Any good news about the Veendam

[innlady1]

If this is all true, it sounds like a big "oops." Wonder if it will be corrected during the next dry dock?

 

The Veendam is scheduled for the NYC to Bermuda run. That should prove interesting in what can be rough seas.

[jtl513]

Wonder if it will be corrected during the next dry dock?

First let's see if they change the design any for the Rotterdam.

[wander]

Does the water in the shallow pool actually slosh out any more in rough seas or sharp turns than water in a deeper pool? It seems to me that the Lido is awash in moving water on rough days.

 

If yes, can anyone explain to me the actual physics of why this happens? (Not guesses, but actually know the explanation in physical science terms.)

 

As an old science teacher, it seems to me that the determining factor is the space between the water level and the walls of the pool rather than the depth of the pool. But then I stopped teaching Physics over 35 yrs ago and I have forgotten many of the details.

[herb]

What I've noticed when the seas are rough, some of the water in the pools is drained, so that it will take quite a bit for the water to actually come out of the pool. With the Retreat being so shallow to begin with, when you take "some" of the water out, I guess that leaves you with "none" ;)

 

I'll be interested in hearing reviews once the Veendam is done with Alaska and people are interested in cooling off in the pool(s)...

[RevNeal]

:confused: Marine architects, presumably, would be aware of the differences.... No?

 

One would think so, Judy ... but, apparently, the design was based upon, and justified by, the popularity of such water features at land-based resorts. I suspect they used a land-based resort design without thinking about the nautical ramifications. It wouldn't be the first time that someone in Seattle took a stupid-pill (I know, they don't like it when i say that, but I just can't figure out any other way to put it).

[RevNeal]

Does the water in the shallow pool actually slosh out any more in rough seas or sharp turns than water in a deeper pool? It seems to me that the Lido is awash in moving water on rough days.

 

I think the principle problem is that we're not talking about heavy seas ... we're talking about the water sloshing out when the captain gently turns the ship or brings her, slowly, to a stop. In heavy seas I would imagine they'll drain the thing and lash down or remove the lounges.

 

I've been on Damships in heavy seas where the water in the midships lido-deck pool is shooting up and spashing against the glass of the magradome.

[Tamaracboy]

I think the principle problem is that we're not talking about heavy seas ... we're talking about the water sloshing out when the captain gently turns the ship or brings her, slowly, to a stop. In heavy seas I would imagine they'll drain the thing and lash down or remove the lounges.

 

I've been on Damships in heavy seas where the water in the midships lido-deck pool is shooting up and spashing against the glass of the magradome.

 

Rev,

 

Did they try to sell that as a new "Water Feature" a la RCCL ? :confused:

Were there surfboards available. :rolleyes:

What height were those seas ?

I enjoy a little Rock and Roll, but that seems extreme. :cool:

 

r.

[RuthC]

I've been on Damships in heavy seas where the water in the midships lido-deck pool is shooting up and spashing against the glass of the magradome.

Wheeeeee!!! :D

I've been in the pool when it was sloshing around pretty good (not up to the magradome, though). It was fun! Then they made me get out of the pool. :(

[topspot]

First a little clarification on some terms: a Marine Architect designs structures associated with shipping (i.e. harbors, terminals, marinas, etc.), not actual ship design. A Naval Architect is one that is responsible for the design of ships (not just for the military).

If the “pool” portion of the Retreat is as sensitive to minor ship movements as has been described in various threads, then whoever is responsible for the design, testing, and signoff/approval needs to be fired. If that design work was performed by an outside firm then HAL needs to rethink using that firm for future ship design work.

[RevNeal]

First a little clarification on some terms: a Marine Architect designs structures associated with shipping (i.e. harbors, terminals, marinas, etc.), not actual ship design. A Naval Architect is one that is responsible for the design of ships (not just for the military).

 

Thanks for the correction of our nomenclature! Tis always proper to be proper!

 

If the “pool” portion of the Retreat is as sensitive to minor ship movements as has been described in various threads, then whoever is responsible for the design, testing, and signoff/approval needs to be fired. If that design work was performed by an outside firm then HAL needs to rethink using that firm for future ship design work.

 

Amen!

Can I make suggestion for other executive-types that need to be added to the "termination cue" ??

[RevNeal]

Rev,

 

Did they try to sell that as a new "Water Feature" a la RCCL ? :confused:

Were there surfboards available. :rolleyes:

What height were those seas ?

I enjoy a little Rock and Roll, but that seems extreme. :cool:

 

r.

 

As for the seas ... that was aboard the Rotterdam heading to Antarctica in January 2008. We were undergoing hurricane force winds, the seas were at 45 feet and the ship was experiencing a sustained 20-25 degree list to port with surges to 30 degrees. We were slamming so hard that water was splashing the crows nest, and each time the aft came out of the water her screws would send spray spiraling outward. As Ruth says ... wheeeeeeee! It was a lot of fun. Nevertheless, I would have preferred getting into Stanley rather than having to skip the Falklands.

