOT* the pros and cons of smoking. That discussion is extremely off-topic. If you continue with this nagging at each other, this thread, like three others on the Carnival boards, will get deleted , end of story.

 

 

 

And I am a non-smoker with a wife that is ***allergic*** to smoke. Due to her allergies, we travel with a HEPA filter and allergy medications. We have entered rooms where we cannot smell the smoke but she can tell from her body's reactions that there are smoke residues, sometimes small trace amounts of smoke, other times tar buildup, in some of the porous surfaces/materials. We ask the ship's crew to clean the room. They glycolize (Ozium) or ionize the room, they clean with special solvents and we set up our HEPA filter to try and filter out some of the remaining particulates. We cope. We stay almost exclusively in Marriott properties and only with non-smoking friends. We do not condemn smokers, we just avoid them and where they smoke when we can (yes, the smoke residue on their clothing can in fact precipitate an allergic reaction). We rarely say anything, we just move away and leave. Due to the change in policy, we'll add to our luggage small fans that we can use to keep the smoke away from us if we have smoking neighbors. We haven't had this problem in our balcony staterooms yet, but if we have a smoking neighbor, if we encountered that person, we would probably try to negotiate times of the day when they would be smoking on their balcony. Somehow we'll cope. Basically rules are in place. We avoid the areas where they smoke and we expect them to avoid polluting the non-smoking areas with smoke.

 

 

 

Leave the rules to the company. Complain, if you like, to the company. Yelling and screaming at each other is not constructive. You aren't likely to change anyone's mind. Just follow the rules for your side and leave them to theirs. Like I said, other passengers are not going to change the rules, only the cruise line can do so. So, make your complaints and arguments to them. The smoking debate has NOTHING to do with cruising, so take if off line if you must.

 

 

 

And this is coming from YOU?:eek: Geez Snoopy...talk about hypocricy!:rolleyes:

[BearySweet2Cruise]

HOLY CHRISTMAS!!!

Can you believe that approx. 31,500 people have viewed this thread.???.. That seems very incredible to me..I was not going to contribute but now I guess I will because when you think about the new policy, it is really just a slight improvement over how it has always been anyway.

 

Ex) one side of the ship (starboard) has always been designated as smoking side (nonsmokers should read and observe which side is smoking and which is not before they complain about smoking in the first place.)

NO FLAMES INTENDED HERE... JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT AND OBSERVATION

This thread reminds me of those playground games of "my side" "your side"

They would then know which side of the ship is "theirs" as opposed to "ours" So that is one area that will remain as is... That is like 900 + + feet of ship for starboard side.(going with smallest in fleet ) and even much more footage on starboard on the bigger ships

Since we are well behaved and polite smokers, we will acknowledge your presence,smile,and say hello, if a non-smoker just happens to end up on the wrong side of the ship:)

 

Next................

 

1) as a smoker, I personally do not and would not smoke in the cabin in the first place...That is almost exactly as locking your self in your walk in closet and smoke, smoke, smoke away... lack of ventalation. where would the smoke go, except all around you in the small confined space... which is now so smokey and hazy you probably couldn't see the doorknob :eek:

 

2)If someone smokes and books any catagory without a balcony, there are still many options within a very short walking distance to either go up a deck or down a deck and once again, outside on starboard with 900+ feet of ship:)

 

3) The casino will still remain the smokiest part of the ship (IMHO) and yes there are several non smoking areas in the casino, but with the sheer numbers of smoker's who are gambling, the casino is well infused with smoke throughout every night and into the wee hours.

