Beezo
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Ah yes - thank you.
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I agree. If we go back further, Carnival Splendor was intended to be the first new build for P&O Australia, which reversed course. Cruising in Australia, while growing, has been complicated. Sydney is extremely limited in docks on the ocean side of the port with only the Overseas Passenger Terminal and the occasional docking at Garden Island/Potts Point. Only other options are tendering if they can’t fit under the bridge.
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56 minutes ago, arxcards said:
Wouldn't it be somewhat of an insult to be sending tired 20-year-old Princess/HAL ships to be rebranded as Carnival?
Completely agree. It was an easy way to exit a ship from a mainline fleet but also maintain revenue. Also kept them from creating additional competition.
I think we could easily see ships head to the scrappers.
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I agree - I think you'll see the expansion of the Carnival brand. Overall, they have stayed concentrated in the US market, with smaller scale in Australia and Europe.
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Also - with the addition of these two ships to the Carnival brand, it brings them back to a "tie" in quantity of ships by with Royal Caribbean - both with 31 ships in 2028.
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Not surprised they are folding P&O Australia, but am surprised they are folding into Carnival brand. I would've thought it would have folded into P&O UK as a single brand. Also odd given Carnival Cruise Line does not operate that class in the fleet, as opposed to the Costa transfers.
I think this could easily be the beginning of additional consolidation... It remains interesting that the brands without any orders are HAL, Aida, Costa, Cunard, Seabourn and P&O.
Princess - Global Up-market (could absorb P&O UK)
Carnival - Global Mass-market (absorbing P&O AU)
There were rumors last year that Carnival was exploring the sale of Seabourn & Cunard.
Brian
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On 2/26/2013 at 5:26 AM, Philly Steve said:
Nice display!
Two of my favorite models were NCL ships; a ceramic Norway model from '94 and a hard to find Norwegian Majesty model I snagged online. 🙂
I'm dredging this thread up!
I'm on the hunt for a a couple models - The hardest is Norwegian Majesty (preferably pre-stretch, but either will do). Who made the model you were able to find online? I've searched high and low!
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13 hours ago, FreestyleNovice said:
Hahah, thank you! I had to do a double take when I saw it too. Apologies ~ missed your thread from a few months ago.
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I guess I had missed this announcement, but NCLH wasn't ready to provide more details back in November. NCL has already received permission from the Bahamian Government to build the Pier:
Timeline to start construction seems to still be on track to begin this summer.
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8 hours ago, zqvol said:
IMO that is the long range plan. 7 day cruises with one stop at the private island. Keep all the cash in the company.
I’m surprised we haven’t seen an itinerary with a stop at both Harvest Cay and Great Stirrup Cay.
Royal Caribbean could create a similar itinerary with stops at Coco Cay, Nassau/Royal Beach Club and Cozumel/Royal Beach Club once these destinations are complete.
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12 minutes ago, skeeter195 said:
That is one long walk to get to the farthest beach just before silver cove.
I believe I read they have a trolly-like system they’ve already setup. It’s been a couple years since I’ve been there so can’t confirm on my end. Anyone been there recently?
It looks like the pier is right by the tender docks current location.
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25 minutes ago, Turtles06 said:
Hmm... two 5,000-guest ships there at the same time? Sounds like great fun. 😁
Hahah I know. But, Royal Caribbean does it with two Oasis class ships on an island half the size. Will depend on passenger flow, areas, activities, etc.
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3 hours ago, dexddd said:
Looks nice. If true about being done in 2025, highly doubt that.
I agree - but remember- they only mentioned the pier in the press announcement. These renderings are probably now through the next couple years once pier is complete. Nothing about the pools, shopping, etc has been formally announced by NCL yet. -
From NCL:
“The new pier will be constructed to simultaneously accommodate two large vessels of the Company’s current and future ship classes.”
The pier will be able to handle the new ships.
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Hi everyone!
I did some digging online and was able to find some details on the new pier for GSC as well as additional updates coming to the island. Please note - NCL has only announced the Pier itself, but looks like many more exciting enhancements are in the pipeline. I myself was wondering what they were going to do with the harbor they created for all the tenders.
Client: Norwegian Cruise Lines
Location: Berry Islands, Bahamas
Size of Project: 280-acre
Construction Cost:
Completion date:
Unique Features: 4 pools – 35,000-sf of water surface, 20,000-sf commissary kitchen, 5-acre solar farmGreat Stirrup Cay is Norwegian Cruise Line’s 280-acre private island in the Bahamas. BA assembled a team to assess the guest experience, operations, and infrastructure of the island to provide a holistic plan of moving forward. For the guest experience, BA explored an array of new activities, amenities, and F&B venues for guests. The new design included a Bahamian village with shops and restaurants, 4 pools amounting to over 35,000 SF of water surface with slides, a rockwork grotto cave bar/swim up bar, a dune buggy park, island-wide bike trails, coastal cabanas, 20,000SF commissary kitchen, and 5-acre solar farm. The goal was to add amenities and activities that showcase the natural beauty of the existing upland and surrounding waters and allow guests to discover Bahamian island from end to end.