[RevNeal]

Wheeeeee!!! :D

I've been in the pool when it was sloshing around pretty good (not up to the magradome, though). It was fun! Then they made me get out of the pool. :(

 

Ruth, you are SUCH a delight!

October 31 can't come soon enough!

[Tamaracboy]

As for the seas ... that was aboard the Rotterdam heading to Antarctica in January 2008. We were undergoing hurricane force winds, the seas were at 45 feet and the ship was experiencing a sustained 20-25 degree list to port with surges to 30 degrees. We were slamming so hard that water was splashing the crows nest, and each time the aft came out of the water her screws would send spray spiraling outward. As Ruth says ... wheeeeeeee! It was a lot of fun. Nevertheless, I would have preferred getting into Stanley rather than having to skip the Falklands.

 

Rev,

 

Thanks, sounds like they were lucky the Falklands themselves didn't wash away.

And, just what were you doing out and about with a 25 degree list and the props out of the water ? Watching Ruth swim ??

The Captain was probably wearing a seat belt !

Bet there were some real creaks and groans coming from the old girl ? ?

 

r.

PS: Ruth IS fun and I must arrange to meet both of you onboard some DAM ship (will bring chocolates) ;)

[RevNeal]

And, just what were you doing out and about with a 25 degree list and the props out of the water ? Watching Ruth swim ??

The Captain was probably wearing a seat belt !

Bet there were some real creaks and groans coming from the old girl ? ?

 

r.

PS: Ruth IS fun and I must arrange to meet both of you onboard some DAM ship (will bring chocolates) ;)

 

Oh, it was great fun. I enjoy all the motion ... it's like being on an amusement park ride. I spent of the day in the Crows Nest, watching the sights, and in the Lido. I wandered the ship a bit, but I had to be careful with the seas so high.

 

Of course, nobody went outside. Indeed, the external doors were locked shut.

 

Ruth, several other CCers, and i will be aboard the Rotterdam this November for the crossing from Rome to Fort Lauderdale. We board on October 31 for 18 wonderful days. Wanna join us? The ship isn't sold out yet and the prices are nice. They have cabins available from 1,399.00 per-person.

[RuthC]

Bet there were some real creaks and groans coming from the old girl ? ?

Er, just to clarify. By "old girl" you meant the Rotterdam, right? ;)

[bepsf]

Amen!

Can I make suggestion for other executive-types that need to be added to the "termination cue" ??

 

Careful Greg - You've obviously been hanging around me too long!

;)

[alderaniandad]

On our Alaska run in May the Retreat wading pool and hot tub were filled and in use for the last 5 days of the trip. The hottub saw lots of use. The sloshing problem occurred during slight turns and when the ship took broadside to quartering swells causing a gentle rocking motion. The shallow pool is divided into three sections with baffles in between to slow water movement but is not enough to prevent the rush of water running from one side to the other during the roll of the ship (baffles too large). The water leaves the pool at the rear quarter of both sides but seemed more pronounced at the port side. For us, it was interesting to watch and the rushing sounds of the water was like being at the beach. If you are wearing proper shoes no problem slipping --- but deadly consequences with leather soles on a wet teak deck --- just like ice.

[RuthC]

If you are wearing proper shoes no problem slipping --- but deadly consequences with leather soles on a wet teak deck --- just like ice.

"Deadly". Ah! There's the operative word. Is it going to take a terrible accident---possibly resulting in the death of someone---before steps are taken to eliminate the danger?

 

I wear rubber soled shoes, yet I am terrified walking by the Lido pool when it sloshes across the deck. At least I can anticipate that, and use a different deck to go where I'm going!

To be relaxing aft, and have water spill over with the slightest movement, is a recipe for disaster.

[herb]

I've seen people fall near the pools on ALL the ships I've been on due to them either walking quickly or not wearing proper footwear. Le'ts not blame this on the Retreat...

 

and I can just imagine how certain people will just jump for joy at this new found way of getting a chance to SUE if they should fall.

 

One thing I'm still curious about...so far I haven't heard anyone complaining that their inside cabin was flooded due to the Retreat. Now that's something to get upset about ;) Now I know for sure which cabins NOT to book... :)

[RuthC]

I've seen people fall near the pools on ALL the ships I've been on due to them either walking quickly or not wearing proper footwear. Le'ts not blame this on the Retreat...

It does appear, though, that The Retreat improves the chances of this happening, since it takes less ship movement for the water to come sloshing out.

[Nghthawke]

There was an article today's Globe and Mail about the Veendam/Alaska:

 

Cruising Alaska: Blue ice, green ships

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/travel/blue-ice-green-ships/article1252036/

[Tamaracboy]

Oh, it was great fun. I enjoy all the motion ... it's like being on an amusement park ride. I spent of the day in the Crows Nest, watching the sights, and in the Lido. I wandered the ship a bit, but I had to be careful with the seas so high.

