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    New Ship 2020

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted · Edited by London-Calling

    I've never experienced anyone who moaned about an incomplete prom deck...

     

    I can assure you Kevin, that there are plenty of us!

     

    A proper 'wrap-around' prom is a nautical tradition that we like to preserve, along with a nice 'fan-tail' (stepped stern arrangement).

    New Ship 2020

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted

    What is THAT? I saw another rendering from Costa and I cannot understand that water slides would be put on a P&O ship.

     

    The slide-show seems to show water slides on the Costa version but the Dome on the P&O model.

     

    See: https://youtu.be/ZpKGgKOgXn8

     

    All that glass! What if it smashes in bad seas?

     

    Many modern ships have lots of glass, sometimes including glass balcony doors facing the bow! These ships are designed for fair weather. This is why the QM2 has hull-hole balconies and higher lifeboats.

     

    What exactly does "innovative use of space" mean.

     

    I suppose The Dome is an example of a multipurpose space: part pool, part solarium, part entertainment space.

     

    AIDA ships have seta in their atrium and a stage for performances.

     

    I think we can expect compact cabins and small balconies, unless you pay top-dollar (pound!)

    NCL building 6 new ships?!

    in Norwegian Cruise Line

    Posted

    I can't imagine ever being interested in the "old people" cruise lines, but I could see myself taking NCL cruises for a long time.

     

    When you are an 'old person' you will almost certainly require a different product to what NCL offers now.

     

    Big ships with a 'party' atmosphere, aimed at families, may no longer have the same appeal for you.

    NCL building 6 new ships?!

    in Norwegian Cruise Line

    Posted

    I don't see anything premium about NCL..

     

    O.k. we are on the same page! I'm not knocking NCL, but they are NOT anywhere near being premium.

     

     

    Although these new builds are slightly smaller, I don't expect to see any increases in the staff:pax ratio or any higher space ratios.

     

    Are they confirmed yet? I'm surprised if NCL go smaller, when everybody else is going bigger!

    NCL building 6 new ships?!

    in Norwegian Cruise Line

    Posted · Edited by London-Calling

    The major cruise lines nearly always build new ships bigger than the class before.

     

    130,000 gt is smaller than 'Epic', 'Breakaway' and 'Breakaway Plus'. Therefor it sounds very unlikely to me.

     

    If NCL have ordered new ships, I think we can expect them to be nearer 200,000gt.

    Arcadia v Cunard

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted

    Yes, Arcadia, Queen Vic and Lizzy are essentially the same ship with different livery, different internal décor and some minor internal changes.

     

    However P&O are mass-market (standard) but Cunard are premium. You may pay a little more (?) but the overall experience should be better.

    New Ship 2020

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted

    We should not get too hung up on the maths. Ratios cannot tell the whole story of how a ship feels and operates.

     

    We also never know how many people will be on our cruise. It would be very rare to sell all berths, for example.

     

    It is a fact that luxury ships offer more space and higher fares than mass-market ships. That's what you pay for.

     

    My concerns is P&O fares are rarely cheap, but the new ship will be pretty dense, if they regularly sell the many of their third and fourth berths.

    New Ship 2020

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted

    No ships will now be built as a one off, far too expensive. Which is why I cannot see any small to medium ships for P&O in the near future.

     

    RCI, NCL and MSC manage it, but Carnival share designs across brands.

     

    P&O could be given medium sized ships, Carnival brands like Seabourn get them, but P&O are not a 'luxury' brand so big ships will be more profitable for them.

    Have Carnival Gone To Far?

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted

    Well put, forgot about that, it probably includes the amphitheatre at the back too.

     

    Gross-tonnage is a measurement of volume (internal space) so outside areas like the boardwalk/Aqua-Theatre do not count neither does Central Park.

     

    However if you put a roof on Central Park Oasis's (making it an internal space) her gross tonnage would increase.

     

    The point is that this 'wasted' space are some of the most innovative spaces on Oasis etc. and give the feeling of spaciousness, even if you can't actually use the space like a tall atrium.

     

    In my opinion the most attractive rooms at sea are generally double or triple height.

     

    NCL don't waste too much space on their ships with low (two deck) atriums and mostly single height public-rooms with many low ceilings. Some NCL ships also have narrow cabins and small balconies. This may be a very efficient use of space but it does not create such spacious feel for the passengers.

     

    Some NCL ships also have narrow cabins and small balconies.

    Have Carnival Gone To Far?

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted · Edited by London-Calling
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    The passenger to space ratio on Ventura and Azura surprises me. We went in the full swing of the summer holidays on a full ship and it never felt "full" and we weren't in the serenity areas. Dan

     

    Hi Dan, it is difficult to know how full a ship really is.

     

    You will be aware that many cabins have 3rd and 4th berths. Theses are rarely all sold, as they often sell a couple with one child a quad cabin. Some four berths may be occupied by a two people.

     

    The ship will often have a sign at reception saying the "The ship is full" to prevent people wanting to upgrade cabins because they don't like what they have purchased.

     

    I do agree with peteukmcr that maths does not tell the whole story. I also agree Oasis feels very spacious.

     

    I still find it hard to imaging that Carnival's new 180,000 ships will feel as spacious as Oasis. The renderings make the ship look pretty traditional, no boardwalks or Parks etc.

     

     

    Only time will tell.

    Have Carnival Gone To Far?

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted

    So in 2020 P&O will get a new ship.

     

    The new ship will be 180,000 gross tonnes which currently makes it the 2nd biggest ship 'class' in the world, with only RCI's 'Oasis' class being bigger.

     

    However the new ship will carry 6,600 passengers - more passengers than 'Oasis' yet will be 25% smaller.

     

    The ship will of course have original livery and décor, but the design is likely to be similar to ships that AIDA, Costa and Carnival will also be getting. She will not really be specifically designed for the British market, irrespective of what the marketing will say.

     

    The question is "Have Carnival gone too far"?

     

    Do P&O regulars really want such a big ship carrying a world record number of passengers? Is this the direction P&O should go - just another mass market line?

    (I would imagine there are many ports too small to handle such a big ship).:(

    New Ship 2020

    in P&O Cruises ( UK )

    Posted · Edited by London-Calling

    Let's hope that P&O will be like Saga, who asked regular passengers for input before designing their new build... a proper promenade being one accepted item.

     

    The ship which Carnival will be giving P&O will be the same design as ones for Costa, AIDA and Carnival. Although they will have different liveries, different internal décor, and maybe some minor internal differences - it's a one 'size fits all' approach.

     

    For example, I believe what German AIDA passengers like (lots of buffets, informal atmosphere, no dedicated theatre) is quite different to what P&O regulars may like.

     

    The renderings suggest that there is a promenade deck for passengers and one for the lifeboats (below). The passenger prom does not appear to wrap round the bow of the ship. It's appears to stop-short.

     

    Buy the way the new ship will hols the record for the most number of passengers. It will carry more passengers than RCI's 'Oasis' but is 25% smaller!

     

    The images below are what the ship will look like in the Costa livery:

     

     

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