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8 minutes ago, ReneeFLL said:

No, because Royal isn’t REQUIRING it. They are asking is someone wants to VOLUNTEER proof. Big difference. I know someone has already told you this so I don’t know why you are still saying it’s in violation. Saying it repeatedly doesn’t make it true.

Wrong again. Altering/denying goods or services based upon one’s refusal to present vax verification is a violation of FL. That’s exactly what RCI is doing. Denying certain services to the unvaxxed will be interpreted to be a violation of FL law regardless of where that violation takes place.  Just because someone “told” me something doesn’t make it accurate or fact. Just like when you all told me FL was gonna lose the injunction case. Didn’t make it true, did it?

Just now, ReneeFLL said:

Show me a business that has been dragged thru the mud like the cruise lines have. Most businesses don’t have to prove that they can conduct business safely with thousands of people in one location for days on end. Also, what other businesses have been under the thumb of the CDC like the cruise lines???? You can’t even compare what is going on with any other business in the US unless they involve cruises. 🙄

They won’t be under any CDC thumb given the recent court ruling..

5 minutes ago, Jenjer said:

Seems like everyone keep forgetting this is a vacation not a basic human right.  Don't like it, don't cruise. Do something else. Let your wallet speak for yourself. 

Doesn’t matter if it is a “human right” or not. We’re talking about FL law.

Just now, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Great idea yes.

Only to the delusional.

Just now, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Uh....NO...it isn't.  There's already a way to address it - ask for voluntary (not mandated) vaccination confirmations...then for those who don't...charge them through the nose (pun intended) for testing over and over.

Wrong. Any non-brain-dead judge would see through that tactic. Charging excessive fees to the unvaxxed is akin to deny/altering a good or service based upon one’s vax status. Doesn’t even pass the smirk test. Now, if RCI charges a reasonable fee for testing in line with its actual costs - that’s fine. But charging $1,000 to those who refused to present vaccine verification when it has no relation to the actual costs of the testing is so ridiculously a violation even my cat sees it. Next....

12 hours ago, coffeebean said:

If the cruise lines are smart, they will hire extra security who will enforce what ever safelty protocols there will be on cruise ships. I was on a cruise a few years ago that had hired off duty policemen to keep things on the level keel on board when a couple thousand of Quinceanera kids were on board. They kept the peace just fine. We had no problems at all.

Great idea - not.

21 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

You need to keep up with the news. NCL says “no kids” for the time being. No vaccine, No cruise, No exceptions. 

Will be reaping huge fines in FL.

35 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

It's a shame Royal doesn't charge a $1000 per passenger fee to those not vaccinated booking a cruise...to cover the extra costs to everyone else for the safety provisions caused by the anti-vaxxer mindset.

 

If they did that...watch the excuses disappear....

Patent violation of FL law.

47 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

This isn't hard. Try not to let it be either.  

A loyalty program on any product/service in most cases are earned by the amount of dollars spent. In the new RCG world, an unvaxed P, D+, or D would not have the same loyalty rights and priveleges they once had but the vaxed P, D+, & D would continue the same.  And the only difference between the two is that their concerns over the vsccine and/or their natual immunities are being ignored by RCG. 

Violation of FL law plain and simple.

10 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

If those that have recovered get the vaccine and show proof I would think it would be good enough.

Violation of FL law.

59 minutes ago, cured said:

This may be a total shocker to some, but as soon as science determines what level of titers is acceptable immunity, I totally support providing a lab report drawn a week before any cruise.

 

 A lab report confirming a certain titer level should be accepted.  If businesses and schools can accept titer levels for diseases such as measles, as soon as the science is there, the same should be acceptable for covid.

 

Not only will requiring this get around DeSantis's law (those vaccinated can opt to provide a titer report,) but will also be inclusive of everyone who has antibodies.  And a lab report is just a tiny bit harder to fake than a cardboard card with handwritten scrawled info.

So people have a get a blood test in order to cruise? Not gonna happen. Ridiculous.

On 6/17/2021 at 8:12 PM, ijscheer said:

So how is Princess getting around the Florida/DeSantis rule that vaccination proof cannot be required? Celebrity doesn't seem to be able to.

They aren’t. They’re gonna get spanked with millions of dollars in fines for every sailing out of Florida that violates the law. Moreover, FL is going to win any challenge to this law so Carnival, etc. will have to pay up. It’s going to be costly for them.

1 hour ago, pthjudy said:

Yes, it’s a class system but for health reasons as well as survival of a whole industry. Unvaccinated people who are doing so for a legitimate reason may choose to cruise or not. Those who are doing so for political reasons may become combative and I fear what may come down. Either way, no one wins. 

What it is is a violation of FL law. Just watch....

2 hours ago, vpearlkc said:

I think Royal Caribbean has found a brilliant way to sail safely from Florida. Provide a miserable cruise experience for the unvaccinated and charge them more for the privilege.

 

Being segregated in a special dining hall, not being able to go to shows and having to wear a mask  indoors while 90% are are walking around maskless would not be fun.

 

If I were unvaccinated and offered a full refund to not sail, as Royal Caribbean has done, I would take it.

