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Just a reminder - NCL has ONLY announced the pier. The other activities in the renderings haven’t been announced (yet).

Now I’m questioning it, lol. Based on those windows in the front, it sure looks like it could be a ship from Silversea. Cloud and Wind are even older than Navigator.

Would be interesting if it's sold, but from a business perspective - not surprising. Out of all ships between NCL, Oceania, and Regent, this is the smallest vessel and one of the oldest, built in 1999 and 28,800 GTs. As for the 8 R-Class vessels - They were spread out across many cruise lines (Oceania, Princess, P&O, Swan Hellenic, Pullmantur, Hapag-Lloyd,) but are now consolidated again between Oceania and Azamara: R1 - Oceania's Insignia R2 - Oceania's Regatta R3 - Azamara's Onward R4 - Oceania's Sirena R5 - Oceania's Nautica R6 - Azamara's Journey R7 - Azamara's Quest R8 - Azamara's Pursuit Brian

The good news to this is 5,100 passengers for this class at 225K. Here are some quick compares I pulled on GT vs Capacity: NCL New Class = 225,000GT 5,100 Double Occupancy/TBD Max Oasis OTS = 226,838GT 5,606 Double Occupancy/6,699 Max Carnival New Class = 230,000GT TBD Double Occupancy/8,000 Max MSC World Europa = 215,863GT 5,400 Double Occupancy / 6,762 Max

Curious if anyone has heard any additional details on this development, specifically the Piers? Only the piers have been announced - and I believe I read a couple weeks back that they were approved by the Bahamas Government, but haven't heard much since then... Brian

Completely agree - I figured we’d see additional changes at Costa first. They run a lot of vessels spread across multiple classes, which is very inefficient. Costa - 9 ships across 5 classes Aida - 11 ships across 3 classes HAL - 11 ships across 4 classes Princess - 16 ships across 4 classes P&O UK - 7 ships across 5 classes Seabourn - 6 ships across 3 classes Cunard - 4 ships across 3 classes Carnival - 27 ships across 7/8 classss

Ah yes - thank you.

Ah yes - thank you.

I agree. If we go back further, Carnival Splendor was intended to be the first new build for P&O Australia, which reversed course. Cruising in Australia, while growing, has been complicated. Sydney is extremely limited in docks on the ocean side of the port with only the Overseas Passenger Terminal and the occasional docking at Garden Island/Potts Point. Only other options are tendering if they can’t fit under the bridge.

Completely agree. It was an easy way to exit a ship from a mainline fleet but also maintain revenue. Also kept them from creating additional competition. I think we could easily see ships head to the scrappers.

I agree - I think you'll see the expansion of the Carnival brand. Overall, they have stayed concentrated in the US market, with smaller scale in Australia and Europe.

Also - with the addition of these two ships to the Carnival brand, it brings them back to a "tie" in quantity of ships by with Royal Caribbean - both with 31 ships in 2028.

Not surprised they are folding P&O Australia, but am surprised they are folding into Carnival brand. I would've thought it would have folded into P&O UK as a single brand. Also odd given Carnival Cruise Line does not operate that class in the fleet, as opposed to the Costa transfers. I think this could easily be the beginning of additional consolidation... It remains interesting that the brands without any orders are HAL, Aida, Costa, Cunard, Seabourn and P&O. Princess - Global Up-market (could absorb P&O UK) Carnival - Global Mass-market (absorbing P&O AU) There were rumors last year that Carnival was exploring the sale of Seabourn & Cunard. Brian

I'm dredging this thread up! I'm on the hunt for a a couple models - The hardest is Norwegian Majesty (preferably pre-stretch, but either will do). Who made the model you were able to find online? I've searched high and low!

Hahah, thank you! I had to do a double take when I saw it too. Apologies ~ missed your thread from a few months ago.

I guess I had missed this announcement, but NCLH wasn't ready to provide more details back in November. NCL has already received permission from the Bahamian Government to build the Pier: https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/ports-destinations/ncl-still-vested-caribbean-eyes-further-bahamas-development. Timeline to start construction seems to still be on track to begin this summer.

