Pratique

Just now, chengkp75 said:

The key improvement to the Key bridge will be to build large "islands" around each footing, so that a ship is stopped before it can contact the bridge structure,  as they did with Florida's Sunshine Skyline bridge. The "dolphins" they placed in response to the Skyline bridge failure are a joke, and totally inadequate. They need to be increased in size as well as creating islands at the footings. The power line supports need increased protection as well.  Going higher does not make the bridge safer from accidents like this. 

I was not referring to safety, I was referring to expanded capacity for taller ships. I agree that new bridge designs should incorporate defensive fortifications as well. Although incidents like this are very rare, we just witnessed one of the most expensive ones in history, so it makes sense to fortify the new structures.

26 minutes ago, alfaeric said:

That part I understand.  But the switch to that subject is intertwined into this main story.  And to accomplish what you want, 2 more bridges need to be lifted.  Which is well outside the timeline of this accident.  So when you come in randomly to see if the current news is updated, and you see discussions about the replacement being in a bad place- it's natural to think this is about the FSK bridge, since it HAS to be replaced right now.

 

That's the confusing part- a bridge that has no choice but to be replaced vs. the other two and where they are, when they will be replaced, etc.  Again, IMHO, the cruise aspect of this area is minor compared to the rest of the shipping.  So I don't see the other two bridges changed anytime soon- especially since this bridge gets replaced now.

 

The discussion's diversion to the other bridges seems like putting the cart before the horse. They can future-proof the new Key Bridge by making it higher. They can also go back to the drawing board on the other bridges in light of these unexpected circumstances.

11 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

The end of May seems a long time. I assume they've just given themselves some buffer there.

The Army Corps of Engineers said that these are "ambitious timelines" with weather delays and the complexity of extracting the wreckage, which sinking into the mud. We need Yoda to come and do that force thing he did on Luke's X-Wing. No doubt they are trying to set expectations for everyone who wants the port reopened yesterday.

51 minutes ago, SRF said:

 

Agreed.  I was addressing those who seem to think it is simple to just take a crane of lift off the bridge steel.

What did you do to the first part of my post before “unless?”

Just now, BND said:

Sigh.  This only happened due to a major tragedy where people lost their lives, but hey, complain about missing a day.

In larger perspective it seems trivial. I read today how most of the shipping companies except Maesrk are going to dump the inbound containers at different ports and told the receivers to come and get it, not our problem to get it to Baltimore. The pain will be spread far and wide and everyone who feels it will be unhappy to some degree. But it is just another bump in the road of life.

6 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Never, ever, ever happen

 

Interesting first post however

Maybe some enterprising guests can pool up for a charter bus.

6 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Just remember that until the last few moments, the ship was in the shipping channel.  Also, like most cruisers, and one poster on this thread, I believe, perspective is deceiving, as it looks like the ships are almost touching the bridges as they go under, so how well a person could determine that a ship was too close to the bridge abutment is up in the air.

It seems like the event unfolded very quickly, in just a matter of minutes. If not for the pilot radioing the warning and the quick relay of the warning to the police (and their quick reactions), I think that almost no one would have seen this coming. Especially in the darkness of night. When I am standing or driving on a bridge, I have no sense of what is below the bridge.

55 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

My OPINION is that the resources are limited despite how much power is brought to bear.

There is that saying that nine women can't have a baby in one month. I tend to agree that there is a practical limit to how quickly the bridge can be cleared. It will require special equipment and careful planning and execution. Even if they started tomorrow, there is only so much they can do at once. Six weeks seems like a stretch unless it turns out that all they need to do is lift a few large sections out of the channel in big pieces and there are no setbacks.

7 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

From the drone video, there's a gigantic chunk out of the starboard bow, but still well above the water line.

I'm not in disagreement with you other than your statement that the ship is not stuck.

7 minutes ago, SilkySal said:

I may be alone in my thinking but it looks pretty awful to me.

Optimistically if they can simply lift the bridge off of the ship with a crane and then refloat the ship, it may not be too bad. The Coast Guard said that there is no flooding of the ship below the waterline, which sounds good. But above the waterline it is a tangled mess and the Coast Guard did not indicate the extent of it yet other than to say that the ship is on the pier and the riverbed. It will be an interesting salvage operation.

5 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

Water isn't that deep there, so no surprise the bow is on the bottom.  I'd imagine they'd have to offload the containers before trying to move it anyway, so it shouldn't take much to refloat it back into the channel.

We really don't know how entangled it is with the bridge pier.

1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

The ship isn't stuck in this case though. It really won't take that long to remove the debris from the ship and begin demo of the bridge. The questions are when are they allowed to start and when can they actually start, meaning having the right equipment on scene.

Press conference with the Coast Guard suggests that it is sitting on the bridge pier and that the bow is resting on the bottom. The salvage company will be tasked with removing the ship after the Army Corps of Engineers removes the bridge from the ship.

8 minutes ago, reallyitsmema said:

 

They use a walker.

So does my father but he can manage stairs just fine. The OP's situation may be different.