 

  

 

 

Not brilliant at all as these tactics, I believe, violate FL law as they deny/alter goods and/or services based upon one’s medical verification status. As the sailing originated from FL, I don’t believe it’s relevant the the violation occurs in open sea. RCI is gonna get spanked with fines..

21 hours ago, nelblu said:

I'm treating parents and their children as one.  Maybe I'm suspicious or ulterior motives, but why the need to show your seapass to gain access to certain venues.  Is the vaccination data on your seapass.I'

 

 

With the risk of COVID-19 still present, Royal Caribbean has made the decision to restrict access to certain public rooms, events, and areas of the vessel to vaccinated passengers only. Passengers will need to keep their SeaPass cards at them on all times in order to gain access to lounges, shows and dining venues while onboard.

"Since the majority of our guests will be vaccinated, there will be venues and events restricted to vaccinated guests only," stated Royal Caribbean in its email communiqué to passengers. "We’ll do our best to create opportunities for all guests to enjoy their time with us."

For entertainment venues, select showtimes will be offered for vaccinated passengers only, while others will be offered for vaccinated and unvaccinated passengers. These will be listed in the daily program, and show reservations can be made using the Royal Caribbean app.

Meals in the ship's elegant Main Dining Room will be set up similarly: vaccinated and unvaccinated passengers may not dine together, and reservations will be encouraged using the Royal Caribbean app or Cruise Planner pre-cruise.

I think this violates FL law as the company will be denying/altering goods and/or services to someone because of his/her medical status. I don’t think it matters where the violation takes place as the cruise originated out of Florida. RCI is gonna get spanked with fines...Attempting to thwart the law with these tactics isn’t gonna work in the end.

18 hours ago, forgotmyCCname said:

The Points Guy has an article up . Vax get a wristband. Non vax get a hole punched in sea pass . Must show upon entering restaurants, shows. Separate dining rooms for unvaxxed. No My Time dining for non vax. And so on

If RCI denies or alters any service or goods to anyone because of their medical status, I think they would be in violation of FL law even if this didn’t occur until out on the open seas. 

19 minutes ago, Mikew0805 said:

I understand, and I do not like it either since I am fully vaccinated. However, I am so desperate to be onboard, and have had no PTO in the last 16 months, I am going to sail on my July 23 Freedom, and just hope it changes some by the August cruise. 

Did you worry when you had the flu vaccine but didn’t know if others had it? I bet you didn’t. You’re vaccinated. Relax and enjoy life. Take reasonable and ordinary precautions like hand washing, etc. and stop worrying. Life is too short already..

Thanks for posting.

53 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Because the restart is not easy.  And because the cruise lines as a whole are going to remain cautious, not because of the CDC but because of the last 15 months.
 

If everyone would take note, most cruise lines planning to depart from the US have some level of vaccine requirement and those with at least 95% passenger/98% crew vaccinated have pretty much free reign under the CSO. They can sail when they want and virtually how they want.

 

Many of these lines are instituting testing and other policies they aren’t even obligated to under the CSO. Why?  Because they are not stupid or negligent. They will do what they have to and remain cautious because they need to and want to. And that means a slow and measured restart. Not acting like they’ve been shot out of a cannon.  

I agree but any going forward with a vaccine verification out of Florida are going to get spanked with monumental fines per sailing. The FL law is in force and I predict will be upheld against any legal challenge. I also predict FL will be successful in collecting those fines if any cruise line ignores the law. 

2 hours ago, coffeebean said:

The cruise industry is worth nearly $8 Billion to Florida revenue. Read about it HERE.

Less than 10% of Florida’s GDP.

Personally, I don’t think it will happen.

10 hours ago, lx200gps said:

Interesting times on this for sure. With the CDC just raising cruising from Level 4 "Do Not Cruise" to Level 3 "Do Not Cruise if You Aren't Fully Vaccinated", he'll have an even tougher time maintaining this law since a US Federal government agency says it's OK to cruise if you are vaccinated.

Does nothing to impact the new FL law.

2 hours ago, mthomp5 said:

Thanks for sharing this update!  I’m hoping our cruise on the Enchanted in December goes through. Sounds like they are requiring COVID-19 vaccine so that makes me feel better.  Wonder how they’ll be able to require this for sailings out of Ft. Lauderdale.  Hope they can!

They can sail out of Florida but the cruise line will be fined $5,000 per pax verification violation. That adds up pretty quickly with a ship full of thousands of people.

4 hours ago, Tree_skier said:

They won't and that is their intention.  Most of these sailing will sail 95% vac'd 

I understood that. My point is why would vaccinated guests pay for it. Seems like it’s going to be one big cluster....

Just now, Kaitlyntk said:

What are you thoughts about how the protocols will affect vaccinated parents with children too young for the vaccine? My husband and I are fully vaccinated, but our ten year old can’t get the vaccine yet. Will we have to sit with the unvaccinated population throughout the cruise? That’s a scary thought. 

Thought of this myself. It’s unclear from RCI’s statement whether they would be considered unvaccinated when it comes to dining, shows, etc.