Piano Bars - All Smoking?

[Kurbanfan]

second hand smoke hurts no one. Maybe it smells a little, but it is harmless. Now obesity is another thing.

 

roflmao!!!!

[pnjkeith]

roflmao!!!!

 

me too! Hey nice car pic. I have a mustang, love to race them vettes!

[Cigar Dude]

Congratulations, this is "smoking thread" number 10,493! :D

[beach410]

All the piano bars I've been in have permitted smoking. Some had smoking sections' date=' some didn't.

 

There are plenty of lounges onboard where smoking is not permitted...no need to mess with the piano bar or any other smoking venue.

 

No, there is no need for smoking/nonsmoking alternating......[/quote']

 

 

I disagree, if you enjoy the sing along in a piano bar, but cant take the smoke, without the alternating, you cant enjoy the piano bar. I used to really enjoy the piano bar when I was a smoker, this last cruise we lasted about an hour, as soon as it started picking up we had to leave, we couldnt take the smell and found it difficult to breath and the smokers were all on the other side of the room. :(

[Azure Moon]

Day 5 on the nicotine patch! Can't wait to really smell the ship!!!!

 

:cool: Congratulations!

I'm sure you won't believe this now :D, but you're through the hardest part.

[dbogusch]

Second hand smoke hurts no one. Maybe it smells a little, but it is harmless. Now obesity is another thing.

 

Wow. lol

[G'ma]

You must not be cruising with the right crowd...on the Destiny the place was packed every night, and there was more than 2 drink servers working the room. :D

 

I agree.....every piano bar I've ever been in (a favorite activity for me) on every Carnival ship, the place is packed.....and it's always way after 1am before the crowd starts thinning out.

 

The joint reallly gets jumping around 11pm or so.

[trock]

Good luck with that! I smoked for over 30 years and thought the only way I would ever stop was if I were 6 feet under!

 

Did you quit? and how? :)

[falkcor]

Once again I doubt this. I have been on 7 Carnival Cruises, and visit the Piano bar nightly, and never see a "money making" crowd that will make or break Carnival's bank account. At the most on the Liberty two years ago, there were 35 people in there. The Disco and the Karoke bar had 5 times that amount when they were up and running.

I agree with kelz and g’ma above…

You must not be cruising with the right crowd...on the Destiny the place was packed every night, and there was more than 2 drink servers working the room.

I agree.....every piano bar I've ever been in (a favorite activity for me) on every Carnival ship' date=' the place is packed.....and it's always way after 1am before the crowd starts thinning out.[/quote']

I show up after late dinner seating with my group of friends / family, and stay until the place shuts down… In fact, on my last cruise we figured out that we could get the piano man to play even after drink service was suspended (some time around 1, I can’t recall exactly)… They said ‘last call’, and I obliged :D:

 

 

So let’s see… I reckon’ that’s about 72.00 worth of drinks, 11.00 standard tip, and another 5.00 ‘extra’ tip (I tip every round) = 88.00… And that’s ONE ROUND (for two people!), at the end of the night… And when those were done… I walked across the hall to the disco for more drinks! Carnival’s getting their money out of the piano bar… :cool: Including about 70% of my S&S bills :(

 

Suffice it to say, if the piano bar were non-smoking, my group and our several hundred $ of revenue each night wouldn’t have stuck around…

 

Look – if Carnival keeps restricting the smoking-allowed venues (there’s not a heck of a lot of them as it IS), then what’s left for smokers to do? Be forced into their cabins (where they CAN smoke, and no, please let’s not start that one) to drink smuggled alcohol? It’s counterintuitive from a business standpoint. :confused:

 

PS - see how many tips the piano man has? Drunk people having fun, free of inhibitions and excessive rules and regulation are generous, and spend money. lots of money.

[jessemon]

You must not be cruising with the right crowd...on the Destiny the place was packed every night, and there was more than 2 drink servers working the room. :D

Yes there were and I am not going to say how much money I spent in there that cruise.....:eek::eek::eek:

[cccer]

Falkor,

I wanna party with you. You have the right plan there. Of course we would have to split our time between the piano bar and the casino, but think of our fuzzy memories.

[sailor44]

Did you quit? and how? :)

 

The patch worked for me - well not the first time because I was ripping it off and smoking and then putting it back later :rolleyes:.

 

The second time was a charm though. Hang in there - it gets much easier!

[sailor44]

 

 

Look – if Carnival keeps restricting the smoking-allowed venues (there’s not a heck of a lot of them as it IS), then what’s left for smokers to do?

 

You set yourself up for this - quit smoking. Just think of what you could do with the extra money - another cruise or two extra per year?

 

Be forced into their cabins (where they CAN smoke, and no, please let’s not start that one) to drink smuggled alcohol? It’s counterintuitive from a business standpoint. :confused:

 

PS - see how many tips the piano man has? Drunk people having fun, free of inhibitions and excessive rules and regulation are generous, and spend money. lots of money.

