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[MrCo9]

Would it be a good idea to keep your comes working and hop the red? Thanks!

One or the other is the way I'd do it. Either work the odds (The Come Bets are ALWAYS working) or hop the Sevens with just enough to replace your come bets. The 7 with a 16.66% house advantage is not a real good idea. What I have seen some players do is make both Come bets and Don't Come bets and take or lay the odds. Then other than when the 12 rolls whether you are taking odds or laying them the odds are truly "Free odds" for you.

[Casino Player]

One or the other is the way I'd do it. Either work the odds (The Come Bets are ALWAYS working) or hop the Sevens with just enough to replace your come bets. The 7 with a 16.66% house advantage is not a real good idea. What I have seen some players do is make both Come bets and Don't Come bets and take or lay the odds. Then other than when the 12 rolls whether you are taking odds or laying them the odds are truly "Free odds" for you.

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO MrCo9: I used to play that way with Come and Don't Come bets working all the time. It wasn't a bad way to play, but, casinos often put heat on players that played that way.

That is the Doey-Don't game and was first pioneered by The Captain, the worlds greatest craps player.

[Deckhawk]

Random question - Can you make lay bets not work for a few rolls (as you can with place bets)? On the last cruise I had a bunch of numbers placed and my friends came to the table to talk. I asked them to make the bets not working for a few rolls while I talked but they told me that I needed to take everything down until I was ready again. Is this correct?

 

I've seen a few "weird" rules on cruise ships. For example, I was told on RCCL that I wasn't allowed to pass the dice mid roll unless I took off my DP bet. Which also seemed a bit suspect...

[MrCo9]

Random question - Can you make lay bets not work for a few rolls (as you can with place bets)? On the last cruise I had a bunch of numbers placed and my friends came to the table to talk. I asked them to make the bets not working for a few rolls while I talked but they told me that I needed to take everything down until I was ready again. Is this correct?

 

I've seen a few "weird" rules on cruise ships. For example, I was told on RCCL that I wasn't allowed to pass the dice mid roll unless I took off my DP bet. Which also seemed a bit suspect...

The dealers were correct. "Right side" bets can be turned off, wrong side bets can not be turned off. Were you using some sort of mind control on the dice? Is that why you wanted to turn them off while you talked with someone else? The dealers could have saved any possible winnings for you until your full attention was returned to the game.

[grod19]

The dealers were correct. "Right side" bets can be turned off, wrong side bets can not be turned off. Were you using some sort of mind control on the dice? Is that why you wanted to turn them off while you talked with someone else? The dealers could have saved any possible winnings for you until your full attention was returned to the game.

 

I can understand him not wanting his bets working while he was distracted. We have all commented about dealers onboard that miss a payout or mess up a payout etc. so turning off your bets while distracted isn't a bad idea. Not to mention wanting to give his friends his full attention for a few moments.

[cruzincurt]

I have also been on one RCCL cruise where they would not allow you to "set" the dice.:rolleyes::confused::eek:

[FishonEd]

Question.

What exactally does 20x odds mean? A $5 pass line bet means you can put up to $100 on the odds? What is the pay off?

ed

[btyko]

Question.

What exactally does 20x odds mean? A $5 pass line bet means you can put up to $100 on the odds? What is the pay off?

ed

 

The odds bets are always paid as "true" odds as follows:

4 or 10 $100 pays $200

5 or 9 $100 pays $150

6 or 8 $100 odds pays $120

[FishonEd]

The odds bets are always paid as "true" odds as follows:

4 or 10 $100 pays $200

5 or 9 $100 pays $150

6 or 8 $100 odds pays $120

 

Thank you.

One more question. 20X means I can bet any amount $20 ,$45 $70 up to $100 correct?

 

ed :D

[btyko]

Thank you.

One more question. 20X means I can bet any amount $20 ,$45 $70 up to $100 correct?

 

ed :D

 

I belive that the odds must be at least the table minimum, but other than that you are correct.