 

4) one lounge will be designated as a" smoke free environment " which still leaves at least 2 or more lounges someplace on the ship.. Now as I see it, before the smoking policy changed all lounges were designated smoking with one half being nonsmoking (port side) just as it is nonsmoking on the outer decks port side. Non smokers will still have that same option if they want to visit a different lounge (just as it has been all along)

 

5)For those who DO smoke on the balcony, the only change I will have to be aware of is to keep the balcony door closed so that the room does not smell of smoke (which really has not been a huge problem anyways with whatever it is they use to clean the rooms) at turnaround to eliminate odors.. it works, and as for us smoker's PACK THE FREBEEZE and you are good to go :)

 

 

OK.... I will stop rambling now,it's just that I do not see what the big deal is, as designated and nondesignated areas have always been and will still remain, and nobody with any sense would even consider smoking in their cubicle sized stateroom in the first place. :eek: Would they???

 

so what does all this mean?

A) no smoking in the stateroom.. Ok no problem mon' go up a deck or down a deck... simple (starboard)

 

B) smoking on the balcony? Just be sure to close the door.. simple

 

c) Only one non -smoking lounge? (better hope it is NOT the one located just outside the entrance of the casino) ALL the lounges have always had and will still have designated sides for smokers and nonsmokers alike.

(1/2 and 1/2)

 

OK I 'm done....... Next!???

 

 

Have a wonderful day to all, I am going to go smoke now <GRIN> :)

[EMTgoneNUTZ]

"Which major hotel chains actually allow smoking anymore?"

 

 

Best Western, Comfort Inn, Super 8 - may not be high end, but they do allow smoking in NYC

 

As does Quality Inn...and before someone tries to tell me I'm wrong...you might want to check out the one on exit 63-A in Tifton, Georgia!:p

[DON M.]

And this is coming from YOU?:eek: Geez Snoopy...talk about hypocricy!:rolleyes:

I do think in all of his posts, Mr. Snoopy, has addressed the topic at hand.

[BearySweet2Cruise]

Well....since you brought it up...my lead based paint covered crib apparently didn't hurt me...:rolleyes:

 

And I don't think any of us that smoke are trying to convince you that it's "healthy",we're just saying that we enjoy our smoking just as you enjoy whatever things you enjoy, whether it's drinking, gambling, promiscuity, etc. We're all smart enough to know it's bad for us, but we also are paying for the same cruise you are and if we're out on our balcony smoking when we'd normally be in our cabin, and it's offending you, well just remember, YOU wanted it. As my folks told me growing up, be careful what you wish for, ya just might get it!;)

 

Agree +1

[pmshirl]

The whole world is Changing. Today in our local newspaper, there is an article that some employers are starting to make overweight employees pay if they don't slim down. A Hospital chain in Indiana (Clarian Health Partners) will start charging employees as much as $30.00 every 2 weeks unless they meet WEIGHT,CHOLESTEROL, AND BLOOD-PRESSURE guidlines, that the company deems HEALTHY!

Sorry to be off topic of this thread, maybe this will give you something else to work at!

[EMTgoneNUTZ]

Whatever happened to compromise.Some smokers want it 100% their way.That seems pretty unfair to me.Some non-smokers want it retricted to half the balconies.But no,some smokers want it their way,all the balconies .Whats wrong with compromise.For non-smokers who favor balconies this new policy ain't squat.No offense intended but non-smokers will continue to tryto get some of the balconies non-smokers and for the few of you who refuse to compromise or have trouble with this too bad.PERIOD p.s. don't wear anything toxic if you burst into flames

 

Compromise? Geez Jake, isn't that what I suggested in the early pages of this thread and YOU (and Snoopy) were the ones throwing ME the flames? Practice what you preach...PERIOD!:mad:

[Captain Jake]

Compromise? Geez Jake, isn't that what I suggested in the early pages of this thread and YOU (and Snoopy) were the ones throwing ME the flames? Practice what you preach...PERIOD!:mad:

 

YOU too Nutzy,How to you spell hypocrite? EM_______________Z:D

[Captain Jake]

I didn't take it as directed at me :) in fact I am not really on either side of this debate, just making observations as I see them. I am primarily a non-smoker but I do enjoy an occasional cigarette with my Baileys or glass of wine, sometimes on the balcony :o However I have noticed if you sit with your chair against the wall rather than hang over the rail while you smoke, no one in the other balconies even knows you are smoking. This was true at least on Deck 8 Aft with no balconies above me. Not sure if that method would work for everyone.

