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On 7/16/2021 at 9:52 AM, donaldsc said:
What proof does anyone have to provide that they are medically unable to be vaccinated? We all know that if the required proof is not iron clad, people will find a way to cheat.
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I am allergic to a different vaccine. I have emergency room records, a report from an allergist of a scratch test showing an allergic reaction requiring prednisone, and a blood titer showing high antibody levels after just the scratch test.
I'd guess that would be adequate proof.
(My COVID vaccination went fine with typical fatigue symptoms. All other vaccinations have been fine, but I'm never getting another DT or DPT immunization again.)
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Thank you for all the reports, @notamermaid - I hope that the floodwaters soon subside and that the lost and missing are rescued. Please stay safe.
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I wonder if proof of vaccination might be required?
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On 5/7/2020 at 8:37 AM, SilverHengroen said:
The last monarch of the Stuart Dynasty, and Queen when the United Kingdom was formed in 1707. By all accounts a bit cantankerous, though! There have actually only been 6 undisputed Queens regnant in English-British history (Scotland is slightly different as the two monarchies were separate until the Tudors died out and were replaced by the Scottish Stuarts in England as well) They were:
Queen Mary I
Queen Elizabeth I
Queen Mary II
Queen Anne
Queen Victoria
Queen Elizabeth II
A further two (Matilda of England and Jane Grey) are not fully recognised.
So Anne is the final unused name from previous British Monarchs (though notably the first Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth were named for the wives of Kings, and there are many more of those e.g Berengaria, Alexandra, Caroline, Charlotte, Adelaide).
I believe there's also an architectural/ interior design style called Queen Anne, which they could draw some inspiration from for the interior if they so wished.
Just for confusion -- the Queen Anne architectural style came forward towards the end of Queen Victoria's era, and long after Queen Anne the monarch had passed from this mortal coil. Queen Anne was closer in time to Shakespeare's era than Queen Victoria's reign.
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5 hours ago, JF - retired RRT said:
Amazing!! It's like the Argentine officials woke up that morning and said, "let's go check a few temperatures". Not all, just some.
if the Argentine officials used sampling, they don't necessarily need to check everyone's temperature. If the protocol was to check temps on X passengers and Y crew and based on the results either decide to sample more or not continue to sample, that would make sense. (For example, if you measured temps on 200 passengers and all with within limits...would it really be essential to continue taking temps on the rest?) Or, it could have been that they were out-of-time or ready for a coffee break. We might not ever know...but I can hypothesize why it might be reasonable not to check everyone.
Hospitals in heavy-hit areas are doing rather precisely that. If someone shows up at a hospital in Brooklyn with typical Covid-19 symptoms and breathing trouble, they call it presumptive and move forward with treatment without ordering a test. In areas where Covid-19 cases are still low, the protocol may be to test.
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4 minutes ago, Roberto256 said:
I hope the Australians on board are treated with the same courtesy the Australian government is
extending to the crew stranded on the various cruise ships near Australia.
The "leave our waters now" courtesy? https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1892590/australia-tells-virus-stricken-cruise-ships-to-go-home
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Hopefully this gives the remaining ships a blueprint for their returns.
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That is a very detailed plan in terms of getting folks out of Florida.
It is not nearly so clear as to what happens to folks once they arrive at the airport where the charter flights land. I hope the passengers continue to wear the masks they are being provided.
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14 minutes ago, azbirdmom said:
But no one has boarded the ship recently, and the passengers haven't been ashore or some time. So this is puzzling to me as well.
Say someone is exposed and catches it March 1 or 2nd. (I think that was about the date passengers or crew last interacted in person with anyone on shore.) With about a quarter of the people who are infected not having symptoms they may notice, it is reasonably possible that it was transmitted to someone else who didn't show symptoms or who didn't notice mild symptoms or who didn't report mild symptoms. Then someone gets infected who does manifest significant symptoms.
Time in quarantine is a good but not perfect measure. There are no perfect measures.
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3 minutes ago, mevs904 said:
I have been following your voyage and was so hopeful that you would make it through without any Covid diagnoses. So sorry to hear that the ship is no longer virus free. I’m puzzled though. Haven’t you all been on the ship longer than 15 days? How could this happen?
Someone who was infected but without symptoms boarded. (About 25% or more of folks who are positive for the virus do not have symptoms.) That person, while not showing symptoms, infects someone else who does show symptoms.
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1 minute ago, LMaxwell said:
Carnival Corp has offered to use its ships as hospital ships for non-covid patients; if the people are not stick on Rotterdam isn't it practical to continue to use that ship as floating quarantine vessel until sufficient time has passed to disembark? Wouldn't that be the spirit of use offered by Carnival? Not speaking of Zaandam, just Rotterdam
HAL's rep said yesterday that "a couple" people on Rotterdam had flu-type symptoms. (The link is back a bunch of pages.)
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37 minutes ago, baabtx said:
Having very good friends that just arrived back to their ranch outside Austin, I reached out to see how they were doing. They are feeling fine and self quarantining (glad they are a bit remote). Is there any information on which positions those crew members that have contracted the virus worked?
That article does not say. Perhaps there is more in the San Diego Union? I hope your friends continue to be fine.
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HAL acknowledging that "a couple" of folks on Rotterdam have flu-type symptoms is the reason I'd like to see a plan where all passengers are quarantined. I'd also like to see those that need hospitalization get it promptly even if they have to be medevac'd over to Orlando or some other less hard hit area.