 

Example: the table minimum is $10.00. Maximum odds allowed is 20X. You put $10.00 on the pass line. You cannot take $5.00 odds, but you can take odds from $10.00 up to $200.00. They will tell you if the point is 5 or 9, your odds should be for an even amount, but that is not a requirement (although it is adviseable).

[CPOCMAN]

I always wondered (and dreamed <smile>), if I was able to make the table maxes on a cruise ship - as an example, had 800 outside and 210 on the 6 with a point of 8 on a table with a table max of 200. Would I then be able to make a come bet of say, 50 bucks and back with 100 odds, which would make the total that I've bet on a number more than the table max. Is this something that the cruise line would allow or does it depend on the cruise? I'll be going on Princess next month.

 

I've only had one situation where I've built my place bets where all the numbers were over 200 but the table max was 1K in Vegas. I'm hoping to build my bets to the max but I want to find a way to extend my bet amounts higher in case a once in a life time streak happens and I'm on the ship since limits are so law. Thanks again for your help.

[Deckhawk]

I always wondered (and dreamed <smile>), if I was able to make the table maxes on a cruise ship - as an example, had 800 outside and 210 on the 6 with a point of 8 on a table with a table max of 200. Would I then be able to make a come bet of say, 50 bucks and back with 100 odds, which would make the total that I've bet on a number more than the table max. Is this something that the cruise line would allow or does it depend on the cruise? I'll be going on Princess next month.

 

I've only had one situation where I've built my place bets where all the numbers were over 200 but the table max was 1K in Vegas. I'm hoping to build my bets to the max but I want to find a way to extend my bet amounts higher in case a once in a life time streak happens and I'm on the ship since limits are so law. Thanks again for your help.

 

I know on the dark side it wasn't a problem. Had a point of 10 with a DC bet of 200 with 400 odds and a 400 lay bet behind it. I don't think it would be an issue for a right betters either...

[cruzincurt]

My observation of the craps dealers on cruises is that many are newbies just learning the game themselves. I've been present when some have been removed from a busy table as they couldn't keep up with the action. They are used to simple bets with most players only betting the PASS line or a couple of numbers. Once in a while I've encountered some that are really sharp. Bottom line, you have to watch your bets and your payoffs. I have to watch very closely if I have a couple of COME bets in action.

[Deckhawk]

My observation of the craps dealers on cruises is that many are newbies just learning the game themselves. I've been present when some have been removed from a busy table as they couldn't keep up with the action. They are used to simple bets with most players only betting the PASS line or a couple of numbers. Once in a while I've encountered some that are really sharp. Bottom line, you have to watch your bets and your payoffs. I have to watch very closely if I have a couple of COME bets in action.

 

Completely agree. This is why I always make sure that I am 100% into the game (to MrCo's comment before about me turning wanting to turn bets 'off'). The good thing is that new dealers, esp ones that aren't used to players playing the dark side normally make mistakes in the player's favor. I've been paid 100% on lay bets several times by cruise ship dealers. I just take the money quickly and make sure I send out a bunch of tips for the crew...

[MrCo9]

My observation of the craps dealers on cruises is that many are newbies just learning the game themselves. I've been present when some have been removed from a busy table as they couldn't keep up with the action. They are used to simple bets with most players only betting the PASS line or a couple of numbers. Once in a while I've encountered some that are really sharp. Bottom line, you have to watch your bets and your payoffs. I have to watch very closely if I have a couple of COME bets in action.

I agree with you here. If I come up to a dead table, I'll play the dark side for the first few points and then switch to the right side. I did this on a Carnival cruise, starting off with $25 on the Don't Pass, missed my point and let my bet ride, missed again and then let the $100 make it's way to the Pass Line. When I rolled a Winner 7, the dealer took instead of paying my bet. When I said I was on the Pass Line, dealer's response was "No, you ALWAYS play the Don't Pass", Hmm, 2 times and he thinks I ALWAYS play the Don't Pass. Spoke with the supervisor and a quick review of the tape and I got my $200.

[cruzincurt]

That's another good reason that I stay consistent with my betting. The sharp dealers learn your method and will even remind you if your forget to place a COME bet for example. And they get into a rhythm with you.

