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I'm very pessimistic about the future of both Infinity and Constellation. 

With 4 edge class ships due it was always my view that the ultimately some, if not all, the Millennium class were on bowered time

Even with this swop out there would be a substantial increase in the number of available berths.

With the impact of the pandemic and the expected slower return to full capacity I'm still of a view that all 4 are likely to go over the next few years.

Currently we have taken delivery of 2 new Edge class. So this logic would assume that 2 Millennium class could be disposed of. The fact that 2 have yet to be refurbished and that Infinity only got a VERY basic drydock. Puts Infinity and Constellation at risk and I'm sure RCG will be looking for any disposal opportunity.

Unless things pick up substantially I would expect Summit and Millennium to go when the other Edge ships are delivered. 

I do not say this with any pleasure as the M class is by far my favourite. Time will tell

out and 2 M

That’s the $1000 questions as it will also result in the Americans getting into the uk

that said domestic Uk citizens only cruises are starting from mid May.  International guests and destinations from mid June. 
 

lot of speculation but US should be on the green list.  Time will tell

Edge appears to have sailed for Barbados?

2 minutes ago, downsmead said:

Where are you seeing this please?

www.olp.gr/cruise-greece/cruise-programme

And then bring up the latest PDF of cruise ship visits. It was uploaded today. Not easy to follow as it's in Greek but I'm sure you will work it out

Athens every Saturday from 19th of June!!

My view is Europe 21 is gone with one possible exception.   Infinity is in the med and most of her summer cruises are 7 days round trip Italy 

Unfortunately Italy is going back into lockdown but we all know how things can change very quickly 

To bring another ship over empty makes no sense but to adapt and change infinity might just work.  
 

time will tell

Unless I’ve missed something Millenium’s Alaska season is still “on hold” as celebrity is discussing options with Canada!

Also LLP talks in her letter about other ships starting later

My point is it’s time they were more honest with cancellation plans

30 minutes ago, cruisestitch said:

What is Pullmantur blue compared to what they are doing?  

Just needs a couple of light blue waves adding and it’s done!!

could be the real story

22 minutes ago, Texed said:

We just received an email that all cruises on Celebrity are cancelled through May 31st.

I Assume this is because you have a cruise which is now cancelled. Do you mind telling us what options you have been given. Do you still have the option to lift and shift?

Just confirmed by the UK government that UK only cruises will be permitted from mid May. P and O + Princess already rearranging cruises

Will Celebrity follow?

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24520-domestic-cruises-are-coming-home-to-england.html

Just had a look at the celebrity site to check availability and noticed that ALL MAY 2021 sailings have been removed

Looks like further cancelations on the way

Looks like pullmantur blue to me!!!

52 minutes ago, paulh84 said:

 

They definitely did some paint, just not the full blue. The paint was looking pretty rough. 

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1366159301845389317

 

 

 

 

This is very interesting. Clearly most of the ships needed their registration inspection dry docks so doing them prior to returning to normal service makes a lot of sense.

This type of basic drydock almost requires the painting of the hull in order to inspect and improve fuel economy (removal of barnacles, repairs and touch ups) but there is a massive difference in cost if you want to change the colour as a change requires a number of finishing coats.

So Celebrity have taken the cheap option on infinity but not on the "S" class and one which does not fit with the rest of the fleet.

Looks like they expect to get rid soon!!

8 minutes ago, jelayne said:

Just saw on  that Azamara has extended the Suspension of Sailing through June 30?

Wonder when. Celebrity will make a announcement.?

Very soon I expect. 

Interesting that Azamara are offering lift and shift on cancelled cruises. That would be a very welcome addition to the celebrity offer.

Although Azamara is now sold it might start to deviate from the standard RCL line

11 minutes ago, sandancer said:

We were booked on the Reflection transatlantic in April which (of course) has been cancelled. Unless Celebrity send her over without passengers I can’t see your cruise going ahead in July. 

Sorry to say I can't see any Europe cruises this year. With Constellation and Edge already pulled I expect the others to follow soon. With the possible exception of Infinity

Unfortunately, for Celebrity, the vast majority of passengers are from North America. I just can't see the travel issues been addressed in time to make the cruises viable. Furthermore the vast majority of Europe cruises are 10/14 days giving virus control issues.

I pulled infinity as a POSSIBLE exception because it's already in Europe and is planned to do mainly 7 day cruises.

As ever... Fingers crossed

Looks like edge moved to Caribbean! 

24 minutes ago, laslomas said:

Another thread completely taken over by facts and figures on vaccines. 

 

Back to the original question, Yes. Celebrity could follow a similar start up idea. Maybe not in May, but plans could be made for later in the year. No vaccine - no cruise. This could be problematic for their new desired customer who may not have reached the age to be vaccinated. But later in the year, who knows? At least a start could be made to getting the industry up and running in a small way. And keep the dream alive. 

Spot on 

I was OP with a simple question.  Nothing to do with if the vaccine works, if you will take it or if you will ever cruise again

So my view is YES ......get ready to have the jab or not as is everyone’s prerogative 

All 4 cabins are larger then the normal Sky suite on infinity.

6125/6126 are the largest. Big balcony (covered) and a separate shower as well as a bath (the only sky suites with this. The main downside it there is only a glass door out to the balcony so the rooms can be dark. This is also a connected room to the penthouse so the décor is a little different and you run the risk of noise from next door.

6131/6132 large balcony but not covered. I like this room because of the full glass patio type doors particularly on a scenic route. The room itself is slightly bigger then a normal sky but you will not notice! Show over bath only.

Personally I would grab any of there 4 rooms as they go fast. But for this route I would take 6131 or 6132 for the extra light and views 

Hope this helps

Just now, TeeRick said:

Understand your question of course but what a small cruise line like Saga decides to do really has no impact on what a very large cruise line will do.  Or what the mass market cruise lines will be allowed to do to resume operations.  

Fair point and they focus on over 50's only so clearly have concerns about their business model.

Saga is a well established but small (2Ships) line and although their decision will not impact directly on the big 3 it does make it easier for them to make the same move IF they were already considering it.

At the moment this is only Saga who have a minimum age of 50. They have also adjusted their planned restart to May. So for the UK everyone will, hopefully, have had the opportunity to get vaccinated.

Time will tell how the other cruise lines react

This is the first I have come across with a cruise line. The BBC are reporting that Sage (a British cruise line aimed at the over 50's) will require ALL passengers to have FULL vaccination cove in order to sail when they restart.

Will Celebrity do the same?

Personally I think it's the only solution but appreciate others will disagree

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55738918

Just got this which is very interesting if you have a great rate

2 minutes ago, almostnewtocruise said:

Reflection to Israel seems to be still on.. So is Apex and Infinity from Barcelona,

Perhaps a major cut back in Europe.  We know that Celebrities customer base is mainly US and that a high percentage of people will be reluctant to fly long haul for some time. Could make some sense to concentrate ships in US waters.

Best hope is for some new, more imaginative, US cruises. But I fear it will be more of the safe and steady Caribbean!!

I think the whole of Constellation Summer 2022 in in the process of been taken down!!   You have to go a little further but try booking a room!!

I'm booked on 4th October 21 and have just checked out 3rd Oct 22 to look at options. The site says the 2022 cruise is sold out   YES SURE!!!

1 minute ago, gerelmx said:

Will 2021 Europe season cancelled?

It's starting to look like it. Edge disappearing is a surprize but in this craze world we find ourselves in ... anything can happen