 

It's not only smokers who drink a lot and get drunk and have fun and tip well and spend lots of money.

[falkcor]

Falkor,

I wanna party with you. You have the right plan there. Of course we would have to split our time between the piano bar and the casino, but think of our fuzzy memories.

 

What can I say? That's how I roll :cool:

You'd be welcome to tag along! (i'm planning conquest late august / early september, btw hehe)

Seriously though, those standard cocktail glasses are tiny - maybe 8 oz or so? Even with what I considered superior service (I credit tipping every round), those bar waitresses work their tails off in the piano bar - back to the point of the piano bar making money.

I and my party (and that includes the 10s of random people we met and had fun with) would always order at least 2 at a time, and the 'big glass' (you can see one screw driver / orange is bigger than the others on the left)... It makes up for bar waitress round-trip delays...

I might come along to the casino for a while, but you'd be on your own there before too long - I'll point out that even the casino bar save a few stools is non-smoking... (which doesn't make any sense to me, btw). Fuzzy memories...

[jessemon]

It's not only smokers who drink a lot and get drunk and have fun and tip well and spend lots of money.

You might want to talk to Carnival about why they changed the Carnival Paradise from nonsmoking to smoking......:rolleyes::D;)

[G'ma]

I disagree, if you enjoy the sing along in a piano bar, but cant take the smoke, without the alternating, you cant enjoy the piano bar. I used to really enjoy the piano bar when I was a smoker, this last cruise we lasted about an hour, as soon as it started picking up we had to leave, we couldnt take the smell and found it difficult to breath and the smokers were all on the other side of the room. :(

 

Well, on the other side of the coin, one of my traveling companions always enjoyed a cigarette with his after-dinner espresso in the dining room.....

 

It's called compromise.

 

There are ships where smoking is severly restricted or prohibited.... Try one, you might enjoy it.

[falkcor]

(quoted from sailor44 comments within reply to my post above) "You set yourself up for this - quit smoking. Just think of what you could do with the extra money - another cruise or two extra per year?"

 

It's not only smokers who drink a lot and get drunk and have fun and tip well and spend lots of money.

 

Alright, let me just preface that I've never really gotten into one of these smoking thread tiffs... I've avoided them as they most often prove pointless. This one will in a few days, no doubt.

I jumped into this one based on a specific observation and assertion per my understanding of customers, sales, revenue and profit. In this narrative, I have been consistent in addressing this aspect of the reality...

i would also interject that per my observation, those limited venues available for smoking, also seem to correspond to those areas which have a higher than typical volume for alcohol sales. people who don't even often smoke, while drinking, are more inclined to - especially while on vacation and free of inhibitions. piano bar, sports bar, disco, casino. but even in the casino, most of the bar (save 5 seats or so) are smoke free...

 

 

...i think people in the piano bar, especially if they're really into it, are likely to buy a heck of a lot more drinks than those at afternoon tea (non-smoking, btw) as an example...

And I stand by that assertion... Actually, you can find bits and pieces of it in everything I've said today. Consistent.

You've been consistent too. You said you didn't agree with that post. Maybe I should have responded, but again, I didn't want to jump into this... But I still don't agree with you. And we're both entitled to that opinion.

You, however, and anybody else that were to employ the same reasoning, are out of line in my opinion. You pre-suppose that I am a smoker, when all I have referenced is my party. There are several smokers among them. Regardless, I take into account my party's personal comfort as well as my own - and if they're not comfortable, neither am I. Say I'm planning a cruise for a group of at least 30? You're not in a position to assess my considerations.

And to suggest that I consider my own personal finances based upon your own presupposition... What if I wouldn't need extra money to be able to cruise 1x or 2x 'more' per year? No, for that, I'd need a less demanding job without as much responsibility. And / Or shorter cruises out of Galveston on Destiny->Forward class ships... Again, none of your business.

I'm not saying smokers are the only ones that drink or spend money. I was pointing out, though, that there are limited venues for this demographic of cruisers (that does exist, whether you like it or not - get used to it), and that by further limiting their options would curtail related revenue. It makes it harder to plan a cruise for groups, too.

My observation. And I followed up with a pic and my own justification of that observation. Don't judge me, for that.

THERE you have it (everybody and forever). That's my response to every subsequent smoking thread. :p

[falkcor]

Well' date=' on the other side of the coin, one of my traveling companions always enjoyed a cigarette with his after-dinner espresso in the dining room.....

 

It's called compromise.

 

There are ships where smoking is severly restricted or prohibited.... Try one, you might enjoy it.[/quote']

 

Amen.

[falkcor]

It's not only smokers who drink a lot and get drunk and have fun and tip well and spend lots of money.

You might want to talk to Carnival about why they changed the Carnival Paradise from nonsmoking to smoking......:rolleyes::D;)

I said that too! On page 2!

i've also noticed karaoke, the main shows, atrium, dining rooms, promenade, etc. are all smoke free so it's not as if there's a lack of alternate options...