[MrCo9]

That's another good reason that I stay consistent with my betting. The sharp dealers learn your method and will even remind you if your forget to place a COME bet for example. And they get into a rhythm with you.

Us sharp players know that it's the flexible player that's going to win more $$. Always play the same way and you're more likely to LOSE.

[cruzincurt]

Does "flexible" mean you play hunches?

[MrCo9]

Does "flexible" mean you play hunches?

You betcha, rub my lucky rabbit's foot and bet whatever my troll doll tells me to bet. :rolleyes:

[grod19]

I agree with you here. If I come up to a dead table, I'll play the dark side for the first few points and then switch to the right side. I did this on a Carnival cruise, starting off with $25 on the Don't Pass, missed my point and let my bet ride, missed again and then let the $100 make it's way to the Pass Line. When I rolled a Winner 7, the dealer took instead of paying my bet. When I said I was on the Pass Line, dealer's response was "No, you ALWAYS play the Don't Pass", Hmm, 2 times and he thinks I ALWAYS play the Don't Pass. Spoke with the supervisor and a quick review of the tape and I got my $200.

 

If the table is dead and you are the only one there why not announce your change? Let the dealer know you are going right side so there is no confusion. ( i am aware the placement of your bet should give it away)

[Deckhawk]

If the table is dead and you are the only one there why not announce your change? Let the dealer know you are going right side so there is no confusion. ( i am aware the placement of your bet should give it away)

 

This might be the one time side with him - but I'm going to do it: He shouldn't have to annouce his bet change. The dealers should be on top of their game. Craps is "under taught" on cruise ships and if the dealers make mistakes, it's the casino's fault for not educating them.

 

I was recently on a player's cruise where everyone's cruise was comped and the dealers they had at the craps table were beginners. Every mistake they made in their favor I yelled...everyone they made in mine I was smiling like a butcher's dog...

[MrCo9]

If the table is dead and you are the only one there why not announce your change? Let the dealer know you are going right side so there is no confusion. ( i am aware the placement of your bet should give it away)

You're absolutely right. What I should have done was left my bet on the Don't pass, but say "I'm betting $100 on the Pass Line" that way I can not lose. Even though my chips would be on the Don't Pass, I announced that I was betting the pass line and the dealers would have to pay me no matter which way the dice rolled.

 

Sorry, but after 12 years as a dice dealer and supervisor I go by one rule and one rule ONLY. "The chips play as they lay."

[AndyTheK]

You're absolutely right. What I should have done was left my bet on the Don't pass, but say "I'm betting $100 on the Pass Line" that way I can not lose. Even though my chips would be on the Don't Pass, I announced that I was betting the pass line and the dealers would have to pay me no matter which way the dice rolled.

 

Sorry, but after 12 years as a dice dealer and supervisor I go by one rule and one rule ONLY. "The chips play as they lay."

Can't do what you suggested (I know you are joking). That's why "No Call Bets" is printed on the layout. And if the dealer had said "That's a bet" and didn't check to see that the bet was IN FACT put down, he should be fired.

[cruzincurt]

Can't do what you suggested (I know you are joking). That's why "No Call Bets" is printed on the layout. And if the dealer had said "That's a bet" and didn't check to see that the bet was IN FACT put down, he should be fired.

I see and hear it all the time, the flexible players yelling out their midnights, yo's, horn's and hardways.:rolleyes::D

[MrCo9]

I don't think Andy knows what a call bet. The definition of a call bet (From a casino worker's stanpoint) is a bet called out when no chips or cash is visible.

 

They can be used to take a shot: "I want 5 on the Pass Line" "You have 5 on the Pass Line, bet" 7 rolls on the Come Out and the player pulls out 5 $100 bills from left side pants pocket and claims they had $500. 2 rolls and a $5 bill comes out of the right side pants pocket.

 

Or person has $100 bill in hand "I want $80 red, $20 white" 7 rolls and player claims they had $80 on Big Red AKA the 7.