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    Carnival Orders 4 New Ships

    in Carnival Cruise Lines

    Posted · Edited by London-Calling

    ...but I don't think there is a real market for a megaship with all of the passengers, but none of the activities.

     

    Yes!

     

    Arison said a few years back that to be a major cruise line you need a 'gimmick'. Carnival's is the 'fun ship'.

     

    The whole point of a mega-ship is that it MUST have facilities that you cannot find on a small to mid sized ship. They are never going to win on friendliness and intimacy.

     

    RCI have packed Quantum/Anthem with dining rooms and bars, very like NCL's big new ships. Cleverly many of the 'gimmicks' are on deck such as I-Fly (freefall simulator), North Star (observation pod) and the Seapelx with it's bumper cars. This saves internal space for revenue generation and cabins.

     

    In fairness, we know nothing about Carnival's new mega ships and what facilities that they might have.

     

    I bet they no longer have one big main dining room!

    Carnival Orders 4 New Ships

    in Carnival Cruise Lines

    Posted · Edited by London-Calling

    It I don't think people really want the megaship crowds without all of the extra megaship activities.

     

    Yes, the facilities (gimmicks?) like bumper cars and ice Rinks etc. do help sell these giants.

     

    As you say, Carnival tend avoid them, which give RCI and NCL the advantaged in my opinion.

     

    The biggest passenger capacity afloat is NOT a good selling point!

     

    LNG is also not likely to be inspiring enough in itself, to persuade Joe public to book.

     

    However, maybe carnival do have some gimmicks up their sleeves?

    Carnival Orders 4 New Ships

    in Carnival Cruise Lines

    Posted · Edited by London-Calling

    Not sure of nothing but if the ship has more passengers than oasis and has a lower tonnage doesnt that translate into crowded?

     

    Yes, no doubt!

     

    Gross tonnage is a measurement of internal space (volume) not weight. Oasis is around 225,000gt and the Carnival newbuild 180,000gt. Carnival's ship is 45,000gt smaller, yet will carry more passengers.

     

    Some of the spaces on regular ships, such as Spas/gyms and Casino's which are not used by all passengers actually generate a small fortune in revenue so are unlikely to be axed. Retail spaces often take up a lot of space for the same reason.

     

    If you take away the kids spaces the ship becomes less to families, another big source of income.

     

    The idea of a mega-ship is that they offer MORE facilities, not less. I don't want to see my cabin and all the public rooms shrink and get more crowded.

     

    I think it was just media-speak when Carnival said: “making much more efficient use of the ship’s spaces”. They decide that if they are going to spend a fortune on 4x 180,000gt ships, they are going to fit as many people on-board as possible and generate the maximum amount of revenue possible - disregarding passenger comfort!

     

    I may be wrong?

    Carnival Orders 4 New Ships

    in Carnival Cruise Lines

    Posted

    I also believe they will not be true LNG fueled ships, but will be "dual fuel", where the engine is capable of burning both gaseous and liquid fuel at the same time.

     

    That's an interesting idea.

     

    The idea of a totally LNG powered cruise ship which is the second biggest class of ship in the world, seems a little overambitious.

    Carnival Orders 4 New Ships

    in Carnival Cruise Lines

    Posted

    I just read that LN Gas takes up more space than traditional maritime fuel.

     

    I wonder how Carnival plan to fit all of those souls on-board as well?

     

    Carnival have already said “making much more efficient use of the ship’s spaces”.

     

    I bet the tanks will be on deck or external somehow, like on-board the ferry 'Viking Grace'.

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