For operations the plan adds two piers capable of berthing Breakaway Plus class ships, upgrading all existing infrastructure to accommodate the increase in capacity, adding a 20,000 SF commissary kitchen and F&B operation, administration offices, roadways, as well as sustainability initiatives to include a 5-acre solar farm. BA completed the master plan and design for the cruise pier, pools, civil and back of house infrastructure. Beach work was recently completed, and the BA team is continuing to focus on environmental permitting efforts for the piers to be able to move forward. The Master Plan allows for the island resort to develop and expand facilities considering all aspects of coastal resiliency and infrastructure sustainability. BA’s scope includes design services, concept development, master planning, planning, design, and construction administration. BA leads design efforts, internal project management, planning, landscape architecture, civil engineering, marine engineering, interior design.
https://bermelloajamil.com/destination-development-portfolio2/
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20 minutes ago, yakcruiser said:
The Norwegian Seahawk would have been perfect! It could have had the Seahawk logo on the bow. And Marshawn Lynch could have been the godfather. Oh, the possibilities! It would have been the best ship in the fleet.
Hahahaha!
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Just now, Beezo said:
Me too.... Just like Encore for the Breakaway-Class as the final/ending.
Overall, I don't prefer the naming conventions for the new class of ships. I will say they are creative, but the combo of "Norwegian" + "Italian" naming for a US-based line is a bit off.
I do like Luna - I remember there were thoughts years ago when they were naming Sky, Sun, Star, Dawn - that Norwegian Moon was on the table.
But as I said, the names are more creative and differentiating. Past names it looks like they never moved forward with as well: Norwegian Marvel, Norwegian Seahawk
On 10/8/2023 at 3:58 PM, bluesea777 said:Somebody who is on the Dawn at the moment said at their Q&A (or M&M, I can’t remember) with Officers it was announced that the next Prima ship will be called Aqua and the 4th one Bella.
If that's the case, then we may have solved it 🙂
1: Prima
2: Viva
3: Aqua
4: Bella
5: Luna
6: Ultima
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3 minutes ago, BenCoudon said:
I am sure that the name ULTIMA will be used for the last ship #6
Me too.... Just like Encore for the Breakaway-Class as the final/ending.
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I did a little sleuthing and I noticed NCL refilled trademarks under a different IP subsidiary. Names resubmitted are Luna, Aqua, Bella, and Ultima:
https://uspto.report/company/Ncl-Us-Ip-Co-2-L-L-C
The original filing a couple years ago is here:
https://uspto.report/company/Ncl-Corp-L-T-D
Based on compare - Ombra, Vela and Aura are out as of right now.-
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Yea - Wasn't a fan of the baiting "somethings wrong" to get you to keep watching the video (they also get paid via ads) you have to watch thru it.
Reviews (everyones) are subjective. Not everyone needs to think/feel/like the same - They did a great job on video quality and editing. I put it on mute and admired the tour to make my own opinion.
Happy cruising and wish NCL much success on this new class!
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Glad they are finally able to move forward!
I've been wondering about the name as well. Here are some ideas (some same as yours!). They also have two additional Triton-Class ships to name:
Disney Adventure
Disney Imagination
Disney Enchantment
Disney Princess
Disney Marvel
Disney Joy
Disney Elation
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2 hours ago, luv2kroooz said:
It has been reported that NCL had filed a trademark for Bella a few years ago, so he is likely correct on the naming. I think they also filed for Luna (moon) and Aqua (water) in a previous year.
Correct. Trademarks filed were Prima, Viva, as well as Bella, Vela, Luna, Aura, Aqua, Ombra, Ultima.
my guess is next is Bella (styled B3LLA in the marketing). And #6 is ultima as the ultimate (similar to Encore /end wrapping up the Breakaway-Class). That leaves two left, with my preference of Luna and Aura.
Mind you - other names NCL had filed but never used many years ago were also Seahawk and Marvel.
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This is great! I was curious about the ship selection as well - surprised to not see the Breakaway and Pride of America, while seeing the Sky.
I'm a collector of these as well - excited to see this partnership.
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Have there been any recent photos of her at Marghera? Curious if you can see Prima 3 under construction yet.
By the way - I’m thinking #3 will be named Bella. just a guess….
PR1MA
V!VA
B3LLA
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Carnival Cruise Line to Absorb P&O Australia in 2025
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Ah yes - thank you.