In the long run, some things need to change with the cruise industry. That time is not now.
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As of Tuesday, according to Carnival’s chief maritime officer William Burke, there were “a couple” passengers on Rotterdam with flu-like symptoms. Including crew, there are 1,048 people on Zaandam and 1,442 on Rotterdam.
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"News of the three crew members testing positive was announced by county officials later in the day. Dr. Eric McDonald, the county's medical director of epidemiology said the passenger was medically evacuated on Monday morning with cardiac and respiratory complaints. He said the patient was transported using precautions for spreading COVID-19 and later tested positive. McDonald said as of Wednesday the patient remained hospitalized in serious condition.
McDonald said three crew members who had been isolated on the ship with respiratory symptoms were tested positive for the virus.
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On Monday, when the ship docked port officials said no one on board had any signs or symptoms of any illness."
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18 minutes ago, AlanF65 said:
And this, for me, is the crux of the problem:
"And we need confirmation from a port that is willing to extend the same compassion and grace that Panama did, and allow us to come in so our guests can go straight to the airport for flights home."
They do need a port, and very soon. However, I sincerely hope that comes with either quarantine or the requirement that people have a negative test before they're sent out into the airport to stream across the world.
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4 minutes ago, dockman said:
update from brother on ship rotterdam:
says new captain making lot of announcements re his commitment to keep them all safe etc...says no word yet as to destination as situation is fluid....says very nice to be on rotterdam as everything very clean...of course no room stewards in rooms on zdam for long time so no serious room cleaning though they did get clean sheets and towels left at door...
that's about it...he did say that they are through canal and that everyone had to keep their drapes and verandah doors closed during canal passage
I'm glad your brother is doing well. Someday, I hope there is an explanation for the drapes closed requirement while they were passing through the canal. That is...weird.
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1 hour ago, 3rdGenCunarder said:
I didn't see the show, but the description in the earlier post and your comment reminds me of the old newspaper saying "if it bleeds, it leads." My take is that the couple who didn't get moved had an axe to grind. They or someone they know contacted news stations or news stations found them from posts online somewhere and boom! we have a news story.
Why not assume that this is their truth and their experience? Are they supposed to be all "happy happy joy joy" in this situation?
From several reports (and not just theirs) passengers and (some) crew aren't being given much information. If folks still on board the Zaandam are thrilled with the way things are going they are certainly free to say so.
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Just now, Priya2 said:
I’m sorry if this question has already been asked and answered, but this thread is too long to read through entirely. I’m wondering when this cruise set sail?
Look up 3 posts.
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8 minutes ago, dockman said:
Just now: 60 pax have been moved to rotterdam and 60 more supposed to go soon. Captain says something about trying to balance work load and explaining how people are picked to move, age, inside cabin ec. LOTS of stress. Still no info as to when /where they ultimately will disembark.
Apparently a lot of people who are hoping to move to rotterdam have no idea if they will or will not be moved and are sitting in rooms hoping for more information on what is going on.
It sounds like this will end up being a multi-day delay on getting the Zaandam moving again. That's a long add-on for the people stuck onboard.
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The full Rotterdam FAQ for their staff is at the bottom of this article: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241559956.html
page 3 indicates that the Rotterdam plans to head to the "Northwest U.S. area to disembark guests."
Looking at the FAQ and the level of detail and repetition -- I think there is some real unhappiness among the crew.
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3 minutes ago, dockman said:
Update five minutes ago: They are telling healthy passengers with CPAC machines that they cannot be transferred to Rotterdam. Apparently a lot of people have these and are upset. Ship is checking with CDC re this so these people are anxiously awaiting to hear response.
No idea why a cpac would be a factor.
Yes, it may be a factor:
It is possible that using CPAP could increase the risk of spreading the virus to others around you. Be sure to talk to your medical provider about this risk.
https://aasm.org/coronavirus-covid-19-faqs-cpap-sleep-apnea-patients/
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I wish them well, but I'm sorry that Rotterdam crew who didn't volunteer for this are being forcibly thrust into this situation. It is unfortunate that they did not ask for volunteers (in addition to the already planned medical staff)) and transfer the volunteers to the Zaandam who could live in cabins that are not occupied and provide support. (Zaandam was not full on this sailing)
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10 minutes ago, canadianjovigirl said:
They’re reporting deaths on board https://www.businessinsider.com/holland-american-coronavirus-covid-19-zaandam-rotterdam-2020-3
That is a fascinating article with many more details than provided in the HAL statement. A total cluster.
3 deaths in the last day, 1 before that.
Visible Proof of Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated
in Carnival Cruise Lines
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Coffee shops figured this out a long time ago. If you sell someone a 10 coffee punchcard, you don't worry about someone punching holes in it because the customer who does that is losing paid-for cups of coffee. You can use the cheapest generic hole punch you can buy. OTOH, if you're giving out cards where people get a free coffee after buying 10 coffees, you make darn sure that whatever mark you make (special hole punch, stamp) is not something easily forged by your customers.
Similarly, if being vaccinated gets you better privileges on board, giving wristbands to the unvaccinated folks makes it pretty likely that some will choose to cut/lose/forget the wristband so that they can enjoy the spaces they're not supposed to enjoy. If you instead give the bands to the vaccinated folks, they have an incentive to not lose or cut them off because they then could not use those spaces.