 

Now if someone could just tell me how to keep cigarettes from getting stale when they sit in the drawer for a month :confused:

 

My guess would be a baggie

[Captain Jake]

Well I, for one, hope they also ban your beloved Guiness, and all other alcohol, because honestly, the stench of it lingering on you and your breath, and the idiocy displayed by those who over-consume REALLY bothers me, not to mention when the ship has to go in circles in an attempt to rescue a drunks sorry bum!:rolleyes: :p

 

Nowhere the stench of cigs especially Marlboros

[vjmatty]

No offense but at 21 your son should be washing his own clothes (quote)

 

This statement is ridiculous. Like all of us haven't helped our kids out from time to time. My son was in college at 21 but when he came home he worked long hours, so throwing a load of wash in for him was no big deal. What a stupid statement.

 

Not nearly as stupid as getting one's panties in a bunch over a lighthearted statement which even had a ;) at the end to show it was not to be taken seriously. Lighten up :rolleyes:While we are ratng the quality of statements, I think the smartest comment so far is that all of this matters so much more on these threads than it seems to on the ship :)

[Captain Jake]

And this is coming from YOU?:eek: Geez Snoopy...talk about hypocricy!:rolleyes:

 

Talk about the pot calling the kettle.....................................:D

[bluejeans]

The whole world is Changing. Today in our local newspaper, there is an article that some employers are starting to make overweight employees pay if they don't slim down. A Hospital chain in Indiana (Clarian Health Partners) will start charging employees as much as $30.00 every 2 weeks unless they meet WEIGHT,CHOLESTEROL, AND BLOOD-PRESSURE guidlines, that the company deems HEALTHY!

Sorry to be off topic of this thread, maybe this will give you something else to work at!

 

My insurance company would be rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[nnzz]

On Princess they still sell cigarettes on board at the bars, do they sell single packages of cigarettes on RCCL?

[Captain Jake]

I think I'm going to write a letter to RCCL too....requiring that they steam clean the mattress and comforter, etc. prior to my arrival in my cabin, because I want the filthy, disgusting "stuff" left behind by the couple that was in there ahead of me gone:rolleyes:

 

Its only likely with heavy smokers in cabin

[EMTgoneNUTZ]

I know that people addicted to cigarettes need a place to smoke and I think that there should be special places for them to smoke onboard ...and I would suggest that the forward bilge area would be ideal;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, if people want to quibble over the "best" place to put us smokers so as to not offend the non smokers, the AFT BALCONIES would certainly be it! That way all our nasty, filthy, disgusting smoke would just whiff on out over the beautiful wake we'd all be admiring!;) :)

Honestly, I suggested the rear 1/3 be restricted to smoking cabins only simply for that reason. It's FACT that when a ship moves forward, odors, breeze, smoke, etc. move backward, so why not put all the nons on the forward balconies and save the best for us smokers who are being forced to smoke on our balconies rather than in our own room where there's noone there to inhale our smoke but us! Makes the most sense to me, but no matter how many times I tried to say it in the beginning of this thread, I was the one "flamed". Heaven forbid the nons have to give up their coveted aft balconies just because I have a vice that's bothersome/dangerous/harmful/annoying to them...:rolleyes:

[BearySweet2Cruise]

My guess would be a baggie

 

Actually you wanna put them in the freezer...:)

[Captain Jake]

I know that people addicted to cigarettes need a place to smoke and I think that there should be special places for them to smoke onboard ...and I would suggest that the forward bilge area would be ideal;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, if people want to quibble over the "best" place to put us smokers so as to not offend the non smokers, the AFT BALCONIES would certainly be it! That way all our nasty, filthy, disgusting smoke would just whiff on out over the beautiful wake we'd all be admiring!;) :)