3 minutes ago, reallyitsmema said:

 

With the bedroom on the second floor, they would have to try to get the accessible crown loft suite that has the elevator in the suite.

Only if climbing stairs is impractical.

Edit to add: planning years in advance should not pose an issue to get one of the accessible suites.

If you are planning to sail on Allure, consider a Crown Loft Suite as it is on the same deck as the suite lounge and restaurant and has very convenient access. Some of the other suites require walking down long narrow corridors to access and over the course of a week that can get tedious especially if you are using a walking aid. The Crown Loft Suites are essentially on a private deck with wide and short corridors to and from the elevators. They are our favorite cabins of all.

The shine is off for us too. One more cruise booked with them and that might be it. We'll see how it goes.

27 minutes ago, gonole1972 said:

Great points everyone.  I guess I'll just go with the flow and grin a bear it.

Well you can (still) get a multi-course meal without an upcharge, so it is a little ridiculous to charge for popcorn. If the charge is indeed intended as a deterrent, so they have less cleaning to do, then I suppose it must be working. I might also argue however that movie theaters charge much more for popcorn and still manage to clean up the mess left behind (more or less). I might further argue that the crew would also prefer that there was no food at all, that would make clean up even easier, but cleaning up is part of the job, no? So maybe it's just a way to nickel and dime everyone a little more.

9 minutes ago, island lady said:

 

And another point in case.   I am Pinnacle, I sail in suites, though I don't use the DL (now crown lounge), SL, or CLs during happy hour on the ships that still have them.  We do our happy hour using our vouchers in the common lounges, with VCL being our favorite.   For us "Any time, in any lounge is happy hour".  We do enjoy CK however, and will grab a drink in there when we are going to dinner.  

 

So you won't see us taking up the precious seats in those lounges....well except for when our dear friends invite us in to join them....and they know who they are...."Dave's not here!".  😄 

I'm not making a blanket statement about pins. I know that if there are hundreds of them on the ship only a relative few will be in the lounges at any given time. But sometimes it only takes a few to distract the crew with long-winded conversations. And we see the pins on their shirts giving them away. I don't know what the solution is or will be, but it is an ongoing issue. Maybe one we just learn to live with or find another cruise line I suppose.

34 minutes ago, Morecruisesplz said:

Sorry @island lady that I took the post literally. We don’t know each other but a couple of members whom I have come to appreciate for being level headed  have pointed out my error regarding your tongue-in-cheek post. My bad! 😞

But that kind of proves another point, that occasional suite guests are not in the cliques with the pins and don't have that level of personal info to figure it out. All they (we) see are a bunch of pins holding court in the lounge. It's not like we're going to say, "oh, they're cool, we'll come back later when some seats open up." (Although the pins and the crew would be happy if we did.)

Let's flip it and call it the Pinnacle Lounge where suite guests are welcome on a space-available basis. Seems fair since the pins have "earned" it. Long story short there is a capacity issue on a vessel with limited capacity. They can't make everyone happy so something has to give.

15 minutes ago, mo&fran said:

You don't need t worry about this Pinn.  WE really prefer to stay away from the lounges. Too many entitled people in there, both  Suite and Pinn.  

Either way the suite lounge experience isn't all that special anymore and it's not just the guests making it that way. We sometimes hang out there on boarding day if the rooms are not ready yet (but increasingly we just find a table in the WJ and deal with that madness so we can get some more food variety) and again on departing day if we are meeting the concierge there for an escort off of the ship. In between it's just quick visits for drinks during less busy hours. But it's also the principle of paying for a suite with SL benefits and not being able to use it because it is full, kind of dilutes the whole suite experience.

The number of pins in the SL at the same time seems to vary greatly from one cruise to the next. If there is any rhyme or reason to this, I haven't figured it out, but I posit that it is nearly impossible to predict what it will be like on any given cruise with any accuracy. At least with the current admission policies.

If you have less than eight drinks per day, then no (no benefit).

If you are going to drink while ashore (except private islands), then definitely no.

If you are in a suite, then no (Suite Lounge).

If you are Diamond or higher, then no (vouchers).

If you eat in the specialty restaurants, then no (comped drinks).

Otherwise, sure why not, you're on holiday live it up.

Captain Rob on docking Wonder at PC.

https://youtu.be/OEOxZDIlt0Y?si=-f7eIe912AjCtpOJ

A few months ago PC announced a new terminal will be open as soon as 2026. They were mum on details while they negotiate with the various interested parties. I'm not up to date on this (is it still a secret where the new terminal will go?) but there was the strong suggestion that there would be impacts on existing operations at the port regardless of where the new terminal is built. When Celebrity starts home porting at PC next year there will be "a lot of moving parts" to get the new terminal built, so says the CEO of PC.

Likely they will still be using T6 next summer for the second Oasis class ship, but things could change at any time including itineraries.

Royal never liked doing this and Covid travel restrictions put an end to downlining.

You might try to email royalguestrelations@rccl.com to ask; however, in the past it was only granted on a case-by-case basis so be prepared to explain why you are doing it.

If you do not intend to return to the ship then they need to know so they don't hold the ship and waste time trying to hunt you down before departing.