Of course, nobody went outside. Indeed, the external doors were locked shut.

 

Ruth, several other CCers, and i will be aboard the Rotterdam this November for the crossing from Rome to Fort Lauderdale. We board on October 31 for 18 wonderful days. Wanna join us? The ship isn't sold out yet and the prices are nice. They have cabins available from 1,399.00 per-person.

 

Er, just to clarify. By "old girl" you meant the Rotterdam, right? ;)

 

Ruth & Rev,

(finally I get to address you both)

As for "old" that is a state of mind that you obviously do NOT suffer from.

And any "creaks & groans" coming from you must be from some especially delightful chocolate. ;)

Crow's Nest windows held tight ?

Assume any shows were canceled, but food service ? ?

Imagine the casino stayed open :cool:

Now here we come to the Rev's invitation re Rome - Ft Lauderdale;

this would put both of you here at the same time and I am very prone to inviting people to dinner.

Are you starting to see the possibilities ?

Once you've done the math, get back to me with the best solution to all this. :rolleyes:

 

November 18th ??

 

r.

[RuthC]

Crow's Nest windows held tight ?

Assume any shows were canceled, but food service ? ?

Imagine the casino stayed open :cool:

I was on one cruise with 38 consecutive hours of 45' seas. It started about 2:00 PM Sunday as we sailed out of Nuuk, and ended very early Tuesday morning.

The sea did splash against the Crow's Nest windows. Yes, they held. But the water did breech the doors on Upper Promenade, entered, and cascaded down the staircases in front of the stage. The show stopped, and the second show was canceled. So was BINGO the next day! :eek: IIRC, no other shows were canceled.

Dishes and glassware were broken that night when "The Wave" hit during second seating, and everything (and a few chairs w/people in them) toppled over. The next day I listened as stacks of dishes in the Lido crashed to the deck.

When we arrived for dinner Monday night, the tables were not set. Whatever was needed was brought as the course was served.

I got so used to the rockin' & rollin' that I awoke with a start at 4:00 AM Tuesday---because it was so calm. :rolleyes:

Now here we come to the Rev's invitation re Rome - Ft Lauderdale;

this would put both of you here at the same time and I am very prone to inviting people to dinner.

Are you starting to see the possibilities ?

Once you've done the math, get back to me with the best solution to all this. :rolleyes:

 

November 18th ??

 

r.

I'm flying out the day we dock, at 12:??. I wish there were some way to arrange a get-together, but it looks like there's little opportunity. I'm game for most anything, if finer minds than mine can think of something.

[Tamaracboy]

I was on one cruise with 38 consecutive hours of 45' seas. It started about 2:00 PM Sunday as we sailed out of Nuuk, and ended very early Tuesday morning.

The sea did splash against the Crow's Nest windows. Yes, they held. But the water did breech the doors on Upper Promenade, entered, and cascaded down the staircases in front of the stage. The show stopped, and the second show was canceled. So was BINGO the next day! IIRC, no other shows were canceled.

Dishes and glassware were broken that night when "The Wave" hit during second seating, and everything (and a few chairs w/people in them) toppled over. The next day I listened as stacks of dishes in the Lido crashed to the deck.

When we arrived for dinner Monday night, the tables were not set. Whatever was needed was brought as the course was served.

I got so used to the rockin' & rollin' that I awoke with a start at 4:00 AM Tuesday---because it was so calm. :rolleyes:

 

Ruth,

 

I would have Loved to be on that trip. Just to try and be the last one standing ;)

If the ship ISN'T moving enough I can't sleep. I keep thinking we are in port and I should be up and doing something. :rolleyes:

 

 

I'm flying out the day we dock, at 12:??. I wish there were some way to arrange a get-together, but it looks like there's little opportunity. I'm game for most anything, if finer minds than mine can think of something.

 

If you are off early enough, I could always pick you and the Rev. up dockside, have coffee (and chocolate) then drop you at the airport.

This is if you both don't have a lot of luggage, my trunk is small. :(

Who knows, I could borrow a friends car with a bigger trunk. :cool:

 

Keep thinking, We can make this happen ! :D

 

r.

[RuthC]

If you are off early enough, I could always pick you and the Rev. up dockside, have coffee (and chocolate) then drop you at the airport.

This is if you both don't have a lot of luggage, my trunk is small. :(

Who knows, I could borrow a friends car with a bigger trunk. :cool:

 

Keep thinking, We can make this happen ! :D

 

r.

Works for me. But! I'll be coming off a 32-day cruise (I'm boarding in Athens, then staying on), which means I'll have two big suitcases, and two carry-ons. I won't speak for Greg, but he doesn't travel light.

Also, I don't know if his cousin is coming or not. So, there may be more people.