 

the vast majority of the ship is non-smoking. if you'd like to alternate days on the vast majority of the ship, then maybe it'd be an equitable trade. but otherwise, what more can really be expected... there's a reason the smoke-free paradise was a flop.

 

from wikipedia (and granted, not cited, but i believe it to be true):

 

'Non-smoking rules were strictly enforced. No smoking materials of any kind were permitted aboard. If anything was seen or found, the passenger was fined $250 and put off at the next port (transportation home to be provided at passenger's own expense). Due to poor revenue, Carnival decided to discontinue the smoke-free ship in December 2003 because non-smokers tend to not drink or gamble as much as those accustomed to smoke'

there's that great minds thing... again... :cool:

[dbogusch]

You might want to talk to Carnival about why they changed the Carnival Paradise from nonsmoking to smoking......:rolleyes::D;)[/quote

 

Carnival changed because they were the only ones and there was no selection other than one ship so it wasn't successful. However, I read an article last week that the World Health Organization is putting together a conference with all cruise lines to come to an agreement to severely restrict and/or ban smoking on ALL cruises. If all of the cruise lines agree then it won't be a loss of money for any of them. The WHO says they don't expect it to happen for a few years but they DO expect it happen just as it has in many states and cities around the world.

[jessemon]

You might want to talk to Carnival about why they changed the Carnival Paradise from nonsmoking to smoking......:rolleyes::D;)[/quote

 

Carnival changed because they were the only ones and there was no selection other than one ship so it wasn't successful. However, I read an article last week that the World Health Organization is putting together a conference with all cruise lines to come to an agreement to severely restrict and/or ban smoking on ALL cruises. If all of the cruise lines agree then it won't be a loss of money for any of them. The WHO says they don't expect it to happen for a few years but they DO expect it happen just as it has in many states and cities around the world.

There are many ships out there that are smoke free except on a small part of the deck.

The reason even though the ship sailed full that it was changed to smoking is they made little onboard revenue......;);)

Please try sailing one of those lines.

By the way...It doesn't make a difference what the WHO thinks. If they want to do something really constructive let them go to Africa and help all the people starving there and dying of AIDS......

I have a choice to cruise the lines I want and if I don't want to cruise a line because of something I don't like that they do...then I don't cruise them.....

Most other people should try this instead of whining because they don't want to spend the extra money to cruise there.....If more people who don't like smoking would go to these other lines the prices would come down......;)

[CarnivalCruiseLover]

You might want to talk to Carnival about why they changed the Carnival Paradise from nonsmoking to smoking......:rolleyes::D;)[/quote

 

Carnival changed because they were the only ones and there was no selection other than one ship so it wasn't successful. However, I read an article last week that the World Health Organization is putting together a conference with all cruise lines to come to an agreement to severely restrict and/or ban smoking on ALL cruises. If all of the cruise lines agree then it won't be a loss of money for any of them. The WHO says they don't expect it to happen for a few years but they DO expect it happen just as it has in many states and cities around the world.

 

That is absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life! I work for the government, and I am constantly updated on changes like this, and have NEVER heard this. OSHA has not even ruled on second hand smoke, and if OSHA doesn't recognize it, then I am quite sure WHO isn't touching it with a ten foot pole. Besides, Cruise lines are not going to

Voluntarily ban smoking, or restricting it down to next to nothing. Smoking is still legal, a legal product, so quit whining about it. Stay off cruises if the smoke is so bad.

[sailor44]

Alright, let me just preface that I've never really gotten into one of these smoking thread tiffs... I've avoided them as they most often prove pointless. This one will in a few days, no doubt.

 

 

Light(en) up! It was a joke - My bad I forgot the smilies?

[kelz66]

Yes there were and I am not going to say how much money I spent in there that cruise.....:eek::eek::eek:

 

Can we all take a guess?

 

:p

[sailor44]

Don't you think that every guest should be able to enjoy everything that the cruise has to offer, including the Piano Bar experience, without having to expose themselves to something that has been proven to be detrimental to one's health?

 

I'm still waiting for a reasonable response to this. Please keep in mind that comparing the health risks involved with 2nd hand eating and 2nd hand drinking don't really cut it in my book.

 

No one will successfully argue that 2nd hand smoke is not hazardous to one's health.

 

I also don't think that the piano bar should be smoke free. I think that a few smoke free evenings would be the way to go. This way everybody gets to enjoy it and if either smokers or non-smokers want to suffer (yes, smokers suffer in non-smoking venues because there's nothing worse than not being able to smoke when you want/need to) they can go any night. Whether this is something that can or will occur I don't know.

 

I would be quite pleased with improved ventilation, but that would be too much (I think) of a major modification even if it were doable.

 

I realize how frustrating it is for smokers whose "smoking rights" keep dwindling and dwindling. I'm afraid that they will continue to do so as time progresses.

 

Don't you think that every guest should be able to enjoy everything that the cruise has to offer, including the Piano Bar experience, without having to expose themselves to something that has been proven to be detrimental to one's health?