I’m surprised we haven’t seen an itinerary with a stop at both Harvest Cay and Great Stirrup Cay. Royal Caribbean could create a similar itinerary with stops at Coco Cay, Nassau/Royal Beach Club and Cozumel/Royal Beach Club once these destinations are complete.

I believe I read they have a trolly-like system they’ve already setup. It’s been a couple years since I’ve been there so can’t confirm on my end. Anyone been there recently? It looks like the pier is right by the tender docks current location.

Hahah I know. But, Royal Caribbean does it with two Oasis class ships on an island half the size. Will depend on passenger flow, areas, activities, etc.

I agree - but remember- they only mentioned the pier in the press announcement. These renderings are probably now through the next couple years once pier is complete. Nothing about the pools, shopping, etc has been formally announced by NCL yet.

From NCL: “The new pier will be constructed to simultaneously accommodate two large vessels of the Company’s current and future ship classes.” https://www.nclhltd.com/news-media/press-releases/detail/590/norwegian-cruise-line-holdings-unveils-bold-new-vision-for The pier will be able to handle the new ships.

Hi everyone! I did some digging online and was able to find some details on the new pier for GSC as well as additional updates coming to the island. Please note - NCL has only announced the Pier itself, but looks like many more exciting enhancements are in the pipeline. I myself was wondering what they were going to do with the harbor they created for all the tenders. Client: Norwegian Cruise Lines Location: Berry Islands, Bahamas Size of Project: 280-acre Construction Cost: Completion date: Unique Features: 4 pools – 35,000-sf of water surface, 20,000-sf commissary kitchen, 5-acre solar farm Great Stirrup Cay is Norwegian Cruise Line’s 280-acre private island in the Bahamas. BA assembled a team to assess the guest experience, operations, and infrastructure of the island to provide a holistic plan of moving forward. For the guest experience, BA explored an array of new activities, amenities, and F&B venues for guests. The new design included a Bahamian village with shops and restaurants, 4 pools amounting to over 35,000 SF of water surface with slides, a rockwork grotto cave bar/swim up bar, a dune buggy park, island-wide bike trails, coastal cabanas, 20,000SF commissary kitchen, and 5-acre solar farm. The goal was to add amenities and activities that showcase the natural beauty of the existing upland and surrounding waters and allow guests to discover Bahamian island from end to end. For operations the plan adds two piers capable of berthing Breakaway Plus class ships, upgrading all existing infrastructure to accommodate the increase in capacity, adding a 20,000 SF commissary kitchen and F&B operation, administration offices, roadways, as well as sustainability initiatives to include a 5-acre solar farm. BA completed the master plan and design for the cruise pier, pools, civil and back of house infrastructure. Beach work was recently completed, and the BA team is continuing to focus on environmental permitting efforts for the piers to be able to move forward. The Master Plan allows for the island resort to develop and expand facilities considering all aspects of coastal resiliency and infrastructure sustainability. BA’s scope includes design services, concept development, master planning, planning, design, and construction administration. BA leads design efforts, internal project management, planning, landscape architecture, civil engineering, marine engineering, interior design. https://bermelloajamil.com/destination-development-portfolio2/

Hahahaha!

Overall, I don't prefer the naming conventions for the new class of ships. I will say they are creative, but the combo of "Norwegian" + "Italian" naming for a US-based line is a bit off. I do like Luna - I remember there were thoughts years ago when they were naming Sky, Sun, Star, Dawn - that Norwegian Moon was on the table. But as I said, the names are more creative and differentiating. Past names it looks like they never moved forward with as well: Norwegian Marvel, Norwegian Seahawk If that's the case, then we may have solved it 🙂 1: Prima 2: Viva 3: Aqua 4: Bella 5: Luna 6: Ultima

Me too.... Just like Encore for the Breakaway-Class as the final/ending.