Since you ask I took a 4 days cruise on both lines at different time Indy a much cleaning ships even food not what it use to be still was better than the Carnival Victory the crew night and day different the carnival crew act like they were on the bottom rung ship and it shown, room steward went in to hiding never saw him. the mdr was one big cluster the right hand did not know what the left hand was during 2 hour in the mdr seem to be the norm I could go on but there were the big ones. But my sister in law tried to talk the wife and I to book one of carnvial newer ships she said they much nicer now ?