 

Honestly, I suggested the rear 1/3 be restricted to smoking cabins only simply for that reason. It's FACT that when a ship moves forward, odors, breeze, smoke, etc. move backward, so why not put all the nons on the forward balconies and save the best for us smokers who are being forced to smoke on our balconies rather than in our own room where there's noone there to inhale our smoke but us! Makes the most sense to me, but no matter how many times I tried to say it in the beginning of this thread, I was the one "flamed". Heaven forbid the nons have to give up their coveted aft balconies just because I have a vice that's bothersome/dangerous/harmful/annoying to them...:rolleyes:

 

But honestly its quite selfish of you to demand the aft balconies due to your habit?You come accross as being quite self centered

[Mark_K]

HOLY CHRISTMAS!!!

Can you believe that approx. 31,500 people have viewed this thread.???.. That seems very incredible to me..I was not going to contribute but now I guess I will because when you think about the new policy, it is really just a slight improvement over how it has always been anyway.

With the possible exception of the lounge, I'd call it a net loss for the average, non-hyper sensitive, non-smoker like me. No smoking in cabins = more smoking not in cabins, so all it really means to me is more people smoking where I might run into them. Then add in the good chance that balcony & better staterooms will be more expensive and/or harder to get, it looks even worse.

[bluejeans]

The whole world is Changing. Today in our local newspaper, there is an article that some employers are starting to make overweight employees pay if they don't slim down. A Hospital chain in Indiana (Clarian Health Partners) will start charging employees as much as $30.00 every 2 weeks unless they meet WEIGHT,CHOLESTEROL, AND BLOOD-PRESSURE guidlines, that the company deems HEALTHY!

Sorry to be off topic of this thread, maybe this will give you something else to work at!

 

Off subject, but a good one at that.

I have many friends that are overweight, and they are a little concerned that the insurance companies, as they have done to smokers, are going to start commanding their lifestyle. I still don't think they care about us being healthy. You may hide smoking for a while, but you can't hide obesity..........our ins. co. comes into work once a year for blood work, cholesterol and bloodpressure, all to make sure we are on the right track to a healthy lifestyle....he!!!!!!:eek:

[pmshirl]

Looks like the non-smokers can spend 90 % of their time in their (Healthy) room and 10% in the dining room, sounds like the BEST place for non-smokers. If you visit a Port, you may be in front, behind, or aside of a smoke, so STAY CLEAR OF THE PORTS!

[bluejeans]

Looks like the non-smokers can spend 90 % of their time in their (Healthy) room and 10% in the dining room, sounds like the BEST place for non-smokers. If you visit a Port, you may be in front, behind, or aside of a smoke, so STAY CLEAR OF THE PORTS!

 

I like your attitude!!!!!:)

[berwyn]

Oh dear a smoker with attitude ! :eek:

 

Look out, the cunard guy is back.

[EMTgoneNUTZ]

In my humble opinion everyone who states that smokers are cruel heartless people for imposing their smoke on others and thereby contributing to horrible deaths from lung disease are hypocrits if they drive any type of vehicle that emits toxic fumes into the air. It is a proven fact that vehicle imissions cause lung cancer and other horrible lung diseases. You can state all you want that driving is a neccessity and that smoking isn't but the bottom line is that all drivers are contributing to lung cancer. You can also state that the government and companies are doing things to improve emmisions but the fact remains that you too are causing lung disease. So I really think people should get off their high horse and look at what they are doing to others health.

 

I don't know how many other states this is true in, but for those of you who don't live in Michigan, did you know that regular vehicle emissions testing is NOT a requirement here? I know in some states you have to have a paper stating your car passed emissions testing before obtaining proper registration. I realize this is off topic, but wanted to throw it out there since it has been brought up numerous times throughout these several threads